Why the hell are points guards SOOO dominate???

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Postby Unrestrict3D on Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:42 pm

elwudl wrote:Yesterday I played the Mavs at the Heat with Andrew's roster (modified by myself). J-Will and Payton combined for 15 points. I played 12 minute quarters. It simply depends on your style of playing. Simply pick up your PG and throw him at your opponent's PG. For me it works. When I have him standing and not able to drive I pick up Dirk/Dampier/Diop to go for the defensive rebound. Normally J-Will/Payton will give the ball then to Wade/O'Neal.


Exactly. I've been able to hold guards to reasonable numbers via playing the right defensive sets and not swapping at the ball ten times a play.
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Postby point-guard on Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:37 am

instead of having problems like dominant guard.i have problem like cpu making almost every foul in
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Postby RKO on Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:03 am

Stephon Marbury once scored 72 points aganist me but they still lost.....he is the most annoying to me.
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Postby StevePlzBelieve on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:40 pm

Derek Fisher was lighting it up against me, he went 5-5 from 3 and ended up with 32 points even though he was being guarded pretty well. Nick Van Exel also had a big game he ended up with 29 points and got like 5 and-1's and draining heavily contested 3's.
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Postby Uptempo on Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:52 am

K0beStar wrote:I dont freeken understand the playbooks for offense (xbox). I look at the plays and all i see is the positions and in a different formation but dosent give any direction or an animation :|


Most of these plays were already described by playmakers in the playbook thread but he updated some of the ones he left out. It doesn't get any easier than this as far as the basics of each play.


PLAY CHART FOR ALL 30 PLAYS AND THEIR DESCRIPTIONS

(Updated Playmakers, Mid Power, Double Power, Zipper and Scoring SG)

1).PLAYMAKER-Starts out with the SG up high on the left, and the ball handler on the right. The SG runs over to set a pick. The PG can either use that pick to drive the center of the lane or kick it out to someone on the wings.
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2).MID POWER-Starts with the PG slightly to the left, with the other players scattered. The PF is out high to the right. You have to move the PG to the right to start the play. The PF will then come to the middle to set a pick. The PG can use this pick to drive the lane or kick it out to the right where the SG has spotted up for a three.

This is great play for SG's with range like Michael Redd, Kobe Bryant or Ray Allen.
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3).DOUBLE POWER-This play starts out with your team in a box formation, flanking the paint. Your PG is up high in the middle. Once the play starts, both the PF and C crash into the lane, one after the other. You can then select which ever one has good low post posistion for a easy score.

This is a great play for teams that have a good scoring combination at PF and C like Houston, Cleveland or LA Clippers.
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4).ZIPPER-This play starts out in a spread formation, your PF will be out high. Move your PG to the right and run forward away from his designated spot to start the play. The SF will be on the right, then he will run through some picks towards the basket and curl out to the top of the key for a three-point shot. You can also hit him while he's near the basket before he comes out to three-point range.

This is a great play for teams that have SF's that can score inside or outside like Rashard Lewis, Cory Maggette, Lamar Odom or LeBron James.
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5).SCREEN GAME-Is designed to free up the PG coming off two screens up high. The first is set by the PF and the second screen is by the SG. The PG is going to come off both screens to get open or drive to the rack. He can also kick a pass back out to the PF or SG for a shot.

Example:Iverson is rubbing off a screen from Webber intially, then a second pick comes from Korver out high aswell. AI can then drive too the hole or setup one of those two guy's for a jumper if they are left open.
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6).HIGH SCREEN-Is designed similiar to Screen game however, only one guy sets the screen this time the PF. The play is designed to come off his screen and drive the lane. If the defense stops you kick back to the PF who is going to roll to the basket after he sets the pick.

Example:Jason Terry dribbles towards Dirk Nowitzki up high. Terry comes off Dirk's screen and he can either look to score off the drive or kick it back to Nowitzki who s rolling to the basket.
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7).PHILLY-Is designed to to be a give an go play between the PG and SF. From what I"ve seen the players are staggered to start out with on the court. The PG passes to the SF, then imediatley after the pass he cuts toward the basket hoping to get open. The SF will pass it right back to the PG for an easy layup. (I reccomend using this play for SF's who are very talented passers like LeBron, Grant Hill or Tyshaun Prince types).

