NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

[Onisak]

I have no problem with steals whatsoewer... All realistic numbers at my end, around 9-12 steals per game... Also 3 point shots are quite realistic when checking how many does CPU take. It is ussually 19-23 3pt shots... Maybe it just all really depends on gamestyle...

[EccentricMeat]

What im trying to say, are u sure that player after intense 9min of running should have -15% of his stamina?

At least, yes. If you sit that player down with 3 minutes left in the quarter they will be at 100% by the start of the next. If you keep him in the whole quarter you might have to sit him for a few minutes in the next quarter in order to get back to 100%.

[EccentricMeat]

I have no problem with steals whatsoewer... All realistic numbers at my end, around 9-12 steals per game... Also 3 point shots are quite realistic when checking how many does CPU take. It is ussually 19-23 3pt shots... Maybe it just all really depends on gamestyle...

These are what I'm seeing as well. I'm surprised we're getting such different results from some of the others. I'm honestly not sure what is causing such a differential

[levynagy]

Wait a minute u think when player got 85 he is ready to sit down? i read it right now. U play asso with progress fatigue? so u must sit down players just after the whistle. First, look at the minutes they should play. In the league often players plays 40minutes/game whole season, and u think they got 85 all the time, no they dont, that why NBA is very intensive league, thats why there is so many injuries, thats why players looks like robots. Please do not talk with me like im arcade players, im far away from that.

I've been playing video games since 1994 and I have nothing against you. You may be a Sim player but the type of game you are talking about is NOT a Sim game in terms of video gaming; usually those settings you mentioned went well with the arcade type of game. One more thing: we can't compare the game with the odd reality! We are trying to simulate it though. I still don't understand how in real life some players stay on the court for 34-40 minutes...

I was referring to the way I play 2K13 - and it seems EccentricMeat plays it the same as me. Yes, I play with progressive fatigue and I substitute my starters after 6-7-8 minutes in each quarter. I actually beat better opponents by using my bench players a lot (and thank goodness, PHX always had awesome bench players, many 3 point shooters!). The conclusion I am very happy with these sliders, and I still don't think starters should play 90% of the total time in a game nor get tired for only 78 or 85 individual values.

[Onisak]

Oh and also definetley not to easy for me, Warriors just beat me 122-93 (me with Suns) .

[skoadam]

What im trying to say, are u sure that player after intense 9min of running should have -15% of his stamina?

At least, yes. If you sit that player down with 3 minutes left in the quarter they will be at 100% by the start of the next. If you keep him in the whole quarter you might have to sit him for a few minutes in the next quarter in order to get back to 100%.

true and agree, but at the third or fourth quarter he should'nt be back to 100%

[levynagy]

Oh and also definetley not to easy for me, Warriors just beat me 122-93 (me with Suns) .

Relax Onisak, I also lost to GSW because of their 3PT shooting force. I tried to double team inside with Goran or played tight defense outside but someone else lost his man outside and 3s were pouring in.

[EccentricMeat]

What im trying to say, are u sure that player after intense 9min of running should have -15% of his stamina?

At least, yes. If you sit that player down with 3 minutes left in the quarter they will be at 100% by the start of the next. If you keep him in the whole quarter you might have to sit him for a few minutes in the next quarter in order to get back to 100%.

true and agree, but at the third or fourth quarter he should'nt be back to 100%

Agreed, but I don't think I can edit the "fatigue refresh rate", can I? If I increase fatigue rate, they will just decrease their stamina faster (which is not realistic), but they will still recover at the same rate. If I decrease Stamina, everyone will just have a lower max stamina, which is also completely unrealistic IMO.

[skoadam]

ok so it looks like this, first game, MIA(me) vs IND(cpu)



and second game MIA(cpu) vs WAS(me)



word about second game
it was much better, why? because i use Washington. Using good teams make game way to easy, using poor teams make game so realistic. It was one of the best match in my 2k13 history. Lot of fight, great defense, intensive, my hands are dry after first quarter, so u can only imagine 4th quarter. I got injuried Crawford and before match i DNP Price so i must use Wall through 44min! LOL. He died in 4th quarter but still score 10points. Miami lead already with 17points but im back.
What good:
-again fg%
-good rebound numbers
-good 3PTA
-again good points in the paint balance
whats bad:
-low cpu fastbreak points
-low fouls numbers
-to easy in the paint, easy to drive in, or pass under the basket
-it could be only on this game but 100% from FT
-to high dunk ability slider, i know that nowadays point guard are athlets but in game, even one on one with basket they finish with layups, two dunks a'la Lebron/Durant in traffic with Wall.


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[EccentricMeat]

For more fouls, increase USER Shooting Fouls to 100 (makes the USER get called for more fouls, so the CPU shoots more free throws). If it's too easy to drive in, increase CPU On Ball Defense to 50 or above (until you find the level of difficulty you're looking for). To make it harder to pass under the basket, increase CPU "Play Passing Lanes" by a few clicks. And for dunks, simply lower USER Dunk in Traffic Frequency a few clicks (I'm going to set it to 35, most likely).

