Pacer Report

[Indy]

ah man i missed an indy visit

what happened to the other pacer fans or was indy the only pacer fan here?

anyway- Minny wouldn't trade for JO and Tinsley exactly for the reasons you resent those them

I think my Pacerfanness just made it seem like there were more then one, but I think I was the only one, except for LouisvilleLip and FraN, and neither of them posted too much.

After seeing Tins back in the lineup for the last 4 or 5 games, whatever it has been, its hard for me to stick with what I said before in this thread. Tinsley is a wizard with the ball, and he is continuing to return to form, which is fantastic. I hope he's healthy enough for a long playoff run.

I want to adress Sarunas Jasikevicius for a second. With Jamaal healthy again, and Fred coming back healthy for the Orlando game a few days ago, Rick showed how important Sarunas is to the team with a full lineup: on the bench all game with a DNP-CD next to his name in the box score. Then, fast forward to yesterdays game against Denver, Sarunas comes in for the final 2.2 seconds of the game, only to draw a defender away, he obviously wasn't going to take the possible game winner after sitting on the bench for 47 minutes and 57.8 seconds of game time. So for Sarunas, his role has been diminished greatly from earlier in the season, and even though I have nothing but love for Sarunas, it is completely justified. Sarunas is a great shooter, but his shot has really gone south, especially since the all star break. Earlier in the year it looked like he KNEW every shot he took was going to fall. Now, it seems like he's letting it go and really badly hoping it goes down. Add on to that the bad defense and you just cannot get minutes in this league. In order to keep your minutes during a shooting slump, you have to do other things well, and he has disappointed me in his leadership abilities, and his defense is horrid, so, Sarunas, I'd like you to meet the pine. AJ and Jamaal have this position locked up for now.

[Indy]

I wouldn't compare Shaq to Harrison, either.

Yeah, you're right, Shaq isn't nowhere near the player David is.

The temper tantrum Pollard threw is a nice story to hear Are there any other stories or tidbits you've heard, Indy? NBA soap operas are always nice to read about.

Well, I don't know if you guys heard about this, but Steve Francis went back to Orlando before a game and told the Kincks it was a family emergency, but actually he just wanted to pick up clothes, he almost missed the game to pick up some clothes he didn't even need.

It doesn't suprise me Peja's doing good with Indy. He did his best with Sacto when he was the focal point of the offense. Yeah, they got rid of Webber, but they brought in all these other scorers and the offense changed. He does his best in run and gun offenses, which is why I'd love to see him sign with the Suns. From his comments in the past, I think he'll sign with the Bulls though.

Pollard has a budy in the team and Peja now and visa versa, so I'm not suprised he's playing better now.

Actually Peja played his best ball when CWebb was the focal point, once he became the focal point Sacramento struggled. He's not a number 1 type guy, he's a GREAT number two though, and I'm excited to see the new offense in action with him and Jermaine.

Phoenix, Chicago, whatever, I think he's re-sign with us to be honest.

Bynum is a teriffic prospect. He's not gonna be Shaq-like, simply because he was an athletic freak while AB's athleticism is just decent. His game is not based on powe but on finesse. Kareem's touch is obvious here and it shows that this kid is willing to learn and has all the tools to succeed. Has anyone seen the length of his arms (reportedly 7'7'' wingspan)? If he continues to work on his game and body, 20/10/3 isn't out of the question.

And Harrison becoming 18/8 player? I hope you're joking. He's 5 years older than Bynum, has no heart and reportedly were poor work ethic. You could be glad if he gives you 12/7 every night (which is great).

Yeah, you're absolutley correct about Bynum, but I do not understand where people get this bullshit about David. No heart? Poor work ethic? I know that was his reputation in college, I'm not saying you're just making it up, but its completely untrue. David gets a lot of technicals because he has a ton of heart. I've seen this guy go nuts after wins and throw his body on the floor in disgust and throw a fit after losses. This guy has been working on his freethrows tirelessly throughout the season, and lately you can see the improvement. He has been working with JO a lot on his post game, and it shows, I said 15 and 8 before, and I'm sticking to that. He is showing some major consistency in his ability to play well, and he has won a couple games for us that we certainly would have lost without him.

