Jersey Texture
by Chris_23 on Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:05 am
Well it doesnt look like what makes MJ. THis is what his skin looks like, as I said, I dont find the skin looking good. Its either overcontrasted, or color mismatched, or layered wrong. You should show the texture so I could comment more, but this isnt the way how real-time (or even on-real-time) engines can actually use the diffuse maps. Diffuse map is almost-max ambient in real-time games since most engines do specularity as well as shadowing in game (either object-to-object or even object-to-self which isnt the case in Live 2005 sadly). If anything, you should take a look at Live 2005's own textures and then compare. From lighting to shadowing to contrast/brightness, simulated/and-possible-ingame specularity, glow and color bleed (which can help very many textures especially in non-real-time engines, but it always depends). Cant really be more specific as what is wrong, but you have probably used programs automatic color/light adjustment on the texture which has made his lips purple and over-simulated specularity light very "much as it looks during moonlight.
And I repeat, its ok for diffuse maps to have specularity and bumps along with high-ambient (like cloudy days where sun doesnt have as much coloring effect as does the atmosphere) overall coloring, but detailed specularity is not the way to make details. This isnt done so in Live 2005, and this isnt done so in any industry project Ive worked on´. Bring out details on bumps and diffuse maps themselves and not in specularity, it makes it look face and unearthly, especially as it seems to have the light somewhere that never changes, making the skin look unhealthy.
Just some tips to help you in the matters of real time (and if interested then non real time, like 3ds max or maya). Your other works dont display such a problem and I like them alot, but youve overdone it in here.
Im not exactly sure of your techniques since its hard to tell on such a footage, but creating a texture isnt just balancing the reference material, stretching it and placing it on the bhed texture. Bhed texture should be brushed first, manually, and then added texturing (like small skin bumps if you are making a hi-res one). All this based on reference pictures. You should never just paste the ücture on bhed as many tutorials advise for beginners (for its common that in time even the beginners learn that it isnt the right way of work and start layering/dividing their work). THis wasnt the way how EA did it in the first place, and for quality textures, if nothing else, its good to follow their lead since in my opinion, based on personal experience with gamedev projects, is one of the few to place such an attention towards its textures. Im not really sure what went wrong this year with many headshapes themselves, but the texture quality is a way to follow.
If you intend to continue working on it, Id recomend starting again, since currently it seems like every step takes it more and more inside something where you cant pull it out from anymore. Yeah perhaps youll find a way to do that, but currently I hope you got a few good tips from my post.
And I repeat, its ok for diffuse maps to have specularity and bumps along with high-ambient (like cloudy days where sun doesnt have as much coloring effect as does the atmosphere) overall coloring, but detailed specularity is not the way to make details. This isnt done so in Live 2005, and this isnt done so in any industry project Ive worked on´. Bring out details on bumps and diffuse maps themselves and not in specularity, it makes it look face and unearthly, especially as it seems to have the light somewhere that never changes, making the skin look unhealthy.
Just some tips to help you in the matters of real time (and if interested then non real time, like 3ds max or maya). Your other works dont display such a problem and I like them alot, but youve overdone it in here.
Im not exactly sure of your techniques since its hard to tell on such a footage, but creating a texture isnt just balancing the reference material, stretching it and placing it on the bhed texture. Bhed texture should be brushed first, manually, and then added texturing (like small skin bumps if you are making a hi-res one). All this based on reference pictures. You should never just paste the ücture on bhed as many tutorials advise for beginners (for its common that in time even the beginners learn that it isnt the right way of work and start layering/dividing their work). THis wasnt the way how EA did it in the first place, and for quality textures, if nothing else, its good to follow their lead since in my opinion, based on personal experience with gamedev projects, is one of the few to place such an attention towards its textures. Im not really sure what went wrong this year with many headshapes themselves, but the texture quality is a way to follow.
If you intend to continue working on it, Id recomend starting again, since currently it seems like every step takes it more and more inside something where you cant pull it out from anymore. Yeah perhaps youll find a way to do that, but currently I hope you got a few good tips from my post.
