Live Gets A Bad Wrap

[naciremadream]

it always gets the award for being the Arcade NBA game...

and i'm not saying it doesnt have its lame moments but 2k is JUST as bad if not MORE.

example..

today playin my brother on all-star difficulty on NBA 2K5 with the Sacramento Kings. I hit 5 straight fadeaway 3's from way beyond the 3 point line with Mike Bibby. FIVE STRAIGHT. with a defender guarding me 3 of the 5.

how is that realistic? its insane to me how everybody says 2K is so real.. you can drain 3's ALL DAY with most shooters on that game. hows that realistic? and i'm not even going to start about how if you jump up to "block" a shot you can create steals with EASE on 2k5 .. if you dont know what i mean you probably havent played the game online or versus a friend.. when you jump you can basically deflect balls with amazing efficiency thats ridiculous...

but yeah 2k fans keep on bashing Live because its ARCADE. haha.. good one guys. 2k is just as bad. sorry to burst your bubble

and yes i know i am at a Live board.. but i've noticed a lot of 2K fan boys on here.. and this goes out to them.

[#12]

did u put fatigue on or cpu assist

[Sac-1]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

[naciremadream]

did u put fatigue on or cpu assist

fatigue on, lol @ CPU assist, who uses that? thats for lamers

[J@3]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

Sliders are your friend. Use them.

[fgrep15]

Both games have very stupid things. When you have a preference for one, you notice the flaws of the others and make them seem bigger than they are, and downplay those of the one you like more. That's how it is with about 80% of the people.

ESPN: When you get hot, players hit some stupid shots
The post game is very weird, and with the drop step you many times kinda just go through the offensive player.
Players travel when they do the up and under
Everyone is a shot blocker, even when blocks are low, you have the stupidest guys swiping and blocking shots
Too many steals in traffic
You can shoot from under the basket at times, and something similar to live where you're under the basket, and you just float backwards and dunk
Almost every pass is an overhead pass, and the players don't know how to pass, they're stupid in passing.
You can pass through people when inbounding
Reaction to rebounds is terrible
Stupid dribbling moves, and weak control with isomotion
Stupid collision shot where players hang in the air and do this stupid one handed shot
Too many fadeaways when players come off screens and shoot, you have to take a little time to settle, and it takes away the whole fact that you beat your defender because they catch up in that time.
You hardly ever get to the line, foul calls on collision are minimal
Their's a special block animation for the post up fadeaway, and it get's blocked every time unless you I think it's post up left and shoot right or something. Shaq will get blocked by Boykins on that shot
Can't block from behind
etc etc.......


Live:
Inability to pass out of layups
Getting pushed back by an offensive player who's dunking or laying up the ball
Too many dunks even when dunk/layup is very low
Way too easy too just back down and dunk or turn and layup with some players who don't even have a back to the basket game: Ben Wallace, Carlos Boozer etc...dunking on people like that is only done by Shaq who does it about 1 time a game.
Horrible momentum in the game. You can be in the middle of a spin, and then just jump the opposite direction and dunk.
Dribbling has some flaws, when dribbling without using the stick, just moving around, it's kinda lame.
Too easy to dribble to ball in traffic, especially sometimes with big men, if you don't do moves and just dribble, you can move around in traffic like nothing. You would get stripped in real life.
Passing sucks, you can't throw a lob pass, and players pick wrong passes many times. In real life, you're inbounding to your own guy who's away from the defender, you lob it, in Live, they do a chest pass right to the defender
Offensive rebounds on FT's is just stupid, and the user can't box out
Post moves are limited because 70% of shots in the post get's blocked if you're playing against a guy that is 2 inches withing your height and can either jump or block.
Players take forever to get down the court. You'll bring the ball up against pressure, and when you're down there, you still have your center running down the court. The slowest guy in the league can get down the court in 5-6 seconds if they aren't dribbling the ball.
etc etc........

[Andrew]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

Sliders are your friend. Use them.

But if the NBA Live series is criticised for the need to customise the sliders to enhance the gameplay, why isn't that a knock against the 2K series if it's the same case?

I'm still yet to play the 2K series, mostly because I've tried other basketball games from time to time and have always preferred Live, probably due to the fact I've been playing since NBA Live 95 and the familiarity factor. The 2K games sound alright but for the most part I'm satisfied with NBA Live and its continued development, so I don't feel the need to look elsewhere.

