++ Discussion ++ Better Gameplay without Superstars?

[TheChancellor]

Alright. People say hands down, that NBA 2K6 is the better game. And while this isn't the issue right now it plays a huge role in the upcoming discussion.

The issue here is realism, something Live 06 lacks. After far as animation goes, Live 06 is as realistic as you can get. The movements, in comparison to all basketball games I've played, is amazing. Just blows the competition out of the water. I like the fact that right the flick of the joystick to the right, my man hesitates in that direction. We have complete control, whereas with 2K6, you don't.

There's a couple of things that make me mad about live 06, and all of them tie into this new Superstar feature. Here's a prime example.

One-handed hookshots from beyond the three-point line. This just disgusts me, and I can only think of one game where I've lost to somebody who DIDN'T abuse it.

I tried playing a few games with all superstar attributes disabled. And let me tell you... I had the best online experience ever. This time, I could take a loss, and blame only myself for slack defense and poor shots. Freestyle seems to override all aspects of the system, namely defense. No matter if you call a double team or have a hand in the guy's face, he's still guaranteed a hookshot from the three. Without freestyle, he's forced to take a regular jumpshot, which with the right timing, can actually be blocked.

There are obviously more differences between Live 06 and 05 besides the Superstar features. You can do more now, and I always feel confident about dropping the ball inside the post now. (In 05, I thought there were too many blocks and steals. I couldn't use them very well.)

Try it guys. We all liked 05 without the Superstars. I think the full potential of this game can be brought out by not using superstar attributes at all.

If enough of you guys agree. I'll think about starting a club online and maybe host a league. I think it's a great idea.

[furbysaur]

hehehe. i started a forum regarding that powerful superstar hookshot. and i too am disgusted with dirk's 3 point hookshot. but i do believe that there should still be superstar moves... but their accuracy should be limited. maybe those "superstar" moves should only show the finesse and aesthetically pleasing moves of great players.

with those superstar triggers. the game became so unbalanced in the sense that if your team has so many superstars, you can beat a player with the same skills but with a weaker team (fewer superstars).

I know this game is really unbalanced because some teams are just really weak, but adding more superstars to a high level team makes it more frustrating and difficult to defeat these teams (especially against a human player). it became an overkill.

[TheChancellor]

I'm trying to develop a solution for this though. All this "I wish...", "Maybe If...", "If Only..." stuff is annoying. Superstars are a problem, and this is what it boils down to. My thing is... Eliminate the problem.

[Laxation]

i dont play online, so i dont really share your pain, but while playing single player i enjoy superstar stuff. i dont overuse the crazy inside scorer stuff because its just too easy to win, but i just use it occasionaly and its fun...

[ijbl]

In my dynasty I have turned off all the superstar abilities for my own players; they just kill the game and make it too easy.

[TheChancellor]

Well, in your case. It'll always be fun. I have fun playing against the computer but even then I find it a bit too easy. If you play it enough times you figure out how the game works and what the computer will and will not let you do. There's more of a challenge playing other people. (At least without the Superstar)

[TheChancellor]

In my dynasty I have turned off all the superstar abilities for my own players; they just kill the game and make it too easy.

EXACTLY! Now isn't Live more realistic? I'm telling you. All this negative talk about the realism of live can be stopped if people just try the game without the superstar feature. It makes for a wonderful game.

I mean, just think hard about the game. What else is there that makes the game unrealistic when playing in superstar mode? I mean, maybe shots go in a lot more, besides that, and superstar moves... I think Live is an excellent game.

[flipz]

In my dynasty I have turned off all the superstar abilities for my own players; they just kill the game and make it too easy.

EXACTLY! Now isn't Live more realistic? I'm telling you. All this negative talk about the realism of live can be stopped if people just try the game without the superstar feature. It makes for a wonderful game.

