U R B - WHERE SIM HAPPENS ! 2023 Roster Preview! 11TH November

[PatTheHead]

2015 draft class is in your mailbox skoadam.

I know the ratings and tendencies don't agree with what you and slimm are doing, but feel free to edit 'em to your liking!

pls lmk have you added portraits and cfs?
which tool did you use adding it?
thx

[DamirNYK]

2015 draft class is in your mailbox skoadam.

I know the ratings and tendencies don't agree with what you and slimm are doing, but feel free to edit 'em to your liking!

pls lmk have you added portraits and cfs?
which tool did you use adding it?
thx

Yep, cf's and portraits are compatible with URB 2016 roster, although portraits don't load for rookie classes in the association, a known thing that can't be fixed other than manually.

Most of the work is done with NBA 2K13 Turbo Modifier http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=88196&hilit=trainer, with a little help from REDMC and some in-game editing.

Hopefully skoadam is gonna fix his machine soon so you'll get the DC in his next update, but if anyone's impatient you can PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.

[MadbaLL]

Has anyone here had any issues with shoes in this mod?

not at all, everything shoes related is fine in my game.

[skoadam]

I must inform you guys, after 10 years of activity on NLSC moderation blocked my account options, as you can see im not able to set my own avatar and description.

[MadbaLL]

I must inform you guys, after 10 years of activity on NLSC moderation blocked my account options, as you can see im not able to set my own avatar and description.

WHAT?????????

what tha hell happened? did you get in touch with @andrew? do you want me to get in touch with him?

i can't belive this...

[Kevin]

woah. How did it happen?

[skoadam]

Humiliating but its not the first time here so i get used to.
Ok guys my gpu is dead, costs will be painfull, but it wont stop me. Must move my redmc license on desktop and we will continue URB.

[bigh0rt]

I must inform you guys, after 10 years of activity on NLSC moderation blocked my account options, as you can see im not able to set my own avatar and description.

This is actually not true... at all in the slightest, in fact. You are more than welcome to set your own avatar and custom title. You should have full control, as all other members do, presently. However, you may not set one whose primary purpose is to antagonize others and instigate problems. I hardly feel this is an unreasonable request, right? I imagine we're all on the same page with that. If you feel it is, please feel free to send a PM to myself and/or Andrew (as to not take your thread off-tooic and take away from it), and we can certainly have a further conversation about it.

[skoadam]

bigh0rt, i thought we have ended our conversation long time ago, right? or should i post public all your pms directed into my person? Maybe i should ask you to choose avatar for me? If my previous funny chicken is not allowed. I think you should review whole forum to find any other chicken avatar, because it can hurts someone BIG EGO. Btw. what animal i can use for my avatar? Let me know which one is allowed on NLSC and why i cant see this kind of weird rule in forum rules? And sry if i cant use words Quality, Quantity or whats worst one and only original trademark UBR and i cant use stupid chicken pic, sry but for me account options are limited and i cant use it, because i feel whatever i choose your main target is to ban me and believe me i will not give you this satisfaction.

From now on, i dont want to hear or read any questions about this situation, because even talking or thinking about this situation is simple pathetic. Im really cool dude, those who knows me via pm, they know im, but lvl of hate and ability to not listen of my arguments from nlsc team members let me thinking im not welcome here. Ofc whole thing started long time ago not now.

[eustachy1]

bigh0rt, i thought we have ended our conversation long time ago, right? or should i post public all your pms directed into my person? Maybe i should ask you to choose avatar for me? If my previous funny chicken is not allowed. I think you should review whole forum to find any other chicken avatar, because it can hurts someone BIG EGO. Btw. what animal i can use for my avatar? Let me know which one is allowed on NLSC and why i cant see this kind of weird rule in forum rules? And sry if i can use words Quality, Quantity or whats worst one and only original trademark UBR and i cant use stupid chicken pic, sry but for me account options are limited and i cant use it, because i feel whatever i choose your main target is to ban me and believe me i will not give you this satisfaction.

From now on, i dont want to hear or read any questions about this situation, because even talking or thinking about this situation is simple pathetic. Im really cool dude, those who knows me via pm, they know im, but lvl of hate and ability to not listen of my arguments from nlsc team members let me thinking im not welcome here. Ofc whole thing started long time ago not now.