I still believe that part of the NBA Live bashing is due to the fact the 2K series is new, at least compared to NBA Live's lineage. Anything new and "fresh" is generally considered better, so any negative aspects tend to be pushed aside. NBA Live isn't perfect but it would seem 2Kx isn't either - doesn't 2K5 have a bug where you cannot advance out of the Eastern Finals unless you simulate?

It's become a tradition to bash Live, and unfortunately the individuals who work on the game. While it's in our best interests to offer constructive criticism and offer feedback as to what we want out of NBA Live, I think a lot of the good features go unnoticed because a lot of people - for one reason or another - just want to bash it. Bug reports, Wishlists and constructive criticism are much better than childish (and ignorant) insults any day.

[J@3]

But if the NBA Live series is criticised for the need to customise the sliders to enhance the gameplay, why isn't that a knock against the 2K series if it's the same case?

Because unlike NBA Live, the 2K sliders actually make a (noticeable) difference to the gameplay.

I'm willing to guarantee Sac or whoever posted it never even touched the 2K sliders before playing the game. As far as NBA Live goes, I've tried everyone's sliders from Ben's to Andrews to fgrep15's and while they all make the game tolerable there's too many little things sliders can't fix.

The 2K series has been around since 2000, so I don't really see how it being fresh and new would influence peoples opinion on the game compared to Live, because Madden has been around longer than Live and all we hear is how much more advanced it is in comparison. By that reasoning, Live would be more popular than Madden because it's newer.

[Sac-1]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

Sliders are your friend. Use them.

but it still dosen't fix the speed of the players...even if i put it on 99 they are as slow as hell....and it doesn't effect the thing that they look like dolls
BTW this is my 900th post

[Silas]

all the players in 2k are as buff as the freakin rock, its so fake, its almost as bad as NFL blitz.

[Sac-1]

Yay someone agrees with me

[Bang]

Well for a lot of people, the 2k series is unknown so being that Live is the widely known, it gets bashed all the time. It's a lot like FIFA and Winning Eleven, except I'd say except for hardcore fans or people that haven't played Winning Eleven, most people would agree that Winning Eleven is much better. (2k series is not the clear winner, in my opinion...I mean, the first time I played WE I literally was blown out of my mind..)

People play FIFA and complain it's arcadish and they bash it like hell, thinking this is the only game. Even if there is an alternative, the alternative is ignored largely because of long time fans, like I was. I didn't think the WE would be all that great, thought maybe it's due to preference, so I didn't play it for a long time. I just kept on complaining on FIFA forums. Then one day, I decided to play Winning Eleven, and since then I have decided never to buy FIFA again. It's brand loyalty, and for some people changing between brands is hard or uncomfortable.
Good thing WE has a PC version, because I'd still be playing dumb FIFA...
Now if nba 2k had a PC version...maybe that would change things for the fans around here...
Also, it's that NBA Live is branded as an arcade game because of all those horrible mistakes it made after NBA 2000. (2001, 2002, 2003...those are ARCADE!)
2k came right after those horrible games with the opposite image. This probably is why we usually think NBA Live = Arcade, NBA 2k = sim.

[J@3]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

Sliders are your friend. Use them.

but it still dosen't fix the speed of the players...even if i put it on 99 they are as slow as hell....and it doesn't effect the thing that they look like dolls
BTW this is my 900th post

You just lied. There is no gamespeed slider that goes from 0-99 it's "Slow" "Normal" "Fast".

[Andrew]

The 2K series has been around since 2000, so I don't really see how it being fresh and new would influence peoples opinion on the game compared to Live, because Madden has been around longer than Live and all we hear is how much more advanced it is in comparison. By that reasoning, Live would be more popular than Madden because it's newer.

It's newer than the NBA Live series. With Madden and Live it's not quite the same; neither can really replace each other because they cater to fans of two different sports. With NBA Live and NBA2Kx you're talking about alternatives, with NBA Live and Madden you're talking about two different games in the same genre.

[Goldenstatewarrior]

Aye Andrew, have you played Madden before? Just wondering.

[Andrew]

No I haven't, I'm not an NFL fan. But I'm familiar with the high opinion most people seem to have of the Madden series and I've read about the depth of its Dynasty Mode.

[J@3]

It's newer than the NBA Live series. With Madden and Live it's not quite the same; neither can really replace each other because they cater to fans of two different sports. With NBA Live and NBA2Kx you're talking about alternatives, with NBA Live and Madden you're talking about two different games in the same genre.

