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Team Chemistry? Playing Time?

Postby beauduvall on Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:28 pm

If anyone knows the answer, please, don't hide it from me!

I've been wondering if a low player chemistry rating on a team will effect the way their offensive and defensive plays are ran, in terms of efficiency, quickness and effectiveness, or will it be more like a hamper on each individual playeR?

Also, if players are unhappy about their playing time (or really happy), will their overall ratings fluctuate based on that as well? For instance, If A. Varajao on the Cavs were to become a starter ahead of Drew Gooden ahead of the PF spot, will Drew's rating suffer since he's not being used well and getting less time, and will Varajao's rating go up with all the play time after season's of less time?
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Postby beau_boy04 on Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:53 pm

Those are very good and hard questions that only the production team know. According to the recent interview I've put too many things into account so I hope it works out great in the end.
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Postby Metsis on Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:30 am

I think there will be some hidden or visible bonus or a negative figure that is added to at least certain abilities...

I'm thinking that scoring, defending and rebounding will probably be effected by this. Maybe even the physical stuff, but it shouldn't effect that unless the guy is blowing it intentionally. I mean extreme cases of chemistry... Very happy players play harder and very unhappy players look like Vince Carter in his last year or two in Toronto.
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Postby NBAFAN2005 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:27 am

Im also wondering if say I were to bench Bosh and never play him (assuming he gets real mad about playing time and than demands a trade), would a number of teams than offer me trades, or would it just say "Chris Bosh demands a trade" and than we have to go look to trade him, rather than teams offering us all the trades?

Ps....I would never bench/trade Bosh in my dynasty
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Postby rrenn007 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:36 am

Here's a good question, can you view every players chemistry even on non-user controlled teams? I think you can when you try to trade for players, and I hope this makes a free agency market more active if teams can see which players need a change of scenery.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:26 pm

Those are some hard questions to answer without actually playing the game so for now I guess all we can do is speculate. My guess is that teams with bad chemistry just won't be as effective in-game; perhaps it will be subtle things like players not setting screens or efficiently running plays when they're called, making sloppy turnovers and so on. I suppose the most logical way of achieving that would be to reduce a player's ratings temporarily similar to the way injuries are handled.

As far as it affecting one player or the whole team, I'd say that it would depend on how many players are unhappy. If the whole team or a majority of the key players are unhappy then it's going to be one big mess. If there's just one malcontent then it might just be his performance that suffers, for the most part. After all, if a key player is upset it's going to affect the team's performance at some point but not as much as if the whole team can't stand playing together.
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Postby rrenn007 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:40 pm

If there's just one malcontent then it might just be his performance that suffers, for the most part. After all, if a key player is upset it's going to affect the team's performance at some point but not as much as if the whole team can't stand playing together.


I wonder if a team's poor chemistry affects overall team rating. I never understood how they come up with a team's rating, is it something like they average all the player's ratings to come up with it? Anyway, im sure it will be difficult to predict success/failure on the court relating to team/player chemistry without adjusting player ratings.
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Postby The X on Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:13 pm

don't know if this is relevant to this topic, but I'm really hoping that players go through hot & cold streaks during seasons, just like IRL, & get worn down as the season wears on....if they are rushed back from injury, they might struggle....would be nice, though not expected....
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Postby Raptorel on Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:13 am

Yeah, there should be a "season fatigue" factor... unless you want to play all your starters all the minutes to get the highest stats...
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Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:26 pm

The X wrote:don't know if this is relevant to this topic, but I'm really hoping that players go through hot & cold streaks during seasons, just like IRL, & get worn down as the season wears on....if they are rushed back from injury, they might struggle....would be nice, though not expected....


Agreed, that'd be both realistic and challenging. Mind you, season/travel fatigue has been mentioned as a factor we can monitor so perhaps it will come into play.
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Postby Truth on Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:51 am

rrenn007 wrote:
If there's just one malcontent then it might just be his performance that suffers, for the most part. After all, if a key player is upset it's going to affect the team's performance at some point but not as much as if the whole team can't stand playing together.


I wonder if a team's poor chemistry affects overall team rating. I never understood how they come up with a team's rating, is it something like they average all the player's ratings to come up with it? Anyway, im sure it will be difficult to predict success/failure on the court relating to team/player chemistry without adjusting player ratings.


the best teams (overall ratings) have a lot of depth on the bench, reserve forwards, centers and guards...., a team with a 5 deep bench consisting of all guards will be low rated (even if you got kobe lebron n wade sittin ther)
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Postby Voxel on Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:26 pm

using the current team overall ratings calc, the knicks current roster is a top 5 (89 overall) team. i hope the new additions such as team chemistry put them where they belong.
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Postby Metsis on Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:51 pm

Voxel wrote:using the current team overall ratings calc, the knicks current roster is a top 5 (89 overall) team. i hope the new additions such as team chemistry put them where they belong.


This has been the problem of Live games since the dawn of time... If you've put together a team of guys with great skills, you've always had great success... And we all know that this is not always the case in real life. Sure if all of them do coexist in good spirits, then they will play great, but with a sport as egoistic as basketball, conflicts are bound to happen.

I really love it now, that you might end up in a situation where you have to trade a key player because of chemistry problems and could actually make the team better by getting a less talented guy for him that fit better to the team.

One thing about the whole chemistry thing is... I really hope that teams have different attitudes or what ever, so that actually a guy who isn't happy with his team mates can go to another team and be happy with them... And start playing good again. What I mean is, that not all the teams chemistry make up is the same and different players like it in different places... Like Detroit Bad Boys teams in the early nineties had players that I don't think would have fitted to some other teams, but played well together since they were of the same mindset...
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Postby Voxel on Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:43 pm

just saw the preview video posted on the front page and the knickes were a whooping 91 overall (only 1 point lower than the spurs who had the best record in the west).

it's a real shame, but well... that's what editing is for. i'm gonna lower everyone till the knicks are a 75 overall, the same way i did it this year. poor jerome james is going to be a 52, malik rose and maurice taylor both 55, qrich 67, fracis 78, marbury 82, curry 67, crawford 75, etc.... i will try to leave frye, nate and lee decent cause they were rather promising.

it sucks that you have to base the individual ratings on team's success, but it doesn't get any worse/unrealistic than playing the nba finals / conference finals agains the knicks.
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Postby rrenn007 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:55 am

Voxel wrote:just saw the preview video posted on the front page and the knickes were a whooping 91 overall (only 1 point lower than the spurs who had the best record in the west).

it's a real shame, but well... that's what editing is for. i'm gonna lower everyone till the knicks are a 75 overall, the same way i did it this year. poor jerome james is going to be a 52, malik rose and maurice taylor both 55, qrich 67, fracis 78, marbury 82, curry 67, crawford 75, etc.... i will try to leave frye, nate and lee decent cause they were rather promising.

it sucks that you have to base the individual ratings on team's success, but it doesn't get any worse/unrealistic than playing the nba finals / conference finals agains the knicks.
No No, that video has the Knicks at 75 rating, the video lags a little bit when the user switched teams. I remember that lag happeing in live 05 when you selected a team..
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