can't wait until IGN releases complete player ratings like..

[Devin112]

last year.

So after all the real GMs make their moves in the real worl, with some luck IGN will release their compiled complete player rating like last year, so then WE can plan our off season moves.....

I'm really looking forward to that and I know, we're still a long ways away from that. I really don't move big players, mainly role players. I try to keep it semi accuate with reality, but with my profficent playing skills the sky's the limit!

[naciremadream]

i hate how EA does the ratings though... if a team is bad.. then that automatically screws over a lot of players that are sure to break out this upcoming season .. they do it every year..

watch Telfair's rating be like a 50 -smh-

[Mentally Hilarious]

i hate how EA does the ratings though... if a team is bad.. then that automatically screws over a lot of players that are sure to break out this upcoming season .. they do it every year..

watch Telfair's rating be like a 50 -smh-

And why would it be much higher?

[Point God]

cus he's better than a 50

[Goldenstatewarrior]

i hate how EA does the ratings though... if a team is bad.. then that automatically screws over a lot of players that are sure to break out this upcoming season .. they do it every year..

watch Telfair's rating be like a 50 -smh-

True. But I think Telfair will be in the low sixty's or high fifty's. He ain't that bad.

[Mentally Hilarious]

cus he's better than a 50

Because he can dribble really good? Now I'd say he'll be a 55+, but he isn't much better. And that will show next year if the Jailblazers start him. Loads of potential, great speed and handle, above average passer. But not much more at this point.

[Kemp]

The ratings done by EA never make it realistic enough. That's why we always do some tweaking before we actually play the game.

[Devin112]

The ratings done by EA never make it realistic enough. That's why we always do some tweaking before we actually play the game.

yeah I agree, can't hardly wait to see what they come up with and what needs fixing.

You guys think it was be cheating if I redid the Clippers offseason moves and drafted Green and then instead of ATL trading for Joe Johnson, the Clippers offer draft pics and Maggette?

I think it's fair, but I wanted to knwo what you guys think.

[fgrep15]

EA's ratings overall suck, they don't have an effective way of determining team ratings, so they short change lesser players and players on bad teams to make it work. If all player ratings were correct, every team would be at least 80, with most being in the 90's.

Now to make it easier, they could just change how team ratings are determined so it's realistic, but no, they'll just keep screwing up individual player ratings.

Then their's the stupid things they do with the rookies, like guards being slow, or Devin Harris being unable to shoot

[sixerfan03]

The Ratings will probably be almost the same as last year.

[naciremadream]

cus he's better than a 50

Because he can dribble really good? Now I'd say he'll be a 55+, but he isn't much better. And that will show next year if the Jailblazers start him. Loads of potential, great speed and handle, above average passer. But not much more at this point.

uhh he started the entire 2nd half of last year's season.. shows how much you know about basketball

and yes loads of potential, great speed, handles, great passing.. and an amazing 1st step to get to the hole with.. if he improves his jumper a lot then he will be hard to stop.

he should be somewhere between 60-65 rating.

[fgrep15]

cus he's better than a 50

Because he can dribble really good? Now I'd say he'll be a 55+, but he isn't much better. And that will show next year if the Jailblazers start him. Loads of potential, great speed and handle, above average passer. But not much more at this point.

With how the ratings are done though, having great speed, quickness, handle, and having about a 75 pass rating as a PG should get you at least a high 50 to 60 rating. It's not like he's injury prone, so he'll have about a 70 Hardiness, and also a high 40 - low 50 primacy.

[Andrew]

On the subject of team ratings, I'd love to see it go back to the old method of team rankings - offense, defense, ball control and overall. If need be you could have the "raw" overall rating but I think having 1st to 30th rankings - like the old days - would be a nice touch.

[Metsis]

The 1st -> 30th was a great system... Describes your team so much more better than anything they've tried since then.

Like if you had a team with Offense 4th, Defense 24th, Rebounding 10th and Ball Control 6th, Overall 9th. You would be able to instantly know that you need some defensive specialists to get you to a higher ranking.

I liked the old system of comparing the teams and ranking them as such... It was way more clearer and you could see if you had a major hole in your roster too.

[Andrew]

Not to mention you could sort teams by each category when setting up an exhibition game. Small touches like that appeal to me; they're not necessary but they are practical and useful.

[sixerfan03]

Not to mention you could sort teams by each category when setting up an exhibition game.

I would do that in Live 2001. I sucked at rebounding, so I sorted for worst rebounding teams to play against.