I mean, just think hard about the game. What else is there that makes the game unrealistic when playing in superstar mode? I mean, maybe shots go in a lot more, besides that, and superstar moves... I think Live is an excellent game.

i agree....Live has always been realistic to me ever since 2005, if ppl choose to abuse the freestyle superstar moves then its up to them....ive always played the sim way and i barely press the L trigger,i still say FSS is the best feature ever added in a ballgame, theres gotta be a distinction from scrubs and stars...see how CPU superstar players utilize it well?dats the same for me.... EA did a nice job of incorporating this FSS, but once again too many live fans get overly ecstatic by winning games with a 80pt margin, dats their own cup of tea....Kidd-playmaker,RJ-Highflyer, VC-Highflyer...i dont fail to deliver on a fastbreak

[MAB30]

LMAO, how can u turn these off during online play? Yea, Just look at what EA has the sliders at for online ranked games, and tell me they are focused on realism.....

[Mr.Funk]

Alright. People say hands down, that NBA 2K6 is the better game. And while this isn't the issue right now it plays a huge role in the upcoming discussion.

The issue here is realism, something Live 06 lacks. After far as animation goes, Live 06 is as realistic as you can get. The movements, in comparison to all basketball games I've played, is amazing. Just blows the competition out of the water. I like the fact that right the flick of the joystick to the right, my man hesitates in that direction. We have complete control, whereas with 2K6, you don't.

There's a couple of things that make me mad about live 06, and all of them tie into this new Superstar feature. Here's a prime example.

One-handed hookshots from beyond the three-point line. This just disgusts me, and I can only think of one game where I've lost to somebody who DIDN'T abuse it.

I tried playing a few games with all superstar attributes disabled. And let me tell you... I had the best online experience ever. This time, I could take a loss, and blame only myself for slack defense and poor shots. Freestyle seems to override all aspects of the system, namely defense. No matter if you call a double team or have a hand in the guy's face, he's still guaranteed a hookshot from the three. Without freestyle, he's forced to take a regular jumpshot, which with the right timing, can actually be blocked.

There are obviously more differences between Live 06 and 05 besides the Superstar features. You can do more now, and I always feel confident about dropping the ball inside the post now. (In 05, I thought there were too many blocks and steals. I couldn't use them very well.)

Try it guys. We all liked 05 without the Superstars. I think the full potential of this game can be brought out by not using superstar attributes at all.

If enough of you guys agree. I'll think about starting a club online and maybe host a league. I think it's a great idea.

are you an undercover EA live developer? it sounds as if you are trying to promote live 06 for the 360. your general aguement is about the game being better without the superstar controls, and thats how it is in the 360 version. and it is rediculeous. while i have not play the game in the 360 version too much, so i will have to rely on what you say. and there's not much that you said. hook shot behind the arc is horrible, but how can you take out the feature for one bug, while the the rest is absolutely fun(for an arcade game).

every time i play live 06, it feels as if i am playing 05, just losen up on the cpu D. i think you're either a live dev or never play 2k6 yet. we all know 2k6 has better graphics...on all system, thus better animation. the general feel when moving a player arounds feels better (i think) depends on how long you have play each game. when i first play 2005, it feel great becasue i have nothing to compare it too. and when i first play 2k5 after months of playing 2005, it felt weird. then, of course, i got use to it, and it felt great, now live feels rediculeous. but whether it feels right or not, live players moves like old people, not because of it being slow, but it being slow motion. better animations belongs to 2k6(period)

[flipz]

^^relax its a fuckin videogame

[Mr.Funk]

ok.........what exactly did i said that makes you think that i'm on fire?

[MaXIuM]

oh man....
so many ppl says 2k6 is better...
how i hope that there is a pc version of 2k nba games cuz i m using pc hehe...

[hipn]

2K6 sucks ass

[ShAuN]

2k6 SUCKS They look like gorillas, there fucking arms are down to there knees. But Live 06 BLOWS 2k6 away. I agree there are some stupid things in Live 06. Highflyer gets alittle out of control sometimes. Taking off from like 15 feets and stuff. Inside stopper is rediculously stupid. I block the oppenant too much, even AFTER I turned the Block thing down. Inside Scorer is good, some things are stupid. Outside Scorer is good. Playmaker gets out of hand too. Shooter is OK. And Power is good.

