Preseason Numbers (Rookies/Youngins/etc.)

[benji]

I guess this could go into the Scouting thread but I did not think it was exactly the same. If a moderator does and wants to move it, I have no problem with that.

I will take suggestions for other players, but for this run I looked at guys who will be entering their third or earlier year. The PER is not entirely accurate as I did it quickly using league values instead of team values, so if you see like 13, it could probably be more like a range of 12-14. Also nothing is pace adjusted. This is just to take a gander at how these guys did in the preseason and who to look out for during the season.

Only guys who totaled over 50 preseason minutes were included.

Atlanta Hawks

Marvin Williams
Per 40: 22.4 pts, 6.7 rebs, 1.3 asts, 0.82 stls, 0.00 blks
Shooting: 53.7% eFG, 64.0% TS
Possessions: 20.0 per 40, 10.6% turnover rate (ToV), 116.0 points per 100 poss (Ortg)
PER: 19.84

Al Horford
Per 40: 15.0 pts, 11.5 rebs, 3.2 asts, 0.83 stls, 1.67 blks
Shooting: 50.7% eFG, 55.3% TS
Poss: 17.1 per 40, 14.6% ToV, 100.0 Ortg
PER: 17.22

Shelden Williams
Per 40: 15.2 pts, 6.8 rebs, 0.0 asts, 1.61 stls, 0.65 blks
Shooting: 48.3% eFG, 56.3% TS
Poss: 17.3 per 40, 22.3% ToV, 87.4 Ortg
PER: 9.67

Acie Law
Per 40: 10.5 pts, 3.9 rebs, 5.1 asts, 1.80 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 36.8% eFG, 39.6% TS
Poss: 17.7 per 40, 15.3% ToV, 78.8 Ortg
PER: 7.45

Mario West
Per 40: 8.9 pts, 7.1 rebs, 0.0 asts, 1.33 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 63.6% eFG, 66.8% TS
Poss: 8.9 per 40, 25.1% ToV, 100.2 Ortg
PER: 8.20

Solomon Jones
Per 40: 9.8 pts, 11.1 rebs, 0.6 asts, 0.62 stls, 4.31 blks
Shooting: 54.5% eFG, 55.1% TS
Poss: 15.3 per 40, 40.2% ToV, 67.1 Ortg
PER: 6.70

Boston Celtics

Glen Davis
Per 40: 22.5 pts, 6.3 rebs, 1.8 asts, 0.45 stls, 1.35 blks
Shooting: 54.3% eFG, 60.1% TS
Poss: 23.8 per 40, 18.9% ToV, 99.5 Ortg
PER: 15.60

Rajon Rondo
Per 40: 9.3 pts, 5.9 rebs, 5.7 asts, 3.337 stls, 0.40 blks
Shooting: 40.0% eFG, 45.2% TS
Poss: 16.0 per 40, 23.5% ToV, 82.2 Ortg
PER: 10.90

Leon Powe
Per 40: 11.8 pts, 13.8 rebs, 0.5 asts, 1.03 stls, 1.03 blks
Shooting: 47.4% eFG, 44.9% TS
Poss: 13.8 per 40, 3.7% ToV, 87.9 Ortg
PER: 12.05

Gabe Pruitt
Per 40: 13.8 pts, 3.8 rebs, 3.8 asts, 1.54 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 47.2% eFG, 46.6% TS
Poss: 20.0 per 40, 19.2% ToV, 82.1 Ortg
PER: 8.00

Charlotte Bobcats

Raymond Felton
Per 40: 15.9 pts, 1.7 rebs, 7.4 asts, 1.48 stls, 0.19 blks
Shooting: 47.2% eFG, 52.4% TS
Poss: 22.1 per 40, 20.1% ToV, 94.4 Ortg
PER: 12.63

Adam Morrison
Per 40: 19.3 pts, 3.3 rebs, 1.7 asts, 1.10 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 50.0% eFG, 55.9% TS
Poss: 19.8 per 40, 9.8% ToV, 103.4 Ortg
PER: 14.07

Jermareo Davidson
Per 40: 18.7 pts, 7.7 rebs, 2.2 asts, 1.83 stls, 1.47 blks
Shooting: 57.9% eFG, 62.1% TS
Poss: 18.4 per 40, 14.0% ToV, 109.8 Ortg
PER: 20.48

