.:My Tweaked Roster Patch - BY DK 1/24/03 UPDATE OUT:.

by **ToniStarks** on Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:58 pm

Take your time DK, education should always take precedence over other matters, especially this one. Will take a look at your latest roster, sounds promising. Keep in touch.

by **dan** on Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:10 am

well, i´ve played some matches with your latest roster, and there are still too many steals, and my players controled by cpu can´t make them as the cpu does.

another thing is that they hardly miss a shoot when shooting in the paint or near it, it´s horrible when for example tinsley gets nearly all the shoots in the paint even you jump to try to make him miss.(i´ve stop playing a match in the middle, and indiana was shooting 24/31, i was LA.)

the last thing is that i feel it is really easy to post up, i mean that pushing to get near the basket is easy. for example brad miller against shaq, shaq should be really difficult to move , but he isn´t.

the rest is good, beta is great.

by DK on Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:32 pm

dan , I don't know why they shot so good, but that never hapens to me.

Now I had time for a couple of games today

Code: Select all: Entire Game Boston New Jersey Points 73 94 Bench Scoring 5 26 Field Goals 30/81 37/74 Field Goal % .370 .500 3 Point FG 8/30 4/15 3 Point % .267 .267 Free Throws 5/8 16/23 Free Throw % .625 .696 Rebounds 44 39 Off. Rebounds 14 1 Def. Rebounds 30 38 Blocks 9 1 Steals 9 20 Assists 14 23 Turnovers 28 19 Fouls 20 21

I was Boston

, and this is after I put up a 10-2 run to close it, It seemed every time down the court, I turned it over and that was just making me play angry which led to more mistakes

. No other stats for this game as I wanted to forget it as soon as it ended.

I couldn't just leave after a whuppin like this so I had another game.

I was Sac

Code: Select all: Entire Game LA Lakers Sacramento Points 84 110 Bench Scoring 21 29 Field Goals 28/73 45/70 Field Goal % .384 .643 3 Point FG 8/23 9/20 3 Point % .348 .450 Free Throws 20/27 11/12 Free Throw % .741 .917 Rebounds 30 41 Off. Rebounds 12 5 Def. Rebounds 18 36 Blocks 1 2 Steals 12 10 Assists 12 34 Turnovers 14 18 Fouls 18 21

Player of the Game
Stojakovic 44 pts (18-29FG) , 11 reb, 8 ast

Other Performers
Webber 21 pts, 8 reb
Bibby 4 pts, 9 ast

O'Neal 23 pts (10-14 FG), 9 reb, 4 stl
Fisher 17 pts (4-8 3pt), 7 ast

Crappy Performance
Kobe 8 pts (2-9 FG), 3 to

This game started out so great, the Lakers decided to give me the ball with very careless play 9 times in the 1st. Fox decided to not cover Sojakovic and Peja lit him up for 17 pts in the 1st :shock:

( He had 3 fastbreak dunks and 3 wide open 3s) Peja had 31 in the 1st half, I had only 2 turnovers in the 1st half. In the 2nd half more of the same happed withe the great outside shooting, but Shaq woke up with 10 pts in the 3rd with a lot of inside shots. I ended up playing a bit more loose and they got closer. Peja would have had a triple double but his team mates missed 4 layups/easy shots on passes by Peja. I felt so much better after geting my rvenge. I just couldn't miss in this game.

by **dakinaw** on Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:40 pm

DK what Difficulty User Profile and Setting do u play on? Also how long are your quarters? Thanks!

by **Mystery** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:18 am

I started a new franchise with the Bucks and the 3 game was :

Milwaukee vs. New York

Points 72 93
Bench Scoring 12 26
Field Goals 32/81 40/82
Field Goal % .395 .488
3 Point FG 2/17 5/18
3 Point % .118 .278
Free Throws 6/16 8/11
Free Throw % .375 .727
Rebounds 38 44
Off. Rebounds 7 5
Def. Rebounds 31 39
Blocks 6 4
Steals 5 7
Assists 12 20
Turnovers 10 10
Fouls 9 14

I traded Marcus Camby for Anthony Mason and Ervin Johnson. Camby had 21 points, Allen added 19 3-pointer were just 1/6 :shock:

and Cassel added 13 points and 7 assists. Spreewell had 32 points, Houston 20 and McDyess had 13. And in the game i made just 2 of 17 3-pointers

. But the patch is great, I like it.

by **Ole** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:17 am

I want to use this new roster patch, the tweaked one, but i don´t know which one is the newest one, the one in his page, or the one that came along with the NLSC roster patch, can you guys help me on this one??

Thank´s!!!