[lemon]

People get WAY to hung up on the ratings.

I thought, regardless of the numerical rating assigned to any given player, that the actually playability of the players, given their ratings, was pretty good right out of the box in '05. Everyone was FREAKING OUT about how much higher Kobe was than TD. But comparitively they played well. Kobe having a higher rating than TD in no way means he is "better" than TD.

AND, you can edit them, people. Like most people bumped up Flip Murray last year coz his first like 10 games were off the scale. Then he came back down to earth.

[naciremadream]

what bothered me the most about 2005 (besides the insane amount of blocks)

was that big men couldnt ever hit a jumper (with sheed, yao and 'toine being the exceptions along with maybe a FEW others)

but a player like carlos boozer, zach randolph, kurt thomas .. guys who are known to knock down that mid-range jumper with consistency.. couldnt do it on the game.

[Goldenstatewarrior]

what bothered me the most about 2005 (besides the insane amount of blocks)

was that big men couldnt ever hit a jumper (with sheed, yao and 'toine being the exceptions along with maybe a FEW others)

but a player like carlos boozer, zach randolph, kurt thomas .. guys who are known to knock down that mid-range jumper with consistency.. couldnt do it on the game.

Exactly. Plus, the fast break was horrible! Geez.

[MiAmI2005HeAt]

The ratings done by EA never make it realistic enough. That's why we always do some tweaking before we actually play the game.

I Argee With this EA Ratings suck.Take atlanta's Josh Smith he was a star
at oak hill and the dunk champ just to add in.But still they can't even give
him a decent rating in dribbling i could'nt start him cause i think lead the
league in turnovers.

[fgrep15]

People get WAY to hung up on the ratings.

I thought, regardless of the numerical rating assigned to any given player, that the actually playability of the players, given their ratings, was pretty good right out of the box in '05. Everyone was FREAKING OUT about how much higher Kobe was than TD. But comparitively they played well. Kobe having a higher rating than TD in no way means he is "better" than TD.

AND, you can edit them, people. Like most people bumped up Flip Murray last year coz his first like 10 games were off the scale. Then he came back down to earth.

Are you kidding me? Not at all, they had PG's who couldn't dribble. If you played with the Lakers and were bringing the ball up with Tierre Brown, he would turn it over.

Yea they did a nice job on most stars and some starters, but after that, the ratings were poorly done. Brad Miller has not range and can't shoot a mid-range jumpshot. In real life, his offensive game outside of garbage baskets is all about the mid-range game and outside shots [not three's though he can step out and hit them once in a while].

Marciej Lampe who is a 6'11-7'0 SF/PF/C, and has a perimeter offensive game was given a 0 3PT rating, which also meant he had 10 foot range, and he only had a 60 FG rating.

Their were some ratings that even though they were wrong you can work with. Example: Troy Bell the 6'3 guard with a 40 inch vertical had only a 70 jump rating, and a 0 dunk rating. Okay, that's fine, but a 66 dribble rating? He's a PG, every PG should have at least a 70 dribble rating, unless they wouldn't be PG's.

Shaun Livingston only had a 72 dribble rating, but at least that's okay, he can dribble decently. Devin Harris had a 67 FT rating, 49 FG rating, and a 37 3PT rating.

Elton Brand had a 0 3PT rating which meant he had no range, which meant he couldn't hit the 15-17 foot jumper which is his main weapon coming off the pick and roll in real life. For a PF who also has pretty good handles and loves to use to crossover, he ogt a 50 rating, which means do anything outside of posting up and he turns it over.


Boris Diaw, PG/SG/SF - 56 dribble rating
Drobnjak - 53 FG, 58 3PT
Josh Childress: 47 FG [I don't understand this at all]
Raef Lafrentz [has previously shot 40% from 3PT], 55 3PT
Mark Blount who has a 15 foot jumper, 46 FG, 0 3PT
Ricky Davis who is a pretty good mid-range shooter, and fairly good from outside - 68 FG, 63 3PT
Jiri Welsch, PG/SG/SF - 59 dribble rating
Tony Allen - SG, known as a dunker, 54 dribble rating, 51 dunk, 70 jump
Delonte West - PG/SG, 58 dribble rating, known as a shooter, 65 FG, 67 PT
Emeka - 38 FG????
Jason Kapono, shooter, 66 FG, but then he has an 82 3PT
Eddie House - PG/Scorer, 62 dribble
Omar Cook - PG, 67 dribble
Theron Smith, everything was off on him
Brezec, midrange shot is his main offense, 50 FG, 18 3PT
Luol Deng - versatile SF, 61 dribble, minimal shooting ability [okay mid-range jumper]
Ben Gordon, shooter, great handles very fast and athletic SG/PG - 68 dribble, 70 FG, 65 3PT, 55 Speed, 68 quickness
Kirk Hinrich: PG, good defender, good shooter, 72 FG [though an 81 3PT], 67 speed, 68 quick, 68 dribble, 55 DAware
Many others on the Bulls, but let's move on