Walter Herrmann
Per 40: 13.6 pts, 8.1 rebs, 2.5 asts, 0.62 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 51.4% eFG, 55.7% TS
Poss: 14.0 per 40, 6.6% ToV, 109.2 Ortg
PER: 12.87

Ryan Hollins
Per 40: 9.2 pts, 7.9 rebs, 0 asts, 0.45 stls, 1.12 blks
Shooting: 41.9% eFG, 48.8% TS
Poss: 11.7 per 40, 19.2% ToV, 78.8 Ortg
PER: 6.71

Jameel Watkins
Per 40: 6.2 pts, 13.1 rebs, 0 asts, 0 stls, 2.76 blks
Shooting: 30.0% eFG, 38.3% TS
Poss: 12.2 per 40, 33.8% ToV, 50.7 Ortg
PER: 2.73

Chicago Bulls

Tyrus Thomas
Per 40: 18.2 pts, 10.3 rebs, 2.2 asts, 2.18 stls, 1.9 blks
Shooting: 56.1% eFG, 62.3% TS
Poss: 19.2 per 40, 19.9% ToV, 102.7 Ortg
PER: 19.42

Aaron Gray
Per 40: 21 pts, 12.7 rebs, 2 asts, 0.33 stls, 1.33 blks
Shooting: 53.7% eFG, 59.6% TS
Poss: 23.0 per 40, 20.3% ToV, 97.3 Ortg
PER: 16.92

Joakim Noah
Per 40: 13.1 pts, 9.6 rebs, 3.2 asts, 1.23 stls, 1.48 blks
Shooting: 42.9% eFG, 51.3% TS
Poss: 17.8 per 40, 22.2% ToV, 85.6 Ortg
PER: 12.30

Thomas Gardner
Per 40: 19 pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts, 1.21 stls, 0.4 blks
Shooting: 57.9% eFG, 58.5% TS
Poss: 19.7 per 40, 14.3% ToV, 103.0 Ortg
PER: 12.57

Thabo Sefolosha
Per 40: 14.4 pts, 5.8 rebs, 4.9 asts, 2.25 stls, 0.45 blks
Shooting: 47.9% eFG, 56.3% TS
Poss: 17.6 per 40, 17.9% ToV, 100.7 Ortg
PER: 14.34

JamesOn Curry
Per 40: 9.3 pts, 4.3 rebs, 5 asts, 0.66 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 35.9% eFG, 39.4% TS
Poss: 17.4 per 40, 22.8% ToV, 72.4 Ortg
PER: 2.63

Viktor Khryapa
Per 40: 8.8 pts, 6.3 rebs, 2.5 asts, 0.94 stls, 0.63 blks
Shooting: 40.0% eFG, 42.9% TS
Poss: 13.3 per 40, 16.5% ToV, 78.8 Ortg
PER: 5.82

Cleveland Cavaliers

Shannon Brown
Per 40: 21.7 pts, 3.5 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.26 stls, 0.63 blks
Shooting: 41.7% eFG, 51.3% TS
Poss: 28.0 per 40, 22.5% ToV, 81.4 Ortg
PER: 7.47

Daniel Gibson
Per 40: 14.5 pts, 4.5 rebs, 3.8 asts, 1.03 stls, 0.34 blks
Shooting: 60.9% eFG, 63.0% TS
Poss: 16.5 per 40, 22.9% ToV, 102.8 Ortg
PER: 10.81

Dwayne Jones
Per 40: 4.8 pts, 14.6 rebs, 1.5 asts, 0 stls, 1.79 blks
Shooting: 26.7% eFG, 39.4% TS
Poss: 8.6 per 40, 24.2% ToV, 66.8 Ortg
PER: 7.82

Dallas Mavericks

Brandon Bass
Per 40: 18.6 pts, 11.8 rebs, 1.4 asts, 0.98 stls, 1.57 blks
Shooting: 54.4% eFG, 59.8% TS
Poss: 19.4 per 40, 17.2% ToV, 100.9 Ortg
PER: 18.18