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by Chris_23 on Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:21 am
No I doubt it was bad english, but probably overloaded with cgi-related words too much. Nevertheless the texture shows exactly the same as I pointed out in my previous post, wrong color filtering, overdone specularity and bumps (for rodman perhaps?) and no ambient lighting at all. COmpared how EA made their textures, it just does not match, sorry.
And also sorry for you not understanding my previous post, it could have been very helpful for you (as I figured you may be doing graphics elsewhere besides modding), but since you didnt understand it, theres nothing I can do for you anymore. But I cant wait for your other patches, and shoes are awesome (Id draw a parallel between shoes and the face in lighting aspects, but I think it would become as uninteresting read for you as was my previous one)
And also sorry for you not understanding my previous post, it could have been very helpful for you (as I figured you may be doing graphics elsewhere besides modding), but since you didnt understand it, theres nothing I can do for you anymore. But I cant wait for your other patches, and shoes are awesome (Id draw a parallel between shoes and the face in lighting aspects, but I think it would become as uninteresting read for you as was my previous one)
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by tm_typical on Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:23 am
great patches!
dont know about this technical crap but it doesnt look like mj though
could you try making a good kobe? havent found anything here yet
dont know about this technical crap but it doesnt look like mj though
could you try making a good kobe? havent found anything here yet
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by Kob Master on Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:27 pm
C'mon man, release the damn Mellos... who cares about MJ?
Me not!
Me not!
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by Chris_23 on Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:42 pm
Logan wrote:Chris_23(a person of leisure), get a life, get a girlfriend, get a friend...u type too much...
I work part-time at military simulations company, study at national university, I own an apartment sharing it with my love, she happens to be an art student in the same university, I have couple of close friends and band of brothers from my military days.
And you, self-proclaimed life-expert, know absolutely nothing about me...
Get a life? What are you talking about boy...
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by cklitsie on Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:46 pm
Chris_23, get on with it... seems like you have a MJ obsession, furthermore, stop bragging with being a CGI artist and giving negative comments to every patch.
Maybe you don't see it this way, but I don't think you'll make many on these forums if you keep acting like this...
Maybe you don't see it this way, but I don't think you'll make many on these forums if you keep acting like this...
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by Owen on Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:59 pm
cklitsie wrote:Chris_23, get on with it... seems like you have a MJ obsession, furthermore, stop bragging with being a CGI artist and giving negative comments to every patch.
Maybe you don't see it this way, but I don't think you'll make many on these forums if you keep acting like this...
plus
Chris_23 wrote:Logan wrote:Chris_23(a person of leisure), get a life, get a girlfriend, get a friend...u type too much...
I work part-time at military simulations company, study at national university, I own an apartment sharing it with my love, she happens to be an art student in the same university, I have couple of close friends and band of brothers from my military days.
And you, self-proclaimed life-expert, know absolutely nothing about me...
Get a life? What are you talking about boy...
well then, hang out with those people you listed out there, instead of typing a trillions of words in a computer game website
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by Chris_23 on Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:03 pm
Hey boy, is your life then worth it giving suggestions to someone you have no clue about on a game modding website?
cklitsie, every patch? wow, you sure have missed most of the threads Ive posted in then...
You guys need to learn how to take critique, no one ever says that hey comments were not justified, but everybody always all the time here starts mumbling when someone says that things should be approached differently. You wont get far in graphics and multimedia unless you can take both of the parrallels objectively. But you dont care I suppose.
And you hold it against me that I love something I grew up on? Yes, I am obsessed with Michael Jordans basketball, what business is that of yours. Some grow up on cartoons, others on books, I grew up on basketball. And I dont give a crap about whether you like it or not, because if there is still one thing I learned stop doing, was judging other people by the standards of modern life. Its wrong as long as the person himself feels happy living it.
But hey, Logan was right, its not worth it.
I hope you all the best of luck. Ive got my "life" to turn back to. I should have expected that boys from a modding community are going to teach me how to live my life... Go and serve, and lets then talk again. You know where to find me.