Example:Nash passes to Shawn Marion then he quickly cuts toward the basket and Marion tries to hit him in stride for a layup. That is essentially what a give and go is termed.
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8).BOSTON:This play very simliar to Philly accept the players are in a more spread formation. The PG is passing left to the SF then he cuts to the basket looking for a layup oppurtunity. (Again a good passing SF is reccomended).

Example:Paul Pierce recieves a pass from Marcus Banks out wide to the left then Banks cuts towards the basket and Pierce try's to deliver a nice pass for a layup. If it's not there Pierce can drive or shoot a jumper.
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9).BALANCE-Is kinda like an ISO play because the PG is on the left side of the court by himself. He will move right towards the other 4 players. The Center is going to cut to the basket from the top of the key so the PG can pass to him as he cuts into the lane or waite for the SG to come free up high on the right wing after a pick by either the PF or SF. The SG can then take an open shot if the Center didn't get the ball.

Example:Marbury is alone on the left side of the court then he dribbles right towards Curry. Curry rolls into the lane before Marbury reaches him and then Crawford comes up from the right baseline off a screen by Taylor or Richardson. Marbury's initial look is for Curry if it's not there he fires a pass to Crawford for a 3-point shot. You can switch to ISO before this play starts.
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10).POWER C-Is basically what the name say's. The Center is going to battle down low for posistion and the PG will attempt to feed him the rock. This play starts out on the left side of the court.

Example:Shaq is posted up on the low blocks and Jay Williams #'1 option is to feed him the ball low for a dunk or layup.
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11).SHUFFLE-Has both the PF and C along the left side of the court. The PG is out high on the right side. Either your PF or C flash along the lane and the PG can look to deliver a nice pass.

Example:Lorenzen Wright and Paul Gasol are both lined up stack on the left side of the court. One of them will cut across the lane and Damon Stoudamire will fire a pass inside to them if they establish a good post posistion.
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12).BULLS-EYE-The PF or Center will come up from the baseline on the left side of the court and set a pick for the PG. The PG will come off the pick and look to the right side of the court for the low post player who has established posistion. The PG will look to distribute tht ball to whichever front court player PF or C is posting up on the right side.

Example:Naji Muhammed is posting up on the left side of the court. He comes up high and sets a pick for Parker who drives to the right side and then looks for Duncan down low if he has sealed off his man on the right low blocks.
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13).CAVELIER-This play is designed to get the ball to the SG for a nice oustide shot. All players are spread out with the SG to the right. The PG can pass to who ever is on the left side possibly your SF who can then create his own shot or the PG will waite for the SG who runs from the right side of the court to the left and spots up for a deep jumper.

Example:Andre Miller is bringing the ball up court, Carmelo is along the left side with Martin at the high elbow and Lenard is up high opposite Melo on the right. Miller wil either pass quickly to Melo giving him a one on one chance or waite for Lenard to run across court from righ to left spotting up for 3-pointer. Melo slides down along the baseline as Lenard begans to go in motion.
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14).RIP ISO-Is designed to free up the SG for a midrange jumper. The play starts with the SF out high to the right and the PG on the left side of the court. The SG is along the left baseline by himself. With the play in motion the PG starts the play towards the baseline and the SG moves right then comes back up towards the top of the key looking for an open shot.

Example:Chaucey Billups drives left towards the baseline to start the offense Rip Hamilton who was setup low on the left side veers right then returns to the top of the key hoping Billups delivers him the ball for a nice midrange jumper. Some guy's like Michael Redd will extend the play out to the 3-PT line because the AI does a good job on keeping players within their range this year. This could also be a deadly play for Ray Allen types.
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15).TRIPLE THREAT-This is my favorite play overall because it's designed to have options. All 5 players are spread across the floor. The PG is looking to go right and either the SG or SF is located on the left side. The PG will target one of the two looking to create an ISO situation on the left. That will leave him one on one to either drive, shoot a midrange jumper or hit one of the cutting players who come free from the right side (SF, PF or C) usually it's a SF depending on the Offensive awareness of the players.

Example: Nash kicks the ball over to Jim Jackson who has his man in a ISO situation, Jackson decides to pass rather than shoot therefor he looks for Shawn Marion or Amare Stoudamire off a cut to the basket coming from the right side of the court. Both players are high awareness offensive players either one of them will most likely make the cut and the CPU doesn't always make it the same guy who cuts. So, if your PF is atheletic and gifted and is being defended by slow PF this play will eat him alive or eat you alive.
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16).SCORER PF-Is designed to get the PF in a good scoring postion off of screens. This play has about 3 players lined up on the left side of the court. The PF will then come off of two screens as he goes left then heads back right towards the basket looking for a layup. This is very patient play and takes time develope.

