.:New Level of Realism:.

[DK]

I have discovered a thing that makes the game vs the CPU alot more realistic. Setting the CPU offense.

Let me explain, The CPU plays the same no matter who it is , this changes it and it makes it a lot better. Remember how they used to take 30 3pt attempts a game and every other shot was inside the paint? Well not anymore! This makes teams play to their characteristics, all you have to do is set their offense at the begining of the game by pausing Strategy>Team Strategy>Offense>(change to specific fit instead of dynamic)

Here are some sample stats and shot charts (I was Boston)

Game Stats
CPU Player Stats
Bulls Shot Chart


Game Stats
CPU Player Stats
Kings Shot Chart


Notice the shot distribution and variety.

Now to the offenses I ran

Sacramento - Quick Hitters (Not Quick Hitters 1 or 2 or whaterver but just Quick Hitters, this rotates between all the Quick Hitter plays)

Chicago - 1st Half Turout, 2nd Half Sideline Triangle.

So what does everyone think? I think this is pretty neat.

Below are all the offenses and my best descriptions of them.
It would be GREAT if we could come up with an offense that maches each NBA team, so if someone wants to do some testing it would be great. I really think this can improve the game tremendously, so please post your results,findings and opinions.

1-4 High
Ball Starts ou top and all players are above the key, this seems to fit an outisde shooting low ball movement team.
Possibly Fits With Boston Celttics

Ballscreen
A motion offense with lots of screens it seems.
Possibly Fits With Utah Jazz

Box
Players stay and start near basket and usually give it to the big man.
Possibly Fits With San Antonio Spurs

Double High
This has lots of movement and spreating of the D but what sets it a part is the passing outside C.
Possibly Fits With Houston Rockets

Flex
Everyone Stays low except the PG, then someone comes out for a pass and then trows it towards the bucket.
Possibly Fits With Denver Nuggets

Hawks
Losts of movement and precission passing and swinging of the ball.
Possibly Fits With Dallas Mavericks

High Post
Players stick to the outside but the bal goes inside and outside.
Possibly Fits With Atlanta Hawks, Memphis Grizzlies

Inside Triangle
This is the offense the Lakers run now and the old Bulls used to run.
Possibly Fits With LA Lakers

Motion
Well it's kinda self explanatory with everyone tuching the ball.
Possibly Fits With New Jersey Nets

Quck Hitters
Ball is moved and shots are taken by everyone at the first open chance.
Possibly Fits With Sacramento Kings

Sideline Triangle
Like the triangle but on the sideline, this is what the current Bulls seem to run.
Possibly Fits With Chicago Bulls

Turnout
Kind of a base offense with rotating and movement
Possibly Fits With Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors

Zipper
Like the box but with more movement but same result
Possibly Fits With Cleveland Cavaliers

So much typing, but its for a good cause

[ezail]

man you really do work a lot..when will u update ur roster patch??
nice work with the latest update!
can u make the players on your next update jump a litle higher??
thnx man..keep up the good work!!

[Nick]

Good work DK, i'm glad you figured this out, rather than having to change ratings.

[Ymakino]

DK, Nice work as always. I'm going to try it out.

[Dirtdog1- David]

This is very interesting, Dk if you keep this up i may actually play this game.

[Urotsukidoji]

In response to DK's suggestion this is what I did. I set two CPUs to battle it out and change there offensive sets. I let them play out for 1 qtr (12 mins) with no fatigue and no auto substitute to see what the starters might do. At the end of the qtr, i recorded which positions took the most shot at what offensive set. The ff are the offensive set with the 3 most dominant postions ( the number right next to the position is the # of shot they took.

OFFENSIVE SETS 1ST 2ND 3RD
1-4 High SG (6) SF (5) PG (5)
Ball Screen PF (6) SG (5) PG (5)
Box SG (11) SF (7) PF (4)
Double High SG (8) PG (7) PF (6)
Flex C (9) SF (4) PF (3)
Hawks SG (8) PF (4) PG (4)
High Post PG (8) SG (7) PF (5)
Inside Triangle SF* PG* C*
Motion C (7) SF (3) SG(3)/PG(3)
Quick Hitters SG (11) SF (6) PF (4)
Sideline Triangle C (11) PG (5) SF (4)
Turnout SG (9) PF (6) SF (5)
Zipper SG (8) SF (8) C (5)
* Not My Data (DK)

Now by considering the teams and there star player I assigned 2 set plays for each team.