Luke Jackson - shooter, 67 FG, 58 3PT, 36 inch vertical, 49 jump rating, has ability to play PG because of handles, 42 dribble, 57 speed, 46 quickness [he has the speed and quickness of the slowest centers]

Lebron - PG/SG/SF [though best at SF], 70 dribble, his shot clearly improved as a rookie, and I had him at about 73 FG, they gave him a 63 FG
Anderson Varejao - Quite athletic big man, considered capable of playing PF/SF/C, 45 jump rating, and quite slow.
Lee Nailon - expert mid-range shooter, 58 FG, 0 3PT which means no range, and he can't even shoot anyways.
Devin Harris - PG, Good shooter, very athletic, 49 FG, 37 3PT, 67 FT, 65 jump, 70 speed, 75 quicknes
Josh Howard - SF, Very athletic, versatile, good defender, okay mid-range shot, 45 FG, 68 Speed/Quick, 70 jump [though 81 dunk, he has a 37+ inch vert], 60 dribbling
Marquis Daniels - Can play PG, very nice mid-range jumper out to about 20 feet, also athletic. 62 FG, 66 speed, 67 quicknes, 60 jump, 59 dribble
Camby- 0 3PT which means no range, only 57 FG, 59 jump
Kenyon - 45 dribble, he played SF, he's not a good dribble, but at least 55
Carmelo - 68 FG
Nene - very fast and athletic big man, good handles for a big 52 speed, 61 quickness, 40 dribble
Tayshaun - 52 FG, 62 3PT, 60 dribble
Rasheed - 32 dribble
Rip - 72 FG, okay, this one should never be made wrong, it's his claim to fame
Murphy - perimeter PF, can shoot three's, fairly good scorer, 64 FG, 40 3PT, 36 primacy
Dunleavy Jr - versatile, can play as a primary ball handler, 64 dribble
J-Rich - average mid-range shooter, one off year in 3PT shooting, but average outside of that, 67 FG, 61 3PT
Derek Fisher - shooter, 63 3PT
Speedy - nice mid-range J, range out to 20 feet, 62 FG, 27 3PT. How about just bringing back the range rating?
Pietrus - average shooter, athletic freak, very good defender, versatile, 51 FG, 59 speed, 62 quickness, 73 jump, 45 dribble
Yao - 66 FG
Juwan Howard - very nice mid-range J, PF/SF, can put the ball on the floor, good range, 63 FG, 0 3PT, 49 dribble
Charlie Ward - can shoot, 61 FG [85 3PT though]
Maurice Taylor - fairly nice mid-range J, athletic, 0 3PT, 58 FG, 50 jump
Jermaine O'neal - fell in love with the mid-range J in 2004, range to about 18-20 ft, can put the ball on the floor a little, 62 FG, 15 3PT, 44 dribble
Ron Artest - okay shooter and ball handler, not too athletic, but okay, 66 FG, 58 speed [this is center speed, at least 67 or so, he isn't fast, but not a center], 61 dribble
Fred Jones - PG/SG, athletic, average shooter, 51 FG, 57 3PT, 55 speed, 56 quick, 35 dribble
Stephen Jackson - athletic, fairly good shooter, 67 FG, 61 dribble
Croshere - shooter, 71 FG
Marko Jaric - PG/SG/SF, 68 dribble
Brian Grant - all about the mid-range J, 65 FG [okay, that's good], 0 3PT, which means no range
Caron Butler - 59 FG, 44 3PT, 69 speed, 65 quickness, common, at least 70's
Slava - Mid-range shooter, 57 FG, 0 3PT
Mihm - decent mid-range shot, athletic, 40 FG, 0 3PT, 47 speed, 40 quick, 50 jump
Jumaine Jones - shooter, athletic, 62 FG, 66 3PT, 60 jump, 59 speed
Brian Cook - excellent mid-range shooter as rookie, got 3PT shot last year, 49 FG, 0 3PT [no range]
Gasol - 27 3PT [not enough range]
Posey - 64 FG
Battier - good shooter, capable of moving like an average SG/SF, 70 FG 68 3PT, 68 speed, 65 quicknes [not Gasol has a 70 speed and 68 quickness]
Earl Watson - PG, athletic, 63 dribble, 74 speed, 75 quickness
Cardinal - shooter, 58 FG, 73 3PT, not athletic, but he's not an unathletic C, he's an unathletic SF/PF, 50 speed, 49 quickness