[Mr.Funk]

why are there even a graphic descusion? i think we should know by now that 2k has always been better in graphics, from sega to 360, just like they sim domination.

[hipn]

Ok, just to clear things up.... 2K6 has better player models and plater graphics (which includes everything the player wears), but the court and arena sucks ass.... the players and courts/stadiums dont really go together like live does. The controls on 2k6 suck compared to live's, I kinda like the feethrow system but its too easy. Im not a Live fanboy just to clear things up.

[furbysaur]

how can you disable the superstar triggers when playing online?

[Mr.Funk]

Ok, just to clear things up.... 2K6 has better player models and plater graphics (which includes everything the player wears), but the court and arena sucks ass.... the players and courts/stadiums dont really go together like live does. The controls on 2k6 suck compared to live's, I kinda like the feethrow system but its too easy. Im not a Live fanboy just to clear things up.

do you have 2k6? or you just played it? if you just played it a few times, of couse the controle will suck for you, couse you don't know how to use it. live do have better arenas, by the slimmest of majins, i'll give you that, but that don't mean 2k6 floors looks stupid. tell me this, what do 99% of your focus goes to when playing the game? the floor or players?

[hipn]

I own both 2K6 and Live 06

[Mr.Funk]

I own both 2K6 and Live 06

i can tell you, that is even worst. the two game is completely different in controles. if you try to play both at the same time, its not going to workout. but you will have more trouble with 2k6 more because 2k6 is completely different from any game, while live 06 are what you are use to.

[bigh0rt]

If you feel the need to turn off Superstar moves with your own players but not the computer, why not just restrict when/how often you use them? Nobody's forcing you to come down and use your Superstar moves each time down the court. They're a neat add-on to the game, if you don't use them cheesily. I do feel, however, that too many players have the abilities, which has led me to only allow real top-notch players at each skill to utilize the Superstar ability.

[TheChancellor]

LMAO, how can u turn these off during online play? Yea, Just look at what EA has the sliders at for online ranked games, and tell me they are focused on realism.....

Well, just so you know... I'm referring to the PC version. And if you already knew that, then your comment wouldn't make much sense.

You can use your own rosters while playing human vs. human. And the freestyle superstar abilities and be turned off.

are you an undercover EA live developer? it sounds as if you are trying to promote live 06 for the 360. your general aguement is about the game being better without the superstar controls, and thats how it is in the 360 version. and it is rediculeous. while i have not play the game in the 360 version too much, so i will have to rely on what you say. and there's not much that you said. hook shot behind the arc is horrible, but how can you take out the feature for one bug, while the the rest is absolutely fun(for an arcade game).

every time i play live 06, it feels as if i am playing 05, just losen up on the cpu D. i think you're either a live dev or never play 2k6 yet. we all know 2k6 has better graphics...on all system, thus better animation. the general feel when moving a player arounds feels better (i think) depends on how long you have play each game. when i first play 2005, it feel great becasue i have nothing to compare it too. and when i first play 2k5 after months of playing 2005, it felt weird. then, of course, i got use to it, and it felt great, now live feels rediculeous. but whether it feels right or not, live players moves like old people, not because of it being slow, but it being slow motion. better animations belongs to 2k6(period)

That's probably the dumbest arguement I've heard. Where the HECK did you gather that I was trying to promote another game? One, I didn't even know freestyle wasn't in that version of NBA Live 06. Two, I hate Xbox.

I was only using the hookshot as an example, and it is one of many that could have been used. The power players I feel can score anytime they want, regardless of your defensive position inside. Putting your hands straight up or trying to draw a charge doesn't work, which is stupid. The same goes for dunkers that just plough through. And scorers can split their way through 4 defenders at a time. This reinforces my opinion about how the FSS feature makes the game unrealistic. And I don't like "Arcade" games.