TEAMS OFFENSIVE PLAYS
Atlanta Hawks Ball Screen, Hawks
Boston Celtics 1-4 High, Hawks
Chicago Bulls Motion, Zipper
Cleveland Cavaliers Motion, Zipper
Dallas Mavericks 1-4 High, Motion
Denver Nuggets Flex, Sideline Triangle
Detroit Pistons Motion, Quick Hitters
Golden State Warriors Zipper, Box
Houston Rockets High Post, Double High
Indiana Pacers Ball Screen, Motion
LA Clippers Turnout, Motion
LA Lakers ?
Memphis Grizzlies Turnout, Quick Hitters
Miami Heat Quick Hitters, Double High
Milwaukee Bucks 1-4 High, Double High
Minnesota Timberwolves Zipper, Box
New Jersey Nets Motion, High Post
New Orleans Hornets Motion, 1-4 High
New York Knicks Box, Quick Hitters
Orlando Magic Quick Hitters, 1-4 High
Philadelphia 76ers Quick Hitters, Ball Screen
Phoenix Suns High Post, 1-4 High
Portland Trailblazers Ball Screen, Turnout
Sacramento Kings Ball Screen, Turnout
San Antonio Spurs Ball Screen, Turnout
Seattle Supersonics High Post, 1-4 High
Toronto Raptors Quick Hitters, Box
Utah Jazz Ball Screen, High Post
Washington Wizards 1-4 High, Box

I played against San Antonio and Portland and both teams favored there star players: Duncan, Smith, Parker and Wallace, Wells and Stoudamire. They also shot roughly in the the 40% and tend to set plays rather than just run gun therefore slowing the pace of the game. (With 8 min qtr and default roster ... not DK's tweaked one).

Now if you consider my procedure there lots of room for error BUT this is only a test and this experiment should be done more than once. Let me know what you guys think and I'll post this again in a more appropriate thread created by DK somewhere.

Let me know what you guys think or discovered and thanks DK for discovering this method.[/b]

[Greegore]

Excellent work, Urotsukidoji. What might also help is if you eliminated Dstats for all the players before simulating games. That way, you can better isolate which offensive plays focus on which positions. Otherwise, dstats might be influencing our results.

[DK]

Urotsukidoji

Thansk so much for the research I will be testing the results.

[cheech]

i just played a game cleveland (me) vs. phoenix. phoenix offense was set to 1-4 high all through the game. i forgot to save the stats, but theiy played slow, moved the ball around and got the ball mostly to marion (SF) who scored 24 points. marbury (PG) had 19 and hardaway (SG) 14, who had foul trouble, were the only other suns in double figures. they only tried for 3 3-point shots and scored most of ther shots inside, which i was unable to defend, so i lost 75 : 95 ..
overall nice game. definiitely way better than leaving it dynamic.

there was another thread of this nature, which can be found here.
unforutnately it didn´t "survive"

[Number 25]

Hey, that would be neat... but changing the plays of every team each and everytime you play can get tedious (if not annoying) really fast... I just wish there was a save feature for that in the game

[sirjam]

What plays would these teams run?

Retro Bulls
Retro Celtics With Pierce and Walker
Retro Pistons
Retro Bucks Wit Kareem
Retro Lakers With Shaq and Kobe

[bulls96]

yo sirjam

here you go: (i dont know what they play but i based them on who will take the shots)

retro bulls: definitely sideline triangle. i,ve used them all my life but if you want MJ to shoot the ball, run zipper (pip will get to score here too) or inside triangle.

bucks kareem: sideline too. from what i read their play was just to dump the ball to lew. thats what sideline does.

retro pistons: basically a guard offense. quickhitters.

shaq and kobe: same coach same play. sideline. if you double shaq in the post he'll move the ball around and kobe will get his shots.

basically look at the plays posted above and see who should take the shots more.

[shkoller]

I wanted to try out the new level of realism in franchise mode but when I try to change the offensive settings for the CPU-controlled team I'm playing, the switch arrows are grayed out, so I can't change the offensive strategy of the CPU-controlled opponent. If it matters, my franchise mode is full of custom teams. Any ideas? Thanks.

[Urotsukidoji]

I wanted to try out the new level of realism in franchise mode but when I try to change the offensive settings for the CPU-controlled team I'm playing, the switch arrows are grayed out, so I can't change the offensive strategy of the CPU-controlled opponent. If it matters, my franchise mode is full of custom teams. Any ideas? Thanks.

- Upon the beginning of a game press ESC.
- Under Select Controller, assign one to the opponent (either the keyboard or your own controller).
- Go back to the Main Menu and click Strategy, then Team Strategy.
- There right next to the team name should be left/right arrow toggle.
- Click on of the arrow to switch teams to set.
- Right next to Offensive Sets change Dynamics to a set play you like them to use.
- Be careful on selecting a play (or formation). Make sure you select the one without a number right next to it (ie Flex vs Flex 1). Using a formation without a # will force the CPU to assign a new set play each possession. (Just to get a point across formation is Flex and a set play is the number right next to it).
-After you are satisfied exit out into the Main Menu.
-Go to Select Controller again and just unassign the controller from your opponent.
-Click Resume Game.

Didn't mean to insult your intelligence with the step by step instruction. It's just that I copy/paste this from a previous post to someone with a little less vague idea to do it. Enjoy!

[shkoller]

No insult taken at all - that level of detail was really helpful. Thanks, it worked.

[sirjam]

Does live have a play like the delayed break? Where four players surround the perimeter and one guy in the paint. I am also looking for a play where the two post guys in the paint and the sf and sg run the wings wide.