Maurice Ager
Per 40: 16.2 pts, 4.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 1.52 stls, 0.76 blks
Shooting: 37.7% eFG, 43.9% TS
Poss: 22.6 per 40, 15.7% ToV, 76.9 Ortg
PER: 5.68

Jose Barea
Per 40: 16.9 pts, 4 rebs, 8.3 asts, 1.61 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 40.6% eFG, 51.8% TS
Poss: 22.0 per 40, 13.4% ToV, 101.9 Ortg
PER: 16.53

Nick Fazekas
Per 40: 16.3 pts, 10.1 rebs, 1.4 asts, 1.41 stls, 0.28 blks
Shooting: 49.1% eFG, 51.7% TS
Poss: 18.2 per 40, 10.8% ToV, 94.7 Ortg
PER: 14.71

Jared Newson
Per 40: 14.9 pts, 6 rebs, 1.2 asts, 1.19 stls, 1.19 blks
Shooting: 47.7% eFG, 49.0% TS
Poss: 17.4 per 40, 10.3% ToV, 90.2 Ortg
PER: 11.06

Denver Nuggets

Linas Kleiza
Per 40: 22.5 pts, 6.2 rebs, 2.6 asts, 0.47 stls, 0.71 blks
Shooting: 56.5% eFG, 60.4% TS
Poss: 21.1 per 40, 7.8% ToV, 114.5 Ortg
PER: 20.00

Von Wafer
Per 40: 20.7 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts, 0.71 stls, 0.24 blks
Shooting: 61.4% eFG, 65.2% TS
Poss: 20.3 per 40, 16.4% ToV, 112.9 Ortg
PER: 17.04

Bobby Jones
Per 40: 20.8 pts, 6.9 rebs, 2.9 asts, 0.72 stls, 0.96 blks
Shooting: 64.3% eFG, 67.1% TS
Poss: 18.6 per 40, 11.6% ToV, 122.0 Ortg
PER: 19.64

Anthony Roberson
Per 40: 20.6 pts, 4.1 rebs, 6.4 asts, 0.58 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 55.1% eFG, 57.2% TS
Poss: 23.6 per 40, 14.7% ToV, 105.2 Ortg
PER: 16.21

Yakhouba Diawara
Per 40: 10.1 pts, 5.7 rebs, 3.1 asts, 0.57 stls, 0.57 blks
Shooting: 41.7% eFG, 49.2% TS
Poss: 14.2 per 40, 20.2% ToV, 85.8 Ortg
PER: 7.11

Detroit Pistons

Rodney Stuckey
Per 40: 18.8 pts, 5.4 rebs, 4.9 asts, 1.94 stls, 0.78 blks
Shooting: 38.2% eFG, 50.9% TS
Poss: 24.4 per 40, 17.5% ToV, 90.5 Ortg
PER: 14.81

Jason Maxiell
Per 40: 17.7 pts, 12.6 rebs, 1.5 asts, 0.75 stls, 1.32 blks
Shooting: 52.8% eFG, 54.0% TS
Poss: 19 per 40, 10.9% ToV, 98.7 Ortg
PER: 18.33

Arron Afflalo
Per 40: 16.8 pts, 5.8 rebs, 1.6 asts, 0.7 stls, 0.23 blks
Shooting: 53.1% eFG, 60.9% TS
Poss: 17.9 per 40, 19.6% ToV, 100.3 Ortg
PER: 11.79

Cheikh Samb
Per 40: 9.6 pts, 8.5 rebs, 1.1 asts, 1.11 stls, 2.59 blks
Shooting: 35.5% eFG, 39.7% TS
Poss: 12.9 per 40, 2.9% ToV, 80.6 Ortg
PER: 10.22

Sammy Meija
Per 40: 7.4 pts, 9.6 rebs, 4.4 asts, 1.48 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 23.5% eFG, 26.0% TS
Poss: 17.9 per 40, 12.4% ToV, 57.9 Ortg
PER: 3.50

Golden State Warriors

Kelenna Azubuike
Per 40: 22.2 pts, 7.2 rebs, 1.4 asts, 1.62 stls, 0.92 blks
Shooting: 56.1% eFG, 61.6% TS
Poss: 19.2 per 40, 3.6% ToV, 120.7 Ortg
PER: 24.23