Good to see you back Indy, but...

Danny Granger:
Say hello to the future of the Indiana Pacers. Many will probably disagree, and maybe its only because I watch him play every night, but other then Chris Paul, I would take Danny Granger over any rookie in the league right now. He has a complete game all around. He can score, rebound, shut people down, and in 3 years he'll be an all star, mark my words.

Didn't you make a similar post about Ike Diogu not long ago, basically adopting him as your long lost brother and declaring him the next Elton Brand? You seem to just copy/paste things about your favourite rookies lol... as far as the all star thing goes, interesting call. I won't rule it out.

What? I'm not allowed to have more then one rookie that I think highly of? Danny Granger is fantastic improving more and more every day. When I think of the possibility of a front court of Danny/JO/Harrison I just cream my pants. Its going to be amazing.

Indy! How did you leave me out of your goodbye thread?

Who are you again? Just kidding ceekay, I don't know how I left you out, I have no answer.

[Indy]

I'm going to bump this thread, and try to keep it going as a Pacers thread. I'm just going to copy and paste my game analysis from last nights sixers win from Pacers digest.

I'm not nearly as down on Quis as some of you guys are. He took a couple 3s that were way off, but they were all wide open. I agree that isn't his shot, but I can't blame him too much for taking them. I thought his defense was good, and he's just simply a fantastic finisher at the basket. I feel like we'll probably get similar stats to what he had in Dallas but I don't have a problem with that because of all the depth we have. I have the utmost confidence in Quis and I like seeing him come in to the game.

I agree with Unclebuck that I don't know if Granger should start. I kind of want to see Foster start, but I like him and Granger on the floor together A LOT, and I just like Foster off the bench in general. However true it may be that we may need a lineup change down the road somewhere, as of right now we should just stick with it and abide by the general rule of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaking of Jeff, it seems that every offseason we sort of forget about him and throw him in to our trade ideas and such, but I'm glad TPTB are smarter then we are, because Jeff is so important to our club. He brings so much energy and hustle to the floor which is why I love him coming off the bench. I feel like we're a team that because of the strength of our bench and the contrast it brings to our starters, that getting off to a fast start is going to be important to us this year. If we are playing a good team and we get an early lead, that bench will be able to hold it.

Tinsley was great tonight, I like when Tinsley sort of disappears a little bit when he's out there but you still feel like the team is playing well because that means that Jamaal is just running the offense and playing his part. He did that very well tonight, and he ran the break fantastically. He's very good at 3-2 breaks. There was one play where he was one on one but he had Jeff and Marquis as trailers. He jumped up, put the ball behind his back and hit Jeff streaking to the basket, and if Jeff had only thought for a second before going full steam ahead he would have had an easy dumpoff to Marquis for a layup there, but he got called for a charge instead. I think that was our only failed fastbreak of the day.

Rawle, Rawle, Rawle. I have nothing more to say on that subject.

Jermaine, Al, Jack and Danny played exactly how I want them too.

Speaking of Danny, I'm not really so sure I want him to be a guy who averages 16-18 points a game this year. I think he's a guy that is better when he can play solid defense, get garbage buckets and let the game come to him. Then when he creates a shot for himself a couple plays in a row, and knocks down some midrange shots, teams will have a serious problem figuring out who to guard.

I want to talk about one more thing, if anybody is still reading (or was even reading in the first place) and that's about the problem that we all agreed was one at the beginning of the year, outside shooting. We have been knocking down enough threes to keep the defense honest, but that's not even the development I noticed in this game yesterday that sold me that we'll be ok in that department. We were all afraid of getting zoned to death, but we have a lot of guys that are very good at breaking the zone. Jermaine got in to the middle of that zone almost every time and made a great pass or shot every time. I was so impressed with his basketball IQ yesterday on how to beat a zone.

Speaking of Jermaine, there is something different about him this year, and its a good thing. He's extremely mature, and confident on the floor this season. He looks fantastic, he did a lot of work this offseason. Even his run back on defense looks better and more gracefull. I think that's a good word to describe the change in Jermaine so far this season, gracefull. If Jermaine can keep this up, and the rest of guys follow suit, we're going to be a hell of a lot better then we have been the last few years.

