Superstar Regression...

[DarkCypher0x0]

Ok, my superstar is a 81 overall shooter PG, he finished the season with 25.1 PPG 9.2 APG 6 RPG we won the finals 4-2 over the Hornets but, when I try to enter a new season the superstar page comes up and all my stats basically are lowered big time and the guy puts on 30 pounds...

It's crap he's only been in the league 1 year and I though he was supposed to get better not worse...how do I stop this from happening do I need to hire better trainers or what?

[Andreas Dahl]

Did you do any individual training with him the previous season?

[DarkCypher0x0]

No actually I did not, I didn't know there was such an option. (Sorry, new to NBA Live in a way, only got it 2 months ago) I'm used to 2K7 to be honest but my console broke and well...

Where about in the season can I find the individual training and will it keep him from losing his stats and gaining tons of weight?

[FlipzLive07]

No actually I did not, I didn't know there was such an option. (Sorry, new to NBA Live in a way, only got it 2 months ago) I'm used to 2K7 to be honest but my console broke and well...

Where about in the season can I find the individual training and will it keep him from losing his stats and gaining tons of weight?

go to the GM Menu and u should see ur assistants,assign your player a training session so he can regain the lost points

[Chris_23]

Did you do any individual training with him the previous season?

Does midseason training affect offseason player development? I had no idea. I thought midseason assistant training is only as a slight bonus and has no effect on what happens in offseason player development.

So midseason use of assists does affect offseason development? Really?

[Oznogrd]

i'm pretty sure its permanent chris...i had amare up to a 99 in a year and a half or so training his ass off.

[Chris_23]

But is there a difference between 1 week and 4 week training? Is it just a convenience option or is the -chance- roll of improvement higher with 4 week training rather than 4 1-week trainings?

And I did not ask if it is permanent or not. I asked whether midseason training affects offseason player development.

[eisfeld]

Well 1 or 4 weeks doesn't matter. It's your choice. And it does not affect offseason development!

[Andreas Dahl]

Chris_23: Yes, mid-season training affects player development. And I'm also pretty sure that you actually need to train players for them to stay somewhat in shape. At least with the older players that is. I don't know where I picked that up..
I also think that the difference between one and four weeks is the likelihood of a player developing. But I'm not sure about that one..

[DarkCypher0x0]

So...basically what you all are saying is, that my player losing skills and getting out of shape is inevitable? If that be the case then...I'm just going to spend the money for a new PS2 to play 2K7, I tried the training but it's random which skill improves or if it does at all, EA sucks.

[bjm111]

So...basically what you all are saying is, that my player losing skills and getting out of shape is inevitable? If that be the case then...I'm just going to spend the money for a new PS2 to play 2K7, I tried the training but it's random which skill improves or if it does at all, EA sucks.


Same as real life if you don't train you get worse.

[Andreas Dahl]

If you train your player a few times during the entire season he'll most likely improve actually (as long as he's not too old and got decent potential)...

[Gedas]

Well these kind of things happen. Its dynasty mode. You can draft a great player, but he might degrade if you dont train his ass off.

[OldFoolStyle]

So...basically what you all are saying is, that my player losing skills and getting out of shape is inevitable? If that be the case then...I'm just going to spend the money for a new PS2 to play 2K7, I tried the training but it's random which skill improves or if it does at all, EA sucks.

I've seen this type of quote in dozens of posts where the player just doesn't use whats available to them. Now, i just have to ask; is 2K7 realy some magical B-ball game where you don't have to do a damn thing?. No need to actualy guard PGs, cause they won't score on you no matter how wide open they are. No need to crash the boards, rebounds just come to you. No need to call plays, your CPU teammates just know where you want them. No need to train players, they always improve on their own and never age. Somehow I think this board has given me the wrong impression of 2k7. you have to do something for it to be fun, don't you?

[bjm111]

Amen Bother!!!!!!!!!!

[DarkCypher0x0]

So...basically what you all are saying is, that my player losing skills and getting out of shape is inevitable? If that be the case then...I'm just going to spend the money for a new PS2 to play 2K7, I tried the training but it's random which skill improves or if it does at all, EA sucks.

I've seen this type of quote in dozens of posts where the player just doesn't use whats available to them. Now, i just have to ask; is 2K7 realy some magical B-ball game where you don't have to do a damn thing?. No need to actualy guard PGs, cause they won't score on you no matter how wide open they are. No need to crash the boards, rebounds just come to you. No need to call plays, your CPU teammates just know where you want them. No need to train players, they always improve on their own and never age. Somehow I think this board has given me the wrong impression of 2k7. you have to do something for it to be fun, don't you?

With all do respect, if you've never played it don't knock it. I didn't make 2K7 out to be a "Magical Game" it's just an overall better game which I unfortunately can't play right now. I really don't mind that you have to train the player to get him the way you want or that they would regress over time that's all part of the game.

What I have a problem with is EA games releasing half-assed games with features that are poorly executed and bugged and get away with it. I don't think it's logical after only 1 year and only being 21 my player drops from an 81 shooter to a 78 nobody with all of his skills dropped by area's ranging from 4 to 11 in all skills.