Marco Belinelli
Per 40: 17.2 pts, 3 rebs, 2.8 asts, 2.38 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 40.2% eFG, 46.1% TS
Poss: 23.0 per 40, 14.7% ToV, 83.1 Ortg
PER: 10.02

Patrick O'Bryant
Per 40: 14.3 pts, 14.3 rebs, 4 asts, 1.98 stls, 3.56 blks
Shooting: 55.6% eFG, 60.7% TS
Poss: 16.2 per 40, 19.5% ToV, 104.1 Ortg
PER: 21.35

Brandan Wright
Per 40: 14.2 pts, 11.5 rebs, 0.5 asts, 1.64 stls, 0.55 blks
Shooting: 41.7% eFG, 45.1% TS
Poss: 17.1 per 40, 6.4% ToV, 85.5 Ortg
PER: 16.17

Stephane Lasme
Per 40: 12.3 pts, 5.5 rebs, 1.2 asts, 1.85 stls, 3.08 blks
Shooting: 40.0% eFG, 54.5% TS
Poss: 12.3 per 40, 5.0% ToV, 106.5 Ortg
PER: 13.72

Houston Rockets

Luis Scola
Per 40: 15.3 pts, 11.2 rebs, 2.3 asts, 1.83 stls, 0.23 blks
Shooting: 53.6% eFG, 55.5% TS
Poss: 19.4 per 40, 24.8% ToV, 86.9 Ortg
PER: 12.45

Carl Landry
Per 40: 16 pts, 11.7 rebs, 1.6 asts, 0.53 stls, 0.53 blks
Shooting: 63.2% eFG, 66.6% TS
Poss: 16.8 per 40, 25.4% ToV, 101.5 Ortg
PER: 13.24

Aaron Brooks
Per 40: 13.7 pts, 3.3 rebs, 4.9 asts, 1.1 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 33.9% eFG, 36.7% TS
Poss: 22.0 per 40, 7.5% ToV, 77.3 Ortg
PER: 6.07

Steve Novak
Per 40: 15.3 pts, 4.4 rebs, 0.7 asts, 0.73 stls, 0.73 blks
Shooting: 79.2% eFG, 81.5% TS
Poss: 11.1 per 40, 13.1% ToV, 142.4 Ortg
PER: 15.11

Indiana Pacers

Danny Granger
Per 40: 24.3 pts, 7.6 rebs, 2.4 asts, 0.61 stls, 0.82 blks
Shooting: 43.0% eFG, 50.2% TS
Poss: 28.1 per 40, 10.9% ToV, 92.4 Ortg
PER: 16.42

Ike Diogu
Per 40: 18.2 pts, 10 rebs, 2.1 asts, 0.97 stls, 0.77 blks
Shooting: 53.2% eFG, 61.4% TS
Poss: 19.2 per 40, 19.2% ToV, 102.2 Ortg
PER: 16.31

Shawne Williams
Per 40: 20.9 pts, 8.5 rebs, 3.6 asts, 1.03 stls, 0.77 blks
Shooting: 48.6% eFG, 52.7% TS
Poss: 23.9 per 40, 11.9% ToV, 97.6 Ortg
PER: 17.59

Travis Diener
Per 40: 13.6 pts, 4.2 rebs, 6.1 asts, 0.83 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 55.1% eFG, 58.8% TS
Poss: 16.1 per 40, 15.5% ToV, 109.8 Ortg
PER: 13.07

Andre Owens
Per 40: 13.7 pts, 4.8 rebs, 4.4 asts, 3.17 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 42.9% eFG, 50.6% TS
Poss: 17.8 per 40, 16.0% ToV, 93.2 Ortg
PER: 11.02

Courtney Sims
Per 40: 15.1 pts, 9.1 rebs, 0.8 asts, 0 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 47.4% eFG, 50.3% TS
Poss: 17.5 per 40, 12.9% ToV, 89.0 Ortg
PER: 8.74

David Harrison
Per 40: 10.5 pts, 11.2 rebs, 3.5 asts, 1.4 stls, 4.21 blks
Shooting: 50.0% eFG, 45.1% TS
Poss: 15.7 per 40, 17.9% ToV, 82.2 Ortg
PER: 14.83