The other question is, everytime i change the roster for a new one, i have to reinstall all the patches??
Maybe with the DBF Editor, there´s a way to not have to install all the stuff again, please help me out fellas!!!

by DK on Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:52 am

the most recent is the beta 3 in this thread

by **Ole** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 9:47 am

Well thank´s, but i can' t find the Beta 3, and the link in the first topic, does not work.......
And for the patches?? Did i have to reinstall all of them, when changes roster?

by **Pylon_Man** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 9:53 am

I have started a season with beta two using Orlando and played nine games. So far I am averaging 17 turnovers, 30 assists, 45 boards, 32% on threes, 50% FG, 76% FT, 7.6 blk, 16.7 fouls. I have won 8 and lost 1, my one loss was a great game. We couldn't stop each other from scoring in the fourth! It ended 103-109 mil bucks.

Some out of ordinary stats, I'm scoring 110 points a game while allowing 88. Mostly because of another extraordinary stat, 15 steals a game! My last game was the most lop-sided, I bet I had at least 22 steals. 90% of them are not mine BTW, just my computer teammates showing off their skills by doing a no-look one-handed pickoff of crosscourt passes.

by **Ole** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 10:38 am

Anyone can help me, please??

by **Ole** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 10:39 am

Anyone can help me, please??

by **Lrd_Mince** on Tue Jan 21, 2003 12:04 pm

Ole wrote:Anyone can help me, please??

here's the link, it's DK's, I'm just making it a bit easier to find

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/dadokasper ... betaV3.zip

I just reinstalled Live so I'm going to try your patch out now DK. I'd just like to say thank you for trying tediously to correct EA's complete blunder.

by **Lrd_Mince** on Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:01 am

Now I remember why I uninstalled this PoS game. Here's the scenario:

I'm playing with Nets against the Lakers.

Game goes to double OT.

I'm losing by 4, making a run.

I get the ball down in the post to Kenyon Martin

Do a spin off Shaq after he reaches for the ball.

Go up for the dunk and Shaq (quicker than lightning mind you) pops in front of me and gets a charge call.

Next time I get the ball I do the same thing to Shaq again, this time I miss the dunk with a wide open Kenyon.

I just gave up after that (mind you, needs dudes are draining 3 after 3.)

bah

*uninstalls Live until those, excuse my french, fuckers over at EA get their act together

by DK on Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:35 am

Here are some more stats I had

Code: Select all: Entire Game New Jersey Golden State Points 84 99 Bench Scoring 17 21 Field Goals 35/71 40/78 Field Goal % .493 .513 3 Point FG 6/19 6/22 3 Point % .316 .273 Free Throws 8/11 13/16 Free Throw % .727 .812 Rebounds 36 31 Off. Rebounds 8 6 Def. Rebounds 28 25 Blocks 6 2 Steals 10 13 Assists 26 25 Turnovers 22 12 Fouls 19 13

Code: Select all: Entire Game New Jersey Golden State Points 94 72 Bench Scoring 26 5 Field Goals 38/75 28/72 Field Goal % .507 .389 3 Point FG 6/20 3/17 3 Point % .300 .176 Free Throws 12/15 13/19 Free Throw % .800 .684 Rebounds 44 28 Off. Rebounds 9 6 Def. Rebounds 35 22 Blocks 6 11 Steals 6 10 Assists 26 15 Turnovers 18 13 Fouls 17 18

Code: Select all: Entire Game Boston Houston Points 115 106 Bench Scoring 7 24 Field Goals 46/91 42/77 Field Goal % .505 .545 3 Point FG 15/31 14/30 3 Point % .484 .467 Free Throws 8/8 8/9 Free Throw % 1.000 .889 Rebounds 36 34 Off. Rebounds 14 4 Def. Rebounds 22 30 Blocks 11 2 Steals 11 10 Assists 32 19 Turnovers 15 21 Fouls 6 11

I was NJ and Bos, In that last game it was crazy, I put up 36 in the 1st and could not miss, but in the 4th the game turned into crazy shooting contest and I barely hung on and they came back from 20 before I managed to separate.

Francis had 32 and 14 ast
Delk had 14 and 17 ast (Highest ever for me using any PG)
Ming Had 18 and 13 boards

This was pretty much the same roster as beta 3 except I have made the strength of every player based on their height/weight with a maximum of 80, I think I will try to update 3s based on curent season stats and as son as I update the roster standings I will release this as an official release, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW.

by DK on Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:23 am

I have just released the official update ( will update 3s on the next roster)

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by **The Notorious** on Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:50 am

is it similar to Beta3 ?

by DK on Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:09 am

It is beta3 with a few more minor adjustments and updated roster standings.

by **dan** on Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:37 am

DK, i,ve got a question. you suggest to play arcade, but have you tried sim?. i ´ve played sim and arcade with default rosters, and i think both are mixed, i mean that for example in arcade, as you say, the speed seems to be a bit slower, but on the other hand sim produces more shot misses (at least that´s what it seamed to me) but it is faster and the are more dunks, but as you´ve solved the problem of the speed and the easy baskets, i think it can result in a more realistic game.