But again, its not worth it.
cklitsie, every patch? wow, you sure have missed most of the threads Ive posted in then...
You guys need to learn how to take critique, no one ever says that hey comments were not justified, but everybody always all the time here starts mumbling when someone says that things should be approached differently. You wont get far in graphics and multimedia unless you can take both of the parrallels objectively. But you dont care I suppose.
And you hold it against me that I love something I grew up on? Yes, I am obsessed with Michael Jordans basketball, what business is that of yours. Some grow up on cartoons, others on books, I grew up on basketball. And I dont give a crap about whether you like it or not, because if there is still one thing I learned stop doing, was judging other people by the standards of modern life. Its wrong as long as the person himself feels happy living it.
But hey, Logan was right, its not worth it.
I hope you all the best of luck. Ive got my "life" to turn back to. I should have expected that boys from a modding community are going to teach me how to live my life... Go and serve, and lets then talk again. You know where to find me.
But again, its not worth it.
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by Big-D on Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:21 pm
i dont know what a CGI artist is but Chris_23 dont post in my thread. no offense your faces are bland with no detail your not the one to tell me to fix my mj. if you dont like the way i do things.go suck mjs dick
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by Chris_23 on Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:37 pm
Andres Granados wrote:i dont know what a CGI artist is but Chris_23 dont post in my thread. no offense your faces are bland with no detail your not the one to tell me to fix my mj. if you dont like the way i do things.go suck mjs dick
You have got quite an ego "Andreas"... Oh, and thanks for the compliment!
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by tm_typical on Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:47 pm
Andres Granados wrote:i dont know what a CGI artist is but Chris_23 dont post in my thread. no offense your faces are bland with no detail your not the one to tell me to fix my mj. if you dont like the way i do things.go suck mjs dick
youve got a problem or something? dont know about these family isues that go on here, but language like that isnt really appropriate, his faces are bland compared to yours yes but only because you have overcontrasted making them looks as if sick of this nuclear disease or soemthing.
whatever, i have got my cyberface patches elsewhere, but am a fan of your shoes :=)
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by Liv_a_Life on Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:29 am
Wow isnt this a heated arguement going on here 
Hope Im not in the wrong place
And whats the deal with all the shoes
Apparently you are as addicted to clothes as I am
Hope Im not in the wrong place
And whats the deal with all the shoes
Apparently you are as addicted to clothes as I am livvy
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by Big-D on Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:35 am
i just dont like reading an essay from yoda 
no problems man just keep it to the point
about the kicks im startin them now. i fearing im going to get snowed in at my home because the snow is over a foot now and rising. more time to make shoes
no problems man just keep it to the point
about the kicks im startin them now. i fearing im going to get snowed in at my home because the snow is over a foot now and rising. more time to make shoes
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by Chris_23 on Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:36 am
Yeah I apologize, these things should have been settled in personal messaging. Its an apple-orange situation, some like apples others like oranges. I personally feel that the cyberfaces are too contrasted and nuclear what were said before by the kobe-guy. Others may like this, yet I just didnt understand why the author wants to take away my right to comment his work in his thread.
You wont hear from me in this thread anymore as you wished, as long as you wont start dismissing everyone who doesnt agree with you one hundred percent Andres Granados. Learn to accept critique.
But its ok with me. As long as Andres feels good and keeps pumping out those shoes.
But telling me to suck Michaels dk was way over the line
Have fun
You wont hear from me in this thread anymore as you wished, as long as you wont start dismissing everyone who doesnt agree with you one hundred percent Andres Granados. Learn to accept critique.
But its ok with me. As long as Andres feels good and keeps pumping out those shoes.
But telling me to suck Michaels dk was way over the line
Have fun
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by Kob Master on Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:44 am
Andres Granados wrote:hey guys im makin the a3 decades and the team macs will be released
FINALLY
And all the others, stop bitchin' around...
This thing here is just about shoes, faces and all in all NBA Live 2005 "sickass" patchin'
Btw, Granados... what about the Mellos? They looked so hot in your lil' screen...
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