Los Angeles Clippers

Al Thornton
Per 40: 23.5 pts, 7.1 rebs, 1.1 asts, 0.54 stls, 0.9 blks
Shooting: 51.4% eFG, 54.6% TS
Poss: 26.6 per 40, 17.7% ToV, 91.1 Ortg
PER: 14.08

Paul Davis
Per 40: 15.2 pts, 9.2 rebs, 5.7 asts, 0.69 stls, 0.92 blks
Shooting: 40.0% eFG, 48.3% TS
Poss: 20.4 per 40, 13.5% ToV, 93.2 Ortg
PER: 16.13

Guillermo Diaz
Per 40: 18 pts, 5.4 rebs, 5.4 asts, 0.45 stls, 0.45 blks
Shooting: 52.8% eFG, 53.6% TS
Poss: 20.4 per 40, 8.8% ToV, 105.9 Ortg
PER: 16.48

Los Angeles Lakers

Andrew Bynum
Per 40: 22.4 pts, 13.8 rebs, 2.3 asts, 0.5 stls, 2.26 blks
Shooting: 66.7% eFG, 66.7% TS
Poss: 20.8 per 40, 15.7% ToV, 114.8 Ortg
PER: 25.55

Jordan Farmar
Per 40: 19.9 pts, 5.2 rebs, 7.5 asts, 3.45 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 60.0% eFG, 62.1% TS
Poss: 20.8 per 40, 11.1% ToV, 119.5 Ortg
PER: 25.92

Ronny Turiaf
Per 40: 15.7 pts, 8.6 rebs, 3.2 asts, 0.74 stls, 1.47 blks
Shooting: 62.2% eFG, 65.5% TS
Poss: 17.2 per 40, 24.2% ToV, 103.5 Ortg
PER: 14.84

Javaris Crittenton
Per 40: 17 pts, 4 rebs, 5.3 asts, 1.21 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 51.8% eFG, 59.2% TS
Poss: 18.5 per 40, 13.1% ToV, 110.6 Ortg
PER: 16.17

Coby Karl
Per 40: 13 pts, 4.7 rebs, 3.1 asts, 0 stls, 1.56 blks
Shooting: 57.5% eFG, 59.9% TS
Poss: 16.0 per 40, 25.9% ToV, 93.9 Ortg
PER: 6.82

Memphis Grizzlies

Rudy Gay
Per 40: 20 pts, 5.1 rebs, 1.8 asts, 2.15 stls, 2.31 blks
Shooting: 51.6% eFG, 57.8% TS
Poss: 20.2 per 40, 11.4% ToV, 104.9 Ortg
PER: 19.45

Juan Carlos Navarro
Per 40: 19.5 pts, 2.3 rebs, 2.9 asts, 0.83 stls, 0.21 blks
Shooting: 52.5% eFG, 55.1% TS
Poss: 22.6 per 40, 17.4% ToV, 94.8 Ortg
PER: 10.57

Darko Milicic
Per 40: 12.4 pts, 9.3 rebs, 1.1 asts, 0.68 stls, 2.26 blks
Shooting: 35.1% eFG, 38.7% TS
Poss: 19.6 per 40, 16.1% ToV, 67.2 Ortg
PER: 6.32

Kyle Lowry
Per 40: 13.3 pts, 6.6 rebs, 9.6 asts, 1.23 stls, 0.25 blks
Shooting: 41.7% eFG, 53.0% TS
Poss: 18.6 per 40, 15.8% ToV, 105.3 Ortg
PER: 16.98

Andre Brown
Per 40: 15.2 pts, 11.3 rebs, 0.6 asts, 0.97 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 46.7% eFG, 47.6% TS
Poss: 18.7 per 40, 13.8% ToV, 83.2 Ortg
PER: 12.24

Tarence Kinsey
Per 40: 16.4 pts, 6.7 rebs, 1.9 asts, 2.89 stls, 0.48 blks
Shooting: 43.3% eFG, 50.7% TS
Poss: 18.7 per 40, 10.3% ToV, 94.4 Ortg
PER: 14.64

Mike Conley
Per 40: 9.7 pts, 4.4 rebs, 11.6 asts, 0.94 stls, 0.31 blks
Shooting: 42.6% eFG, 45.5% TS
Poss: 17.3 per 40, 16.3% ToV, 100.5 Ortg
PER: 12.51