It still doesn't stop people complaining about Madden being far advanced to NBA Live. I think the fact that both are products of EA adds to this, and while they are different sports they do indirectly compete because people tend to blanket all EA Sports titles together.

There's always been alternatives to NBA Live, it's not as if 2K is the only other basketbal gamel that's been made. Other games have come and gone and Live has still remained on top, then this one comes along and suddenly (on the console front at least) there's some competition. That's not because this game is "newer" then Live, it's because it has things that people think Live lacks.

[Tristan]

2K is really not that good that game is so unrealistic and the gameplay is not that fluid enough Live is a better game..I bought Live 05 and 2K5 and i compared them..2k5 was really bad especially the fluidity of the game and yea all players there can actually shoot from behind the arc even theres a defender it was really fake..This upcoming live 06 and 2K6 i'l definetly buy the "great one" and that is live no doubt about it HANDS DOWN!!!!

[J@3]

You do realise 2K5 has sliders aswell all of this "OMFG THEY NEVER MISS SHOTS N ITS SO UNREALISTIC" it can be changed with sliders you tools.

Everyone screws around with the NBA Live sliders before they comment, but then people will bash ESPN without even touching theirs. I'll bash the hell out of NBA Live, but only AFTER I've changed the sliders as much as I can to get the most out of the game.

Or alternatively you can just lie about changing the sliders like SAC-1 did

[Oosh]

Andrew my friend, you MUST purchase NBA 2K6 this year and play it. The only thing holding the 2k series back is that its not available on PC...

I seriously think this website should be dedicated to both the games... I mean why should this website be biased towards Live? What direct connections does it have with Live and how would it harm it to also had detailed information on the 2k series instead of basically avoiding it?

Isnt this really a fan site for basketball video games? Ive been coming here since Live 95 and I would love to see it start covering all of the basketball games available.

[shadowgrin]

Mainly because this site is named NBA Live Series Center (NLSC), that's why it's dedicated to the Live series?

What direct connections does it have with Live

Tim Tirschner?

[ask1]

Andrew my friend, you MUST purchase NBA 2K6 this year and play it. The only thing holding the 2k series back is that its not available on PC...

I seriously think this website should be dedicated to both the games... I mean why should this website be biased towards Live? What direct connections does it have with Live and how would it harm it to also had detailed information on the 2k series instead of basically avoiding it?

Isnt this really a fan site for basketball video games? Ive been coming here since Live 95 and I would love to see it start covering all of the basketball games available.

This site is "biased towards Live" because it's an NBA-Live fan site, not a fan site for all basketball games. That's like telling someone with a 2pac fan site to stop being biased and include information about all rappers.

I'm sure there are plenty of other sites with info on the 2K series. Just do a search.

[Goldenstatewarrior]

This site is "biased towards Live" because it's an NBA-Live fan site, not a fan site for all basketball games. That's like telling someone with a 2pac fan site to stop being biased and include information about all rappers.

I'm sure there are plenty of other sites with info on the 2K series. Just do a search.

Yeah. Go to IGN & chat at the NBA 2K Board.

[Sac-1]

Ya i think 2k series is the biggest crap ever...the players are so slow and they miss all the inside shoots but get all the outside shots...and the players look like dolls...its a big piece of crap

Sliders are your friend. Use them.

but it still dosen't fix the speed of the players...even if i put it on 99 they are as slow as hell....and it doesn't effect the thing that they look like dolls
BTW this is my 900th post

You just lied. There is no gamespeed slider that goes from 0-99 it's "Slow" "Normal" "Fast".

I didn't lie....what ever it is...it is fucking slow...i played it at my friends house at least six time

[Metsis]

Andrew my friend, you MUST purchase NBA 2K6 this year and play it. The only thing holding the 2k series back is that its not available on PC...

I seriously think this website should be dedicated to both the games... I mean why should this website be biased towards Live? What direct connections does it have with Live and how would it harm it to also had detailed information on the 2k series instead of basically avoiding it?

Isnt this really a fan site for basketball video games? Ive been coming here since Live 95 and I would love to see it start covering all of the basketball games available.

Let's just put it this way... The guy who founded this site is now a producer for the NBA Live series. So this site has some very serious connections with NBA Live.

BTW Thanks for the site Tim...