Oh, and what happened to Jermaine is that he went up for a shot and came down on Chris Webber's foot. He seemed to realize that was about to happen and was able to cushion his fall. He also fell very well, and did a great job avoiding an injury there. That's exactly what happened to Steve Francis against San Antonio the other day, and I think he's expected to miss time.

[ThaLiveKing]

Watch when the Pacers start to click, we will be dangerous. Orien Greene should be back just now to provide some instant offense at the guard spot!!

[Indy]

Watch when the Pacers start to click, we will be dangerous. Orien Greene should be back just now to provide some instant offense at the guard spot!!

When Orien comes back he will provide instant defense from the point guard spot, I'm not looking for much offense out of him.

[Its_asdf]

Indy, what's up with Shawne Williams? He was one of my favourites coming out of the draft, but he hasn't seen any playing time. I guess he's either injured or he just hasn't been able to beat the depth at the SF/SG position.

[Indy]

Indy, what's up with Shawne Williams? He was one of my favourites coming out of the draft, but he hasn't seen any playing time. I guess he's either injured or he just hasn't been able to beat the depth at the SF/SG position.

I could have told you the second he got drafted that he wasn't going to play. He's simply not ready for the NBA yet, but I'm not someone who is in favor of sending players to the D-League, I really don't think that would help him. Right now he needs to get used to being on an NBA team, the travel, the practices, then next year maybe he'll get about 5-10 minutes a game. I think the 08-09 season is the year you may see him getting 20+ minutes a game, he does factor in to our long run plans, but he isn't going to be a starter as long as Al and Danny are here, and they are both going to be here for a long, long time I think.

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I think he was injured throughout most of the summer league and only played the final games. He's probably still hurt a bit and since the Pacers don't exactly need him at the moment he hasn't played

[ThaLiveKing]

How we get blown out by the Celtics?? What the Fuck??

Jermaine O'neil needs to start dominating the ball again, I'm tired of this 8 points. 9 points bullshit. . .I want teams to be afraid of him and scared for him to touch the ball!!

[BigKaboom2]

Celtics! Once Kendrick Perkins swatted an O'Neal turnaround jumper in the second quarter, I knew it was over. Rondo sprang for 7 asst, and Perk for 12, 8, and 4 blocks. Just let us have this win...I would be weeping if we were 1-7 right now.....*shudder*.

[Indy]

Jermaine had a heated argument with Rick Carlisle and Larry Bird after the game. I don't know what was said, but I was told that Jermaine was NOT saying he wanted more touches, which had damn well better be correct. Jermaine is playing the right way, within the flow of the offense. He's doing everything correct. What we need right now is for the team to be consistent on both ends. When we play well defensively we shut teams down. When we play well on the offensive side we are literally unstoppable. But we haven't been able to put it all together for 48 minutes yet this season. I think and hope that will come.

It's official that Sarunas has no business playing in the NBA. I want to see Orien Greene get his minutes starting on Friday. Sarunas must be benched.

Oh and a little heads up to the other Pacers fans who read this, there could be a lineup change soon, as early as Friday against New Jersey. Rick doesn't feel that there is anyone who does the dirty work on the boards in the starting lineup. He is considering starting Foster and bringing Danny off the bench again.

[ThaLiveKing]

That's what I just read on Pacers.com. They better change that lineup . . that shit ain't workin!!

I don't understand the Sarunas thing. . can you expand on that? I didn't/couldn't watch the game so maybe I'm missin something

[theflash02]

I think TINSLEY should be traded for RAFER ALSTON or some PG who can both score at times when needed and pass the ball everytime someons open..

[Indy]

I think TINSLEY should be traded for RAFER ALSTON or some PG who can both score at times when needed and pass the ball everytime someons open..

What a smart guy you are.

Anyways, Jack is going to continue coming off the bench, and he's completely for that, he clearly puts winning in front of himself, and anyone who bashes Jack for one thing or another has to give him a shitload of credit for this.