As for the fastbreak, that's an issue with the Coach Profiles. I had a nice scale on my console pre-patch sliders on OS for the Coaching Profile's "Fastbreak" slider that gave great results.

[skoadam]

and last test match, two equal top team, me(OKC) vs cpu(MIA)

[skoadam]

game was ok, but high score is non realistic, other things stay the same.
for me it looks like this. We cant get good accurate sliders for all type of matches. Poor vs top(cpu), top vs top, top vs poor(cpu). In my research of sliders i get to the same point. It looks like we should use two different sliders for different oponents.
btw. in last game MIA try to alley about 20times(three half court), i know its MIA but...

[Mr Tr0llz]

Ok Eccentric

This is game 1 of my association with your full sliders and URB roster.

I must admit this game was a lot better here is the stats.

[EccentricMeat]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how two of the best teams playing each other and getting a score of 115-114 is an "unrealistic" high score? There are a TON of games in the NBA with scores like that. Some teams AVERAGE close to 110 points per game. Not every game is going to be below 100, that's just the way of today's NBA.

And if you want lower scores, you need to not go to the paint so often. If that means increasing the CPU on-ball defense so that you can't get past the defender so often then do so. I encourage everyone to make any necessary tweaks in order to fit their skill-level and play-style!

EDIT: This was directed at skoadam

[bigh0rt]

It looks, based on a lot of the screens here, that the On-Ball D should be jacked up to stop all the paint scoring (although a lot of the issues is with the actual Users just pounding the paint and then complaining about a lack of realism )

Also, just as a matter of preference, I always jack 'Attempt Put Back Dunks' at 100 and never get more than 1, maybe 2 per game.

I'm gonna give these a second try, I think, and make some small tweaks to suit my needs. I want to say I remember way too many Steals during my first go with them. May just turn all your 52 Steal stuff to 50, maybe 45, and see how it goes. I think that Play Passing Lanes is waaayyyy too high. I've played Sliders with them at like 15 that are fantastic, so 90 seems crazy to me, and probably explains all the Steals I was experiencing.

[EccentricMeat]

It looks, based on a lot of the screens here, that the On-Ball D should be jacked up to stop all the paint scoring (although a lot of the issues is with the actual Users just pounding the paint and then complaining about a lack of realism )

Also, just as a matter of preference, I always jack 'Attempt Put Back Dunks' at 100 and never get more than 1, maybe 2 per game.

I'm gonna give these a second try, I think, and make some small tweaks to suit my needs. I want to say I remember way too many Steals during my first go with them. May just turn all your 52 Steal stuff to 50, maybe 45, and see how it goes. I think that Play Passing Lanes is waaayyyy too high. I've played Sliders with them at like 15 that are fantastic, so 90 seems crazy to me, and probably explains all the Steals I was experiencing.

The 90 is for the USER, so that the user's AI teammates will try to deflect passes (which they don't do enough of at default, they just ignore the ball). If you lower the CPU's Play Passing Lanes (it's only at 50), you will be able to abuse the pick 'n roll all day and the CPU will rarely (if ever) try to deflect passes.

Also, to everyone providing feedback: please play MULTIPLE GAMES before labeling something as an issue with sliders. Games SHOULD vary, so one game may be close, the next game may be a blowout. One good team might blow out another good team, or a bad team might just come up with a sneaky win over a good team. One game may have very few 3PT attempts, the next might have too many. Not everything plays out like it should on paper in real life, so why would you want it to be that way in the game? The "realistic" stats you're aiming to achieve are AVERAGES, and they are made IN REAL LIFE by teams having one good game, then one bad game, then one average game, etc. Stats are hardly ever uniform and consistent, and the same should hold true in-game. I don't want a game to play the same each and every time, to have every game end with each team within 1 or 2 scores of the other, and have all the stats end up "perfectly realistic" every time.

Just a little rant on the kind of feedback I'm looking for. I don't want someone to play one game, get out rebounded, and then come in and say "Oh, the rebounding is broken with these sliders".

[Onisak]

I just don't get how do some of you say that its to easy to get in the paint... I am a veteran NBA player and I only get about 40-45 PIP per game... That is very realistic... But I played more than just one game and I look at the averages... Sometimes ofcourse some number will go past the average or belove, but hey it does in NBA just the same...

[skoadam]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how two of the best teams playing each other and getting a score of 115-114 is an "unrealistic" high score? There are a TON of games in the NBA with scores like that. Some teams AVERAGE close to 110 points per game. Not every game is going to be below 100, that's just the way of today's NBA.

And if you want lower scores, you need to not go to the paint so often. If that means increasing the CPU on-ball defense so that you can't get past the defender so often then do so. I encourage everyone to make any necessary tweaks in order to fit their skill-level and play-style!