Stromile - athletic freak, decent mid-range J, 53 FG, 7 3PT, 58 speed [huh?], 58 quickness, 73 jump, I don't care much about the jump ones, those are easy to change, but slow and can't even shoot decently
Burks - PG, 55 dribble
Haslem - decent mid-range J, and even improved it from rookie year, athletic, 41 FG, 0 3PT, 46 speed, 44 quickness
Malik Allen - has okay range and a mid-range J, 39 FG, 0 3PT
Keyon Dooling - can hit the three, average shooter, 63 FG, 41 3PT
Doleac - his whole offense is the 20 foot jumper off the pick and roll, or catch and shoot J's, 60 FG, 0 3PT
Joe Smith - nice mid-range J, has 3PT ability, good athlete, 58 FG, 9 3PT, 64 speed, 66 quickness
Van Horn - shooter, 39.9% FG in 03-04, 73 FG, 73 3PT
Desmond Mason - not a shooter, but was not that bad in 03-04, improved this year, 59 FG
Mike James - shooter, PG, 68 FG, 69 dribble
Mo Williams - PG, 60 dribble, 65 speed, 70 quickness
Brevin - okay mid-range J, super quick, great passer and ball handler, 43 FG, 76 quickness, 72 dribble
Gadzuric - very athletic, great speed, 42 speed, 43 quickness, 50 jumping
KG - Mid-range jumper is his game, has 3PT range, 66 FG, 44 3PT
Wally Szczerbiak - great shooter, 72 3PT
Jefferson - clearly improved his jumpshot in 03-04, 52 FG, 59 3PT
Ron Mercer - expert 20 foot J shooter, 72 FG [that's fine], but 25 3PT, not enough range
Scalabrine - supposed to be a shooter, 50 FG, 49 3PT
Zoran Planinic - PG/SG/SF, 60 dribble
Magloire - has a 12 foot J, 39 FG, 0 3PT
PJ Brown - very nice mid-range jumper, 50 FG, 0 3PT
David Wesley - shooter, 68 FG, 73 3PT
Kurt Thomas - baseline 15 foot jumper demon, 63 FG, 12 3PT
Tim Thomas - SF, above average shooter, athletic, 72 FG, 70 3PT, 60 speed, 64 quick
Penny - can shoot, 62 FG, 59 3PT
Vin Baker - nice mid-range J, has range to 3, 59 FG, 11 3PT
Dwight Howard - athletic freak, 64 speed/quickness, 74 jump
Turkoglu - shooter 69 FG
Jameer Nelson - not shooting inept, very quick, 48 FG, 25 3PT, 65 speed/quickness
Keith Bogans - average shooter, 55 FG
Deshawn Stevenson - showed a mid-range J his last days in Utah, and ability to at least hit the three, 52 FG, 48 3PT
Grant Hill - has range to about 20 feet, 14 3PT
Kenny Thomas - very nice mid-range J, can hit three's, 56 FG, 8 3PT
Corliss - can hit three's okay mid-range J, 64 FG, 0 3PT
McKie - can play backup PG, 62 dribble
Marc Jackson - nice mid-range game, 62 FG, 0 3PT
Korver - shooter, 70 FG
Kedrick Brown - athletic freak, super vertical, decent shooting, just needed other skills, 52 FG, 64 speed, 67 quickness, 75 jump
John Salmons - PG/SG/SF, athleic, 41 speed, 43 quick, 48 jump, 60 dribble
Amare - could shoot in 03-04, and improved in 04-05 during the summer, athletic freak, can put the ball on the floor well, 49 FG, 9 3PT, 62 speed, 70 quick, 35 dribble
Marion - weird release, but can shoot, athletic freak, extremely quick and fast, 62 FG, 65 3PT, 71 quick
Joe Johnson - wasn't a good 3PT shooter in 03-04, but had a very nice mid-range game, athletic,versatlie, can play PG, good defender, 60 FG, 37 DAware, 64 speed, 69 quickness, 69 dribble
Barbosa - can shoot, 50 FG [but 80 3PT, does that even make sense]
Zach Randolph - Very nice mid-range game, range to about 20, can put the ball on the floor well, 47 FG, 7 3PT, 44 dribble
Shareef - very good mid-range game, 65 FG, 45 3PT
Telfair - very quick, great handles, not a good shooter, but not terrible, 33 FG, 75 quickness, 70 dribble