Miami Heat

Brian Chase
Per 40: 19.7 pts, 4 rebs, 4 asts, 1.33 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 58.9% eFG, 61.4% TS
Poss: 21.0 per 40, 17.4% ToV, 106.2 Ortg
PER: 15.38

Daequan Cook
Per 40: 15.2 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts, 1.46 stls, 0.29 blks
Shooting: 41.4% eFG, 42.6% TS
Poss: 21.7 per 40, 14.8% ToV, 76.2 Ortg
PER: 5.92

Jeremy Richardson
Per 40: 16 pts, 4.2 rebs, 3 asts, 0.76 stls, 0 blks
Shooting: 40.2% eFG, 42.8% TS
Poss: 20.5 per 40, 3.7% ToV, 88.1 Ortg
PER: 8.97

Marcus Slaughter
Per 40: 14.7 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.22 stls, 0.82 blks
Shooting: 45.2% eFG, 51.5% TS
Poss: 18.1 per 40, 18.1% ToV, 87.3 Ortg
PER: 11.45

Devin Green
Per 40: 12 pts, 2.7 rebs, 2.1 asts, 0.68 stls, 0.34 blks
Shooting: 67.4% eFG, 69.4% TS
Poss: 12.4 per 40, 24.9% ToV, 107.7 Ortg
PER: 8.53

Dorell Wright
Per 40: 8.1 pts, 5 rebs, 4.1 asts, 2.4 stls, 3.59 blks
Shooting: 26.2% eFG, 35.3% TS
Poss: 16.0 per 40, 19.5% ToV, 67.8 Ortg
PER: 7.41

Chris Quinn
Per 40: 11.6 pts, 2.2 rebs, 4.5 asts, 1.12 stls, 0.75 blks
Shooting: 46.4% eFG, 50.6% TS
Poss: 15.9 per 40, 18.8% ToV, 91.5 Ortg
PER: 8.62

Earl Barron
Per 40: 10.7 pts, 9.3 rebs, 0.7 asts, 1.85 stls, 1.48 blks
Shooting: 37.9% eFG, 40.2% TS
Poss: 15.4 per 40, 12.0% ToV, 72.7 Ortg
PER: 9.47

Joel Anthony
Per 40: 15.4 pts, 9.2 rebs, 0.6 asts, 0.62 stls, 3.69 blks
Shooting: 76.9% eFG, 79.9% TS
Poss: 11.1 per 40, 11.1% ToV, 142.8 Ortg
PER: 22.1

Milwaukee Bucks

Yi Jianlian
Per 40: 17.7 pts, 8 rebs, 0.8 asts, 0.84 stls, 1.05 blks
Shooting: 44.6% eFG, 52% TS
Poss: 21.9 per 40, 21.1% ToV, 83.2 Ortg
PER: 9.96

David Noel
Per 40: 8.8 pts, 5.8 rebs, 1.5 asts, 0.77 stls, 0.38 blks
Shooting: 47.6% eFG, 50.5% TS
Poss: 11.6 per 40, 19.9% ToV, 85.3 Ortg
PER: 6.01

Andrew Bogut
Per 40: 19.2 pts, 8.3 rebs, 1 asts, 1.65 stls, 2.64 blks
Shooting: 51.2% eFG, 56.2% TS
Poss: 20.7 per 40, 16.0% ToV, 95.9 Ortg
PER: 17.66

More on the way, will edit.

[shadowgrin]

Screw waiting for the edit, I'll post my comments.

(Even though it's based on preseason..)
I knew it, Al Horford is a stud and Acie Law is a bust.

Kind of disappointed with Rondo.

I didn't expect Felton's PER to be similar to Fabio's. Jermareo Davidson's PER

Nothing surprising with the Bulls players except for Aaron Gray, holy cow!

[Indy]

Shawne Williams had a pretty good pre-season. He's a guy to keep your eye on depending on how much he sees the floor. He's looked like a perfect fit for OB's system.

[Sauru]

check out the per 40 for points for glen davis lol

[-Young Buck-]

Shawne Williams had a pretty good pre-season. He's a guy to keep your eye on depending on how much he sees the floor. He's looked like a perfect fit for OB's system.