by **Heiks** on Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:38 am

DK wrote:I have just released the official update ( will update 3s on the next roster)

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ok there's something about drbbling:

Jeryl Sasser (dribble 95, fatigue max),
1st crossover and here you go...

my humble opinion:
if you lower the speed and quickness
then the dribbling skill also decreases and isn't so good (even if dribbling is set over 90)
even in the real world it's so - slow players aren't good handling the ball

what do ya think?

by DK on Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:13 am

Heiks wrote:
DK wrote:I have just released the official update ( will update 3s on the next roster)

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ok there's something about drbbling:

Jeryl Sasser (dribble 95, fatigue max),
1st crossover and here you go...

my humble opinion:
if you lower the speed and quickness
then the dribbling skill also decreases and isn't so good (even if dribbling is set over 90)
even in the real world it's so - slow players aren't good handling the ball

what do ya think?

I know thats the only problem I've found so far, I don't get that since I don't have a 2 analog pad so I have to use the crossover and spin buttons so my guys don't lose the ball, freestyling seems to make the ball go out. I'm still working on solutions.

by **Sanityy** on Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:43 pm

THe rosters are awesome but i think the players move waay to slow, its like they are moving in slow mothion =/

Other then that awesome

by **Nephrinn** on Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:07 pm

loving the new beta 3 rosters, its made me actually start a fantasy franchise. I'm playing as the detroit pistons, with divac, murphy, jefferson, finley and jay williams and every game i've played was a goddamn challenge. So far i'm 1-2, and I BARELY won that game, it went into 3 overtimes! The computer hit a lucky long range threepointer at the end of the first overtime, and I was lucky enough to get inside with finley to score at the end of the second overtime. And the third was pretty much a blowout. Ended at like 130-120, one of the best games i've played. The only complaint I have so far is the steals can be quite frustrating, the computer gets an average of 15 steals a game from me, if i'm lucky I might get a few. Anyways keep up the good work DK!

Just want to stress one tip for those people who have trouble hitting jumpshots: Instead of the pick and roll play, try waiting until the computer tries to reach in and steal the ball from you, THEN shoot the ball. It isn't a guaranteed shot(and certainly isnt if your in "user" mode) but I do make alot that way. Also this only works if the computer player is guarding your player tight, if he isn't dribble in a bit and take the shot. I really love how these rosters make you think before taking the shot.

by **dan** on Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:33 am

well, played some games with last your roster, and i must say it´s pretty good.
but i think scoring in the paint or near is too effective, that makes the FG% go a bit high in my opinion, as i usually get a FG% over 50(52%, 55%), sometimes 48%, 49%, but very rarely around 40%. if you could make it a bit less effective, if they could miss some more shoot, in generall, both normal and "superstars", as the last ones hardly miss from this distance. jumpers and threes are quite good.

the other thing is post up, it is still too easy to get near the rim, should be more difficult to push a defender of similar caracteristics(height and weight). also it is almost impossible to post up because they usually double team and steal you the ball(and when you double team when they are posting, your player does not try to steal the ball)

one last thing, i don´t know if you are able to make this, but could you make control chanching from one player to another faster, it would make it easier to deffend, cause sometimes you can´t jump to try to make cpu miss, as it is really slow, you press pass to change player but when you are able to jump it is too late.

keep up like that. i think you´re very near to make this live a good basketball game.

by DK on Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:03 am

I have sped the game up a little and now it feels just dandy. The roster is released BUT the site was not changed so just downoad the latest file (1/24/03) on the rosters page and notice the differences.

Also the shooting was taken down and scaled up to 80 (instead of 85) because guys were a little too good.

I have fixed the dribble drop probem about 75%

, Good guards like AI, Kobe, and Kidd should now never drop the ball. Slower guards should drop the ball VERY rarely, and the slowest of guards should drop it about 2/3 times a game. (Of course this is all relative and about how much you freestyle or drive out of triple threat, in my last game I only dropped the ball once, but I think it will be higher for those who all do 300 dribble moves with the analog stick a game)

Tell me what you think about this version.

by **BodyBump** on Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:57 am

DK wrote:The roster is released BUT the site was not changed so just downoad the latest file (1/24/03) on the rosters page and notice the differences.

I have fixed the dribble drop probem about 75% , Good guards like AI, Kobe, and Kidd should now never drop the ball. Slower guards should drop the ball VERY rarely, and the slowest of guards should drop it about 2/3 times a game. (Of course this is all relative and about how much you freestyle or drive out of triple threat, in my last game I only dropped the ball once, but I think it will be higher for those who all do 300 dribble moves with the analog stick a game)

Tell me what you think about this version.

Dk, is that the 1/24/03 file ur talkin about? or ur new beta version? coz i wanna try it

.:My Tweaked Roster Patch - BY DK 1/24/03 UPDATE OUT:.

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