That's right, I didn't think of that: "Father, why have you forsaken me?"Negative One wrote:But you forget to mention that the spiritual torment he went through. This a perfect, sinless Jesus, who took all the sin of the world, and Whose own father turned away from him.
No flaming here, but I would like for you to elaborate, if you want to talk. I understand where you come from about organized religion- more wars, abuse, and downright theft have come out of organized religions than just about anything else.Qballer wrote:I oppose organized religion altogether. i think people are smart enough to think for themselves and organized religion is a way for a select few to brain-wash people by the masses (and take their money). children should not be subjected to religion and should be able to decide for themselves when they are older and are able to grasp all the concepts and ideas. i do not believe in the Bible and I think it is a work of fiction, written for entertainment or other purposes. i do not believe in the holiness of Jesus or that he ever existed. when i tell people that i choose not to have a religion they automatically assume i'm atheist, but i do believe in a god.
okay flame me now... but you asked for my stance on religion.
if you're interested, I'd be willing to elaborate.
That's right, I didn't think of that: "Father, why have you forsaken me?"
when I saw this thread start up, I tried my best to keep out of it, but here goes...
bullsfan009 wrote:That's right, I didn't think of that: "Father, why have you forsaken me?"Negative One wrote:But you forget to mention that the spiritual torment he went through. This a perfect, sinless Jesus, who took all the sin of the world, and Whose own father turned away from him.
when I saw this thread start up, I tried my best to keep out of it, but here goes...No flaming here, but I would like for you to elaborate, if you want to talk. I understand where you come from about organized religion- more wars, abuse, and downright theft have come out of organized religions than just about anything else.Qballer wrote:I oppose organized religion altogether. i think people are smart enough to think for themselves and organized religion is a way for a select few to brain-wash people by the masses (and take their money). children should not be subjected to religion and should be able to decide for themselves when they are older and are able to grasp all the concepts and ideas. i do not believe in the Bible and I think it is a work of fiction, written for entertainment or other purposes. i do not believe in the holiness of Jesus or that he ever existed. when i tell people that i choose not to have a religion they automatically assume i'm atheist, but i do believe in a god.
okay flame me now... but you asked for my stance on religion.
if you're interested, I'd be willing to elaborate.
But I attribute that to the stupidity of people, not to the religion as it's supposed to be practiced, in its ideal state.
Jesus is a historical person, and there's a lot of good evidence to support that. It is known that he was Jewish, many people believed that he performed miracles, many followed his teachings, and also it's a fact as facts go that he was crucified.
Whether he actually did perform miracles, and whether he rose from the dead are the questions that are not historical facts, and have to be accepted or rejected without scientific, historical evidence.
Why do you think that he never existed?
cyanide wrote:Is there such thing as a 'true' Christian?I believe in God, but not from the Bible's interpretation, and I respect Jesus as a moral teacher, and Jesus is a central figure in Christianity. I'm not exactly the conventional Christian, but if I start studying Islam, Buddhism, Taoism and Hinduism, I might not even be considered under any label.
how one doesn't have to be Christian to get the message of it and learn from it. It had many things that can be 'life lessons' as opposed to 'religious lessons'.
As Q proposed, organized religion is one of the most deceitful human inventions ever. There is absolutely NO WAY that religion should be mixed with the educational system. To mold those poor kids views since they are small, as Q said, it is practically brainwash.
I've had religion in school since gr. 1 and will have it up until I graduate, but I don't think we were 'brainwashed'. The focus of religion courses is more being a good person than believing in God. They do teach that God exists, of course, but it's the message behind the Bible that is the most important thing.
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