EDIT: This was directed at skoadam

ok listen, i feel u start getting nervous about my comments, which i can understand, i know how hard to find accurate sliders, but please listen to the facts.
21 from 30 score below 100points/game
only 9 score 100+, most 106.
I play only one game with high scoring, but really believe im using my brain so i know it could be only one from 30.
Another thing, you say, u want lower scores so you need to not go to the paint so often. If opp team let me in why i should looking from mid range. Score in the paint should be around 50% of overall scoring, i get around 60-65%, but the worst thing is not this, worst thing is easy way to get there,with pass or just run/pick&roll(im not a dribbling kind guy). Maybe this makes me feel its easy to win.
I will give this sliders a try, some aspects are really accurate, some not, some need a little tweak. Hope u can help me adjust sliders for me, because i know its most invidual part of game.

I just don't get how do some of you say that its to easy to get in the paint... I am a veteran NBA player and I only get about 40-45 PIP per game... That is very realistic... But I played more than just one game and I look at the averages... Sometimes ofcourse some number will go past the average or belove, but hey it does in NBA just the same...

im 33 years old, but what this mean? i should stop playing video games, this is for sure
try to get in the paint, maybe u not trying often and you will see it is easy. Its not about how many points, its about % of overall points, u can even get 60points when overall is 120.

[lethal]

Is there a game settings for this?
I don't have time to do it manually.

[Onisak]

I think that results aro so dependant on skill and gamestyle, that we will never find a perfect sliders. But I gotta say that this set is for me the best out there, try other sliders and you will find that there are pretty much all sliders with some unrealistic stats from time to time... There are no such thing as perfect sliders for a sports game. Its a game and not reality. The point is to get as close to real life as possible, but I believe its impossible to have perfect real life stats...

[levynagy]

I think that results aro so dependant on skill and gamestyle, that we will never find a perfect sliders. But I gotta say that this set is for me the best out there, try other sliders and you will find that there are pretty much all sliders with some unrealistic stats from time to time... There are no such thing as perfect sliders for a sports game. Its a game and not reality. The point is to get as close to real life as possible, but I believe its impossible to have perfect real life stats...

Brilliantly said, I agree. Hats off to EccentricMeat to figure it out all of this for us!

[EccentricMeat]

skoadam: No, I'm not upset or nervous about your comments, I just wanted to point out the kind of feedback I'm NOT looking for. I appreciate feedback, I just HATE when people try to draw conclusions off of a handful of games. So I wanted to make sure people aren't drawing conclusions because, honestly, they're not very helpful. Keep doing what you're doing though, man!

lethal: I prefer not to upload a settings file because A) I want people to be able to use their own settings/unlocks/etc. and B) because inputting these values takes less than 2 minutes. Trust me, it doesn't take long at all.

Everyone else: Thanks for the feedback and support

[skoadam]

ok im after another game, i repeat most non realistic match i played with your sliders, MIA-IND.
and the same, when played last game i found little bug in my roster, most talented and rising star from Pacers Paul George score only 10points and almost no shooting. So i fix his tendencies and i was hoping something change whe i repeat this match.
George score 20, but i win drasticly easy, Lebron score 32points in 26minutes, dunks, drives,layups too easy, so after halftime i let play whole bench. Score 113:98 without using super trio in the second half.
So what i want to say, maybe Indiana is so poor and its not your sliders faults, can some of you veterans with 40points in the paint play one game MIA(OKC) vs IND(cpu) in your free time and make some screens. It really help me with roster and maybe Eccentric 2. I will post my later.

And to the point.
What you cannot EVER touch in your sliders is:
-rebounding(its PERFECT)
-fg%
-blocks(should be around 4-7 per game- in your i get 3max)
-3fg%
-fouls- seems to be ok, maybe a few more will be more accurate, we need 18-26 FTA per game and 17-23 fouls per game, often got 15 with yours.

What you should consider for sure:
-FT% to high, i play 4 games with different opponents and i never see 70-80%, just to remember you in NBA worst team 69%, best 83%
-steals by user, its to easy, sometimes i just standing next to my opponents and they lost ball, i got 17 steals vs IND
-passes to the crowd, i know its good to see from time to time bad pass, but here is to often and sometimes when i pass to player 3metres from me
-alleys-to much- i still dont know is it only MIA issue
-i think u can consider rising tendencies of 3PA, but just a little- its really close i think.

In games like with Indiana i get 31 assists(to much), but i score in this match like crazy so maybe assists are ok.Should be around 19-25 per game.

[lethal]

lethal: I prefer not to upload a settings file because
A) I want people to be able to use their own settings/unlocks/etc. and
B) because inputting these values takes less than 2 minutes. Trust me, it doesn't take long at all.

Everyone else: Thanks for the feedback and support

Lawl, okay dude
Just tested it and it worked amazing.
Will post a Screenshot later on

[EccentricMeat]

skoadam: I won't have access to my PC until Monday, so unfortunately I can't see if it's an Indiana-specific issue. I would recommend playing a game as Miami against the Lakers, against the Thunder, against the Spurs, and/or against the Clippers. See how any of those games play out.

lethal: Glad the sliders are working out for you! I'm guessing that you're using them with your roster and not URB v5?