Yeah i think he led the pacers in scoring in his last two games. Pacers scored 140 in the last game i believe.

[TheMC5]

check out the per 40 for points for glen davis lol

Glen Davis is a beast, Sauru. Dude can do it all (except defend).

[benji]

Updated top post through to the Bucks.

Feel free to ask about veterans, or anything.

For example,

Gerald Wallace
Per 40: 26.6 pts, 6.3 rebs, 4.7 asts, 2.53 stls, 1.63 blks
Shooting: 51.7% eFG, 60.9% TS
Poss: 27.0 per 40, 13.4% ToV, 110.0 Ortg
PER: 26.34

[cyanide]

benji, if you joined the NLSC Yahoo Fantasy League, you'd own all.

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Darko Milicic
Per 40: 12.4 pts, 9.3 rebs, 1.1 asts, 0.68 stls, 2.26 blks
Shooting: 35.1% eFG, 38.7% TS
Poss: 19.6 per 40, 16.1% ToV, 67.2 Ortg
PER: 6.32

No, no, no... Darko isn't a bust!

Thanks for doing this Benji, interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing what you have for Portland.

[-Young Buck-]

What up with my duke boy Josh McRoberts? He didnt play all pre season. He hurt or something?

[Indy]

Shawne Williams had a pretty good pre-season. He's a guy to keep your eye on depending on how much he sees the floor. He's looked like a perfect fit for OB's system.

Yeah i think he led the pacers in scoring in his last two games. Pacers scored 140 in the last game i believe.

Indeed we did hit the 140 mark. We had 81 at halftime.

This is going to be a high octane offense that scores a lot of points. That's what confuses me so much about so many people thinking the Pacers aren't a playoff team. We were last in the league offensively last year because of Rick Carlisles system, yet we still almost made the playoffs. Now our offense is going to be in the top 10 and people think the team is going to get worse?

[[Q]]

I tihnk Al Horford has the best chance to win ROY right now. He's got one of the best per 40 numbers and he'll get the most minutes to live up to those per 40 numbers.

[shadowgrin]

Feel free to ask about veterans, or anything.

For example,

Gerald Wallace
Per 40: 26.6 pts, 6.3 rebs, 4.7 asts, 2.53 stls, 1.63 blks
Shooting: 51.7% eFG, 60.9% TS
Poss: 27.0 per 40, 13.4% ToV, 110.0 Ortg
PER: 26.34

That got me intrigued. I like to see a comparison of Gerald Wallace's best PER against Kirilenko's best PER in a season. Maybe we can project who was/is/will be better.

[benji]

AK's Preseason

Andrei Kirilenko
Per 40: 13.1 pts, 11.0 rebs, 6.1 asts, 2.11 stls, 3.98 blks
Shooting: 46.8% eFG, 51.8% TS
Poss: 18.4 per 40, 20.3% ToV, 93.2 Ortg
PER: 20.48

Their PER at Age (Wallace first)
19 - 13.3/*
20 - 12.4/18.8
21 - 10.6/21.1
22 - 14.1/22.6
23 - 21.3/24.4
24 - 19.8/20.7
25 - */14.3

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Shawne Williams had a pretty good pre-season. He's a guy to keep your eye on depending on how much he sees the floor. He's looked like a perfect fit for OB's system.

Yeah i think he led the pacers in scoring in his last two games. Pacers scored 140 in the last game i believe.

Indeed we did hit the 140 mark. We had 81 at halftime.

This is going to be a high octane offense that scores a lot of points. That's what confuses me so much about so many people thinking the Pacers aren't a playoff team. We were last in the league offensively last year because of Rick Carlisles system, yet we still almost made the playoffs. Now our offense is going to be in the top 10 and people think the team is going to get worse?

I think the Pacers are overlooked because:

A) All the moves in the East

B) Eastern teams getting better

C) Missing playoffs last year

D) Losing their coach, who is regarded as pretty good around the league

E) Very quiet offseason

I mean Detroit, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, New Jersey, Cleveland, Miami and New Jersey are all probably gonna be in the playoffs. That leaves no spots for anyone else. Miami and NJ could miss the playoffs - but who would fill in? There's Orlando who look pretty good and made the playoffs last year. There's Milwuakee who have a great roster but were hampered by injuries last season. There's New York who's made big moves (not that I think they'll make th playoffs, because I don't - but I'm just one person), then there's your Pacers. The Hawks are on the rise. The Sixers were good without AI. Charlotte finally got a go to scorer, although they lost Morrison.