I even tried simulating every game for 1 season while keeping up training on him and the rest of the team I get him back close to where he was at the end of the last season but then next season he just got even worse dropping from 80 to 77.

Now I doubt that 1 off-season would actually disrupt a players game so badly that it takes the whole season just to get back to full swing, don't you?

[OldFoolStyle]

Now I doubt that 1 off-season would actually disrupt a players game so badly that it takes the whole season just to get back to full swing, don't you?

See Shawn Kemp @ 1999/2000, Michael Ray Richardson @ 1980/81, Bill Walton @ 1978/79.

Yes, many players have absolutely lost it for a while. And not just for a season either, some never get it back. There is also a perception of a sophmore slump in the NBA, where many great rookies have stalled out in their second year, again many never recovered.

[DarkCypher0x0]

Now I doubt that 1 off-season would actually disrupt a players game so badly that it takes the whole season just to get back to full swing, don't you?

See Shawn Kemp @ 1999/2000, Michael Ray Richardson @ 1980/81, Bill Walton @ 1978/79.

Yes, many players have absolutely lost it for a while. And not just for a season either, some never get it back. There is also a perception of a sophmore slump in the NBA, where many great rookies have stalled out in their second year, again many never recovered.

Umm, first of all Shawn Kemp was way past his prime...Shawn Kemp dominated the early to mid 90's. He got worse due to age, Walton only played 14 games in the 78/79 season, he was most likely hurt and still managed a fair 18 PPG in which he never averaged more than that his whole career. Same can be said with Richardson, his best career PPG average was 20.1 his 3rd best was 16.4 in 80/81.

You don't see players like James, Wade, Arenas, Anthony, McGrady, Nash and Duncan come back from an off-season and completely stink up the place all season. In some cases it can happen, in most it's not logical.

[OldFoolStyle]

Keep in mind Kemp is about the same age as Shaq, was he over the hill in '99?. And look at Richardson though his whole career, awsome, great, pathetic, good, great again, banned for life. Not from injury, but drugs and apethy. And yes, Walton lost half of his prime to injuries, so did Grant Hill. So there you prove my point, some players(and these were only the big names)do go through slumps. It might not be logical to expect in all cases, but just as ilogical for it to never happen.

PS. Kemp and Michael Ray were players on the level of James, Wade, Arenas, Anthony, McGrady, Nash and Duncan, and Walton was way beyond. At best I'd put Duncan on Waltons level and Wade above Kemp And Richards, but the rest ain't reached that level yet.

[DarkCypher0x0]

Keep in mind Kemp is about the same age as Shaq, was he over the hill in '99?. And look at Richardson though his whole career, awsome, great, pathetic, good, great again, banned for life. Not from injury, but drugs and apethy. And yes, Walton lost half of his prime to injuries, so did Grant Hill. So there you prove my point, some players(and these were only the big names)do go through slumps. It might not be logical to expect in all cases, but just as ilogical for it to never happen.

PS. Kemp and Michael Ray were players on the level of James, Wade, Arenas, Anthony, McGrady, Nash and Duncan, and Walton was way beyond. At best I'd put Duncan on Waltons level and Wade above Kemp And Richards, but the rest ain't reached that level yet.

Well there you go, point made. All of those "Slumps" weren't from a normal off-season, injury's come during the season. It's unfortunate drugs got Richardson away from the game but that's a path he chose, that wasn't just from sitting at home in the off-season, relaxing or whatnot. Kemp's demise was old age, he's no Shaq, nobody is the same, some players can play longer than others some, players have a short prime.

My point is, you're not just going to lose your game over an off-season for no reason at all, sure slumps happen for a few games or two when your perfectly healthy. To actually have to train all season to get back to actual form and then next off-season get worse? It makes absolutely no sense. They do have off-season workouts and training in the game but they do squat.

[OldFoolStyle]

Ok, let me add some more. Oliver Miller and Kevin Duckworth, please explain to me how their slumps and eventual declines came from anything but sitting on their asses all off season eating cheese burgers. Both got fat early in their careers, not past their primes. Both shaped up enough to be factors in their teams finals runs(miller 92/93 suns, duckworth 89/90 and 91/92 blazers), only to get even fatter and lazier by the next season.
There are, were, and always will be a small portion of pro atheletes, in every sport, with impressive hight or natural tallent but absolutely no motivation. For EA to put this in their game is not a bug. To claim it is a bug diminishes and trivialises the legitimate bugs that have cropped up over the years.
Player slumps in dynasty, do have precidence in reality, do not happen to the majority of players, and affect the CPU as often or more often than human players. In other words, not a bug, just a small part of the game that didn't rule in your favor.

ETA: As i like at least a third of my posts to be construtive. If you are using the PC version of Live 07, you can use a DBF editor to change your players Destiny, Learning and Work Ethic ratings to prevent such declines.

[jfs]

Kemp's demise was old age

No - it was mostly weight, alcohol and cocaine problems. He's currently in the best shape he has been in years and was trying to get an NBA team to pick him up, but no luck there so he announced he will be playing in Italy.