[bigh0rt]

bigh0rt, i thought we have ended our conversation long time ago, right? or should i post public all your pms directed into my person? Maybe i should ask you to choose avatar for me? If my previous funny chicken is not allowed. I think you should review whole forum to find any other chicken avatar, because it can hurts someone BIG EGO. Btw. what animal i can use for my avatar? Let me know which one is allowed on NLSC and why i cant see this kind of weird rule in forum rules? And sry if i can use words Quality, Quantity or whats worst one and only original trademark UBR and i cant use stupid chicken pic, sry but for me account options are limited and i cant use it, because i feel whatever i choose your main target is to ban me and believe me i will not give you this satisfaction.

From now on, i dont want to hear or read any questions about this situation, because even talking or thinking about this situation is simple pathetic. Im really cool dude, those who knows me via pm, they know im, but lvl of hate and ability to not listen of my arguments from nlsc team members let me thinking im not welcome here. Ofc whole thing started long time ago not now.

I'd just like you not to lie and say that you have been stripped of your privelages to have your own avatar and custom title, when that is not true. And, if anybody here wanted you banned, or there were some personal vendetta against you, I can assure you that it certainly would have happened by now. If anything, you've been given much more lenience than many others, and probably than you deserve. Unfortunately, the Team Members at NLSC do not operate that way, contrary to your claims. Again, I do not wish to clutter your thread or take it off-topic, so please feel free to PM myself or any other team member should you want to discuss this further. Again, it is greatly appreciated that you not spread false lies, though.

[skoadam]

Now im liar? Is this some kind of skoadam privelages? Where did i lied? Who deleted my avatar, me? Please post here point from forum rules where i cant use avatar with chicken and i will agree that im not stripped of my privelages. How in the hell, chicken avatar can hurts some1 feelings if thats the problem. Can i change it to eagle? Should i ask via pm first, post my avatar or what. Let me know i want to follow the rules.

[che]

To lighten the mood a little, I'll report on my experience of actually playing this great mod for a bit (that's welcome here, right?)

A while ago I started a 14 game season with the Timberwolves using the 2004 roster and reached the playoffs (the usual 7 games per round). I just went back to it and finished the first round of the POs. I play on All-Star with 7min quarters and URB sliders but this is still URB V32 or V33, so no rebounding update.

Around the league, title candidates Lakers, Pacers & Pistons all astonishingly missed the playoffs but then the season was only 14 games long, so randomness was a big factor. Still my Wolves will have to get through the Kings, Spurs & Heat on the way to KG's first title, and the Mavs & Rockets will be formidable opponents also, should we meet.

Western Conference Round 1 Wolves vs Spurs
The 2 seed Wolves open the postseason at home to the 7th seed Spurs and the legendary Tim Duncan (gulp), so we get a worthy finals candidate and possibly the strongest opponent possible in the first round .

As it turns out, I'm worried for a good reason, as Timmy & co wipe the floor with me in a merciless 76-39 destruction in which they score almost double my points. Now I'm very and KG is up in his coaches face, looking all . As I do not only fear for my own existence but also dread a slightly angry Garnett going all genocidal and annihilating the twin cities If I don't deliver that precious ring he so craves, I decide to rethink my gameplan and play with a little more focus & concentration next time because these Spurs are apparently no joke.

I have three go-to options offensively:

1. Hit Garnett in the post (high or low) and let him either hit a cutter, go 1vs1, or draw the double and hit a shooter.
2. Pick&Roll with Cassell & Garnett. This is great because I get so many options, KG can roll to the rim and finish athletically, pop out for a high percentage jumper or Cassell can look for his own shot, either going all the way or stopping and popping somewhere around the FT line. All those options are valid and efficient but auto-playcall doesn't call those plays very often so I have to force them manually some more.
3. Let Cassell post up Tony Parker. Sam is really good at this and Parker is a nice matchup so I'll give him Post Up High as Play Type but it's not the most reliable play of all time since I will usually get a contested step back/ hop step/ fadeaway jumper out of this and not an easier shot but the Wolves are a jump shooting team, so...

Spree, Hoijberg & Wally all can run a P&R, they can hit open shots either in the half court or transition and Gary Trent can post up but all other options beside the listed three are basically prayers against this San Antonio defense, so my offense basically dies when Cassell & Garnett are both out of the game. Smart as I am I decide this can't happen to much .
Besides is it really difficult for me to run a P&R with guys who are not good passers. While Spree, Wally & Fred can hunt their own shot if the defense focuses on the roll man and they get left open they have huge problems hitting the roll man in stride if the defense takes away the shot, most still get intercepted. With Garnett this still works because he can pop out and that pass is easy but good luck running a clean Wally/Olowokandi P&R.

Another strategic element will be to just hope to god the Spurs don't notice that Trenton Hassell is out there and that he can't do anything with a basketball, sound thinking if you ask me...