The East may not be as good as the West, but I think it's far more competitive from top to bottom.

[TheMC5]

Not only missing the playoffs last year, but they went on a 12 (10?) game losing streak toward the end of the season. Plus, Bumleavy is still on the roster - that's never a good sign. And then you've the blockbuster off-season additions of...Travis Diener! Kareem Rush! Stephen Fucking Graham! Yeah!

Also, how much will their defense suffer due to the emphasis on offense? And finally, as I've said many times, you're getting no more than 65 games from both Tinsley and O'Neal.

The Pacers suck. It would not surprise me to see them finish dead last in East. Talk all you want about the system, you still need quality players, and the Pacers have very few.

[Indy]

We just played a pretty pathetic game against Washington without Jermaine and still beat them. This team could win 50 games. I'm not going to argue with you back and forth, because the season is upon us. I just wonder how far in to the season we will have to get before you admit you were wrong.

Oh and if you think we are going to suffer defensively, then you clearly know nothing about Jim O'Briens staff and what they are all about. Dick Harter is the best defensive coach in the NBA and has always had his teams in the top 5 in opposing teams field goal percentage. We are still working out the kinks, but still held Washington to under 40% shooting without our best defensive player.

TheMC, let's make some sort of bet on the Pacers. If Indiana finishes dead last in the East I will end every single post with some sort of praise for you and your genius, one paragraph every time. If the Pacers make the playoffs, then you come up with what you do.

[shadowgrin]

Plus, Bumleavy is still on the roster - that's never a good sign

Bumleavy's stats after the season opener.

25 pts.
4 asts.
12 rebs. (1 off., 11 def.)
.600 3P% (3-5 shooting)
1 TO and 1 PF

I know it was an overtime win and he shot a miserable .412 from the field with 7-17 shooting. But still, that's something for Bumleavy.

[TheMC5]

That's a pretty one-sided wager. Statistically, there is a better that 50% chance the Pacers make the playoffs, but only a 1 in 15 chance of them finishing last. Come up with a fairer wager, and then I'll consider it. I'm not saying I'm convinced they'll finish dead last, just that it wouldn't surprise me. Realistically, I expect them finish anywhere from 9th-12th, as I do think they are certainly better than Philly, Atlanta, and Charlotte, but pretty much right on par with Milwaukee, Orlando, and Washington (who have benefited from playing in a crappy division the last few years).

As for beating Washington: You realize it's Washington, right? The Wiz are completely inept defensively. And it'll probably take 20 games before I'd reconsider my stance on the Pacers, depending on what their record is. I'm certainly not doing it based on pre-season and 1 regular season game against a shitty defensive team. How many games will it take before you'd do the same?

As it stands now, I am far from convinced that Indiana will be any good.

[benji]

Ban bets plz.

he shot a miserable .412 from the field with 7-17 shooting.

I thought I was teaching you better. 7/17 might be 41.2%, but three of those makes were threes! They were worth an entire point more, so 8.5/17 or 50%.

And a 58.4% TS.

That's lashings for you tonight!

[Indy]

Ban bets plz.

What do you have against avatar/signature bets?

[shadowgrin]

^^ Forgot to take into account the shot 3P.
I always have a notion of Dunleavy as a shooter, so everytime I see a shooting percentage that's not very 'shooter' like or below 42%, my mind usually considers it as bad shooting, add to that my separate consideration of 3P shots. Damn fantasy ball.

That's lashings for you tonight!

What should I wear for that, anything leather, birthday suit, or french maid outfit?

[Indy]

Dunleavy looked good in another win tonight. I can't wait to see what this team does with Shawne Williams playing and Jermaine at full strength.

We are going to be the freshest team in the NBA and really get going in the last couple months of the year because we use a 12-13 man rotation, and its going to stay that way. If we keep picking up while still learning that is really going to pay off in the standings when things start clicking on all cylinders.