And what is this about 2K6 having better graphics? Just how old are you? If 2K6 satiates your desire for good graphics and animation then you've gotta problem. You talk about players moving slow. Watch a real NBA game and see if they can run the floor from one end to the other in 3 seconds like in 2K6... I literally timed that. 3 seconds was all it took. The only thing I credit to 2K6 is that not all jumpshots go in, which I think is fine. Everything other aspect of that game can't even be compared to live 06.

Ok, just to clear things up.... 2K6 has better player models and plater graphics (which includes everything the player wears), but the court and arena sucks ass.... the players and courts/stadiums dont really go together like live does. The controls on 2k6 suck compared to live's, I kinda like the feethrow system but its too easy. Im not a Live fanboy just to clear things up.

This I agree with.

how can you disable the superstar triggers when playing online?

I don't think it can be done with the PS version, but on PC it's easy. Simply replace your originaldb with the db files of the ones you saved. If you host the online game, the game will be played with your rosters.

i can tell you, that is even worst. the two game is completely different in controles. if you try to play both at the same time, its not going to workout. but you will have more trouble with 2k6 more because 2k6 is completely different from any game, while live 06 are what you are use to.

It's not a matter of being "use" to anything. It's a matter of what type of controls better suit the way you like to play basketball games. Live gives you complete directional control over the player.

If you feel the need to turn off Superstar moves with your own players but not the computer, why not just restrict when/how often you use them? Nobody's forcing you to come down and use your Superstar moves each time down the court. They're a neat add-on to the game, if you don't use them cheesily. I do feel, however, that too many players have the abilities, which has led me to only allow real top-notch players at each skill to utilize the Superstar ability.

I do not use superstar abilities, even when they are turned on. My problem is playing against people who abuse them, and being unable to see and play a game that could potentially be far more realistic. By turning off the FSS feature I feel that I won't have this problem, this is my point. I also feel that there should be a fair level of play. A team with only one superstar is more likely to lose against a team with three or more. Without any superstar abilities the player with the better team has a higher chance of losing.

[Scotty]

i think the superstar ability makes better gameplay cause theres real moves like runners and facials

[Mr.Funk]

[quote="TheChancellor"]

And what is this about 2K6 having better graphics? Just how old are you? If 2K6 satiates your desire for good graphics and animation then you've gotta problem. You talk about players moving slow. Watch a real NBA game and see if they can run the floor from one end to the other in 3 seconds like in 2K6... I literally timed that. 3 seconds was all it took. The only thing I credit to 2K6 is that not all jumpshots go in, which I think is fine. Everything other aspect of that game can't even be compared to live 06.

[quote]

dude, do you need glasses or are you so independent that you see things completely different from all of us normal people?

but each person are entitle to their own opinion.

here's some other people people's opinion

graphics:

live FANS(all but you)....2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
live buyers(all but you).....2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
live forums(all but you)......2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
2k fans...............................2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
2k buyers............................2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
2k forums.............................2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
gamespot reviewers...............2k,1,2,3,4,5,6
ign reviewers(who are clearly live fans)..........2k,1,2,3,4,5,6

i guess i have to ask you the same question, just how old are you?

you're saying live is not realistic, but so as 2k6. again, just how old are you? from day one when 2k came out of dreamcast it was a sim.
don't beieve me, just ask all the people i mention above who agreed 2k has better graphics.

and don't argue with me about 2k6...i am the one who have the game!!!

and the game speed at defaut is perfect. but if that is too fast for you(rediculeous) you can adjust it.

and if you like realism, how can you say live is better in all other aspect except the shooting while you admitted to live being an arcade game?

after i while playing 2k6 now, i am able to discover more flaws to it, and find glitches, which are getting to the point of it losing its closeness to the real NBA. 2k6 its far far far from being the NBA, but it is the closest thing out there.