Brad Miller - previously mentioned, 55 FG, 49 3PT
Webber - can hit three's, loves the mid-range jumper, 79 FG [very good], 14 3PT [no range]
Christie - can shoot, 65 FG, 59 3PT
Minard - PG, 53 dribble, 56 speed, 51 quick
Kevin Martin - athletic, nice mid-range game, good range to about 22, 57 FG, 56 speed, 65 quickness
Duncan - good range to about 18 feet, can hit shots from farther, 82 FG [actually too high, KG's a better shooter], 15 3PT
Horry - 3PT shooter, 63 3PT [had bad % in 03-04]
Devin Brown - average mid-range game, 58 FG, 39 3PT
Udrih - PG, shooter, 59 FG, 62 3PT, 56 speed, 65 quick, 61 dribble
Bowen - 3PT shooter, 67 3PT
Ginobili - good shooter, athletic, 70 FG [it's okay], 72 speed, 70 quick
Rashard - shooter, 67 FG
Radmonovic - SF/PF, can put the ball on the floor, 46 dribble
Ridnour - PG, 66 quicknes
Jerome James - decent shot, 42 FG, 0 3PT
Bosh - nice mid-range game, has range to NBA 3, quick for a PF, 49 FG, 30 3PT, 63 speed, 61 quick
Vince - career 39% 3PT, was 38.7% after 03-04, shot 38.3% in 03-04, 70 3PT rating
Alvin Williams - average mid-range shooter, 60 FG
Okur - Dirk like offensive game, less putting the ball on the floor, superior post abilities, nice shot, 58 FG, 57 3PT, 45 speed, 48 quicknes [not very quick or fast, but in the high 50's], 67 dribble [too high, he's not a SF]
Boozer - good mid-range shooter, good speed, 55 FG, 8 3PT, 56 speed
Kirilenko - average shooter, quick, 58 FG, 64 speed, 62 quick, 55 dribble
Giricek - shooter, 68 3PT
Harpring - nice mid-range J, decent speed and quickness, 62 FG, 64 speed, 59 quickness
Raja Bell - can shoot, 64 FG, 68 3PT
Snyder - very athletic, 59 speed, 62 quick, 71 jump
Raul Lopez - 55 dribble, 61 FG
Humphries - good athlete, 40 speed, 60 quick, 56 jump
Kwame - athletic freak, okay mid-range J, range to about 15, can put ball on floor, 66 speed, 62 quickness, 9 3PT, 71 jump, 48 dribble
Jamison - nice mid-range J, can hit the three, 74 FG, 56 3PT [look at his career, not just one year in Dallas ]
Hughes - average mid-range J, good athlete, can play PG, 56 FG, 70 speed, 75 quick, 73 dribble
Arenas - very nice shot, very quick and fast, athletic, 69 FG, 79 quick [even the 84 speed was low], 60 jump
Hayes - nice stroke, can shoot, 55 FG
Steve Blake - nice shot, 58 FG




Many [not all] of those guys were not playable because they took out main parts of their games. I didn't write a lot of other errors as they were not significant, and I skipped some players. A guy who's game is the mid-range jumper and only has a 50-60 FG rating and no range is useless. A guy who needs quickness, and is slow is useless, a PG who turns over the ball when you do special dribble moves is useless.

[naciremadream]

great post man^^

yeah.. they need to pay attention to what each player is good at, its not that hard.. damn EA.. just pay one person that knows the game inside and out to tell them if they are gonna be lazy.

[Kemp]

I think that EA rather spend more time on the gameplays which I must say is important but at the same time, EA should also try analysing each player's strengths and weaknesses and make the ratings from there.

[Goldenstatewarrior]

I think that EA rather spend more time on the gameplays which I must say is important but at the same time, EA should also try analysing each player's strengths and weaknesses and make the ratings from there.

Yea. Plus, expand Dynasty Mode & maybe add a single player mode.

[#12]

READ FGREPS POST EA!!!