Exampleirk Nowitzki is setup on the left side of the court low on the blocks. He starts out faking left towards the sideline then comes back right off a screen by Dampier and Howard then Terry tries to hit him in stride as comes off the second pick and rolls to the basket looking for a layup oppturnity.
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17).SCORER SF-This is an obvious play based on it's name. The set is geared more towards SF's who can put the ball on the floor and get to the rack. It's kinda like an ISO play with your SF up top. The PG will distribute the ball then the PF will come up from the baseline to set a pick freeing the SF up to attack the basket. This play isn't effective for a guy like Ryan Bowen just because he plays SF. His low Offensive AWR and Ball Handling will disrupt the play if you call it for guy's like him.

Example-T-Mac is out high around the center of the court. Rafer Alston kicks the ball over to T-Mac from the right side of the court and Stromile Swift quickly flashes up to set a pick. T-Mac with his explosiveness will look to drive all the way to the rack. Based on his skill he'll probably go for a dunk to complete the play unless yoru big man gets over in time to stop him.
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18).ROCKET FUEL-Has the PG up high with all other players in a square or box set look. It appears that the PG's priority is to get the ball to the SG who runs along the baseline from the rightside of the court. He eventually gets out to the 3-PT line and catches the pass for a long range shot.

Example:Luke Ridnour starts up the play with Ray Allen lined up on the right side of the court. Allen then goes baseline coming out on the left side and Ridnour fires him a pass as he reaches the 3-PT line.
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More Plays added by SIRJAM

19).OPTIONS: Pg has two options 1. dribble entry to the left off the floor from the middle. 2. Pass to the right wing.

1. During dribble entry Pf, C sets a pick for pg who looks for the sf, sg cutting through the middle.

2. Pg passes to sg, sf on the right wing, opposite post picks for him and the pg flashes the lane and cuts off of a post man screen to the right baseline.

20).SINGLE DOUBLE: Pg dribble from the middle to the right side. sf and pf set a double pick for sg coming to the right wing for the shot. If sg doesn't get it, pg reverse dribbles to the left wing, looking for the sf coming off of a screen by the C. Note: sg and sf can be reversed as well as c and pf.

21).SHOOTER B: Pg dribbles to the right of the floor wings interchange. Wingman coming from the right side gets a double screen from the post men mid lane and looks for the shot. This also opens up a great 2 man game on the left of the floor.
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22).DOUBLE BACK SCREEN-The PG starts out right with the other players lined up on the left. This play actually starts by driving towards the baseline based on the digram that Live gives you. The SF will then cut towards you first before he rolls to the basket. He's the first option but if you don't get him the pass look for someone else to come free on the left.

Example:Sam Cassel is driving baseline and Cory Maggette flashes out high then cuts back to basket looking for a pass from Cassell, if Maggette gets the rock he'll probably draw foul or dunk on someone's azz. If not Cassell will come back with a pass to Cuttino Mobley who came from the left side of the court up high to the right side and take a long range shot off a pass from Cassell.
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23).FLARE-PG is aligned up on the left with the rest of the team spread out. Pg has to go towards the baseline to start the play according to EA's diagram. There will then be like several cuts if you hold the ball and your Center will eventaully come over for a low post setup looking to score.

Example-Jayson Williams drives left to wards the baseline and after a cut back Walker and Wade he doesn't get either the ball then Shaq slides over to the left low blocks establishes posistion and Williams delivers him a pass for a nice low post score.
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24.)HIGHFLYER SG-This play is designed for guy's listed as highflyer's. Basically, your players are packed in the lane from what I can tell. Then your PG based on EA's diagram starts the play on the right. IN motion the SF will venture right for a 3-pt shot and your SG will will drive the middle of the lane. You should hit one of those two guy's and hopefully your SG is a guy who can get up once he's in the paint.
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Example:Baron Davis starts the play on the rightside of the court. Mike Dunleavy runs to right and sets up in three point range then Jason Richardson makes a hard cut in the paint giving Davis an option to go to Dunleavy or hit him for a timed alley oop if no defenders are in posistion or just attempt a layup finish off the drive. Davis can also attack if neither options is open so keeping his dribble is important.
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25).HIGHFLYER SF-Basically the same type of play as Hiighflyer SG accept the the players aren't packed in the lane. They are spread out more with the PG up high at center court. The SG is on the left this time then he will make a hard cut towards the basket hoping to finish with a dunk or layup.

