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Primacy and its effects

Postby NastyNacho1 on Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:13 pm

I did 2 tests
Test 1 = Putting All Players to 0 Primacy
Test 2= Putting Yao Ming and Mcgrady both at 99 (all superstars to 99 primacy)
Here is what happened

Test 1 Complete Domination by PG damn 82 Points 63 shots
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Test 2 Yao and Mcgrady are dominate like a set them to works quite well

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Postby SVG18 on Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:31 pm

Did Arenas really have 0 primacy??
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Postby NastyNacho1 on Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:26 pm

yep he did i am ocd i am sure i checked primacy atleast 3 times
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Postby Patr1ck on Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:17 pm

That's an interesting test. Can you try it on a team that has a very low rated point guard, like Portland?

What's is also interesting is that he dished out 11 assists while his teammates made a total of 8 shots. I guess 3 were self assisted, assuming that all the assists by other team members were to him.

Here is somethuing to add. With AI and Melo on Denver, if they both have 99 primacy, AI usually gets the bulk of the shots. I couldn't get Melo to shoot more then 12 shots until I lowered AI's primacy to like 90. I think I am going to lower it even more.
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Postby --- on Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:45 pm

FG also plays a huge role in who shoots how many shots, especially in simulated games. If I can't get a player averaging enough PPG on 99 primacy, I just crank the FG up a bit and the PPG rises along with it.
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Postby e-mat on Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:27 pm

to get realistic shot distribution you have to make the primacies disparate. Another thing is different positions need different primacy ratings to get the same results. If you put your PG at 99, your C at 99 and everyone else at 0, the PG would still attempt way too many shots compared to the C cause they're the ones initiating the offense and that results in them being chuckers.

In my dynasty Gil 0 averages 29 points. His prymacy is 75. No one else on the Wizards has more than 45 (Butler). That is an exception, however. No other PG needs to have such high primacy to average so little points. Iverson averages about 25 and his primacy is at 50. Melo has about 27 on 80. So basically your PGs primacy ratings shouldn't be higher than 50 or they will torch you and lead to them having unrealistic scoring averages on dynasty.

SGs are different. Kobe averages 28 ppg on 95 primacy. Joe Johnson is at 24 on 90 (but I don't heighten it as he is having a tough time making shots). Rip on the other hand averages 21 on 55. Wade is in high 20s with 80. Vince is close to 30 with 65... So, as you can see, the majority have really high primacies when compared to PGs. This applies to games in which you play as well - if you want your PG to pass, he has to have much lower primacy rating than other players even if the PG is a 1st or 2nd option.

The most difficult position is the C position. I cannot give you the best example - Yao, cause I play with the Rockets, and it really doesn't matter what primacy the players on your team have (that is, if you play the games). But here are some examples. Curry averages a bit above 20 with 45, the same with STAT. On the other hand, JO is at 20 with 60. And Dalambert is at 10 with 50... I'd say the C position is the most dependant on other players primacies.

So my point is - the exact same primacies for different positions lead to different results.

However, the primacy seems bugged sometimes. For example Andre Miller averages 20 points (on 35 FG%) on 0 primacy, takes 20+ shots every game and I can't seem to do anything about it. The team is full with high primacy players, but it is still Dre who takes the most shots. Another example is Mike Dunleavy. He averages about 30 point on 0 primacy since I forced a the trade between GS and Indiana...
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Postby Patr1ck on Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:10 pm

I wonder if the game takes team playbooks into consideration, that might be the reason Miller is averaging 20, because the plays are geared toward Iverson. Just a theory.
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Postby e-mat on Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:21 pm

Yeah I thought about that too... I'll check. But it still doesn't explain 30 points by Dunleavy. Jackson never was a go-to guy in Indiana...
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Postby NastyNacho1 on Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:52 pm

PDub- I tried the Portland thing the PG dominated as well not as bad I am assuming like you said his ratings were to poor I forgot to hit PrintScrn :oops: sorry or i would have posted a pic. I too have AI shooting more then Melo. As for the assists thing with i think the others only took 5 shots which makes 6 assists that shouldnt be there unless I missed something

e-mat - thats interesting maybe we can test and see what decreases per position i wonder if SG and SF are effected as well I have not played Philly with Miller so i cant second that i am going to check it out though
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Postby Patr1ck on Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:14 pm

Don't worry about the assist thing. When I was messing with the sim engine, I had people averaging 135 assists per game on accident, even though teams were still only scoring around 100 points.
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Postby NastyNacho1 on Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:18 pm

Pdub- Off topic but do you where to find the Nike Practice Court?
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Postby Patr1ck on Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:48 pm

You mean the kenkaian one here?

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Postby NastyNacho1 on Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:37 pm

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