Example:Again Davis has the Rock up at center court high. Everyone else is spread out for the Warriors then Richardson who was aligned up high left cuts hard to basket and Davis delivers him a nice pass and he throws it down on some weak azz center or PF who came over late on help defense.
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26).SHOOTER A-Is designed for the SG to score in two ways. The Play starts with your PG up high at center court. The other players are more scattered than spread out. The PG is suppose to go right to start the play, then the SG who was on the right will head towards the lane, then comes back out again on the left side of the court close to three point range. He can score off the cut or take the pass once he gets back outside.

Example:Tony Parker is up high Center court then he drives right while Ginoboli cuts the basket from the rightside and then comes back out to the left up high near 3-PT range and Parker hits him for a 3-pointer if he didn't make the pass duing the cut as the initial look.
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27.)SONIC-Is designed for both the SG and SF to get off good shots from ouside. The PG starts out by moving right everyone else is bunched up on th eleft side of the court. The SG drives towards the basket then he will come back left looking for a jumper from midrange. The SF will run right on a delayed cut then come free looking for a 3-pointer.

Example:Luke Ridnour ha sthe ball and starts his dribble going right Ray Allen is going to drive towards the rim but htne comeback out Ridnour can hit him for a jumpor or waite for Rashard Lewis to cut right on a delay then spot up for 3-pointer if Allen doen't get the ball first.
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28).RISING SUN-Your players are all along the baseline. Make youe PG go right to start the play based on EA's diagram. You should be in the middle of the court before you start. The C or PF will come up to set a pick for you near the courts center. If the pick gets you free you can attack the basket, but if you get slowed down the PF or C will roll to the rack and you can deliver a pick and roll pass.

Example-This is very easy to visualize. Just think Nash and Amare punking my damn Mavs last year in the playoffs with this play over and over again.....
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29).POWER PF-Is basically an Iso Play for the PF down low. He will battle for posistion and the PG will attempt to feed him the ball. The other players are spread out. The Center is also a second low post option on this play.
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30).SCORER SG-The PG starts out high on the right, with everyone else to his left. The SG is alligned up high in the center. Move the PG to his spot, then pass left to the SG. The PF will drift up and set a pick for the SG, he can use this pick to attack the basket or he can hang back and lob it into the post to the C who will be battling for position down low.

This is good play for great one on one SG's like Kobe, Wade, Carter or Ginoboli. Guy's that can get to the rim and score in traffic.
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Postby K0beStar on Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:32 pm

Wow :shock: Thanks though for the help il definetly use them now that I understand them (Y)
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Postby mavsmaniac2009 on Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:46 pm

Chucky atkins dropped 44 on me today :lol:
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Postby K0beStar on Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:48 pm

How in the hell does Chucky Atkins score 44 points? He cant even score that much against 5 kindergarteners :|
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Postby lassen24 on Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:00 pm

Steve Francis is super hard to stop. He uses highflyer nonstop. And Jason Williams and Steve Nash are pretty unstoppable too. For me though, the harest player to stop on Live is Larry Hughes. Lebron will finish with like 8 points and Larry will have 40+.
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Postby R-Tistic on Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:12 am

I figured everyone had this problem. I change the default play for the CPU, and it has slowed the PG down....but the stars still aren't the ones ballin. I'll do it for the (All-Time) spurs, and Parker/Avery Johnson won't do much...but then Bruce Bowen will come off the bench and score more than Duncan and David Robinson.

It's dumb because even on Live 95, the stars would score more than the average players, so how does it end up different now?
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Postby Uptempo on Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:59 am

R-Tistic wrote:I figured everyone had this problem. I change the default play for the CPU, and it has slowed the PG down....but the stars still aren't the ones ballin. I'll do it for the (All-Time) spurs, and Parker/Avery Johnson won't do much...but then Bruce Bowen will come off the bench and score more than Duncan and David Robinson.

It's dumb because even on Live 95, the stars would score more than the average players, so how does it end up different now?


You have to change the DEFAULT play and then also change their playbook. Using the correct plays in their playbooks that are geared to get the ball to the CPU's top players is what you need to focus on.

Their is playbook thread that has solid plays for all teams and their top players will get the ball using those plays.
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