I'm basically gonna abuse the fact that Garnett is surrendering his free will to me and I'll turn him from a playmaker to a scorer. He has all the tools to abuse fools in the post but always lacked that Kobe-style "me first" mindset, which I think is a weakness when he's playing on crap lottery teams but also great strength when you pair him with other good players like Ainge did in Boston, his willingness to fit himself into a team concept is a major reason why I consider the guy to be top 10 all-time in terms of ability.

Furthermore I'll forego all but the clearest of fast breaking opportunites, for the chances of me messing up, getting the ball stolen and conceding a layup in turn are way too high. Our half court offense is reliable and Pop's men shall have to work hard for every single point.

Defensively I'll try to not do anything fancy and just stay in front of the ballhandler, as I've had bad experiences getting victimised on rim cuts when playing off-ball defense. The guys who can hurt me are Parker who will be given space to shoot (go under P&Rs) and Duncan who I'll try to cover 1vs1 with Garnett. I can't really double him because he's great at finding shooters and the Spurs have those. Also I have some technical difficulties when doubling, because the double team button alsways sends the closest preimeter player to help, which is a bad idea since his man is one pass away & Duncan makes those passes & Parker/Turkoglu & co hit those kickouts at near a 100% clip. Is there a better way than to manually switch to a weakside preimeter guy and and run him all the way over to Timmy? Doubling with my C would also be bad as Rasho is smart enough to cut to the rim for an easy dunk.

Surprisingly '04 Manu Ginobili is nowhere near GINOBLIII!!!!! level yet, over the course of this series Spree will put the cuffs on him and he'll get outscored by Bruce Bowen.

So the plan is "No Drives, No Threes" (except for Tony, he can shoot jumpers all day), Kevin approves , I get to live another day (wipes sweat of face).


The next few games I play with the utmost respect for the Spurs and as concentrated as humanly possible (not exaggerating at all ) and this happens:


I don't know a better way of screenshotting all the scores of a series in a single screen. All the games were close and went down to the final minute, Game 2 went into overtime and I won by a single point. This felt like this year's Spurs - Clippers series or the Spurs - Grizzlies a few years ago where San Antonio swept Memphis but all the game swere close and I believe 3 of 4 went into OT. One of the best virtual series I played, maybe even THE best (although I distinctly remember a great Shaq vs Kobe finals in 2k7, which went to 7 and I hit a Kobe game winning three in Shaq's face in one game, good times).

As you can see in the screenshot I didn't trust anybody but Garnett with the ball after that disastrous GM 1, 19 shots in 27 minutes, wow .
Everything came together as I gradually figured out how to score efficiently with him (& later Cassell) and he usually took over the game during the final minute, doing it all, clutch drives, clutch jumpers, clutch passes and especially in GM 4 clutch defense, as he stripped Duncan two times on 1on1 post ups during the final two minutes (I just stayed in front of Timmy and cut off the way to the basket and Kevin stole the ball on his own, very nice ).
I really like how the auto play call system only calls plays for the teams star player during the final minute or two, for me & the AI.

Duncan was always dangerous and the focal point as usual but I'm suprised as how effective you can defend him with KG if you concentrate on not making mistakes. OTOH it felt a bit easy to score in the post with Garnett at times. I mean I often got clean dunks on simple hook drives & spin drives vs Tim Duncan! Maybe it's the game's fault as some moves are easier than others as I could replicate some of it with Gary Trent (whom I don't know well, admittedly) but in this mod Kevin Garnett is all powerful in the post. I know he was a great (if infrequent) post player in his time but his combination of skill (post moves), explosive athleticism & shooting ability seems unguardable for the AI. His physique and shooting would make him an effective scorer on the block even with mediocre moves I think, does he need that great Post Off?
Maybe it's not a problem at all it just feels overkill. But then a guy like Kobe also feels overkill because you can easily score with him in even more ways. Playing as Kobe is so fun to me because you score seamlessly, that he gets enough points in the 1st quarter for the AI to straight double him after that and then you get a new challenge, especially with a team like the '06 Lakers (who is he gonna pass to? ). With Kevin I usually only get doubled during the final minutes of the game and he has free reign before that but I'm not complaining about difficulty, I'm getting close & challenging games at All-Star afterall.

What I noticed in this series is that the AI has a hard time getting dribble penetration, it seems easier to stay in front of your man than it seems for real life defenders, I don't remember Ginobili getting by me once, but Parker and also Hart definitely did a few times and then mostly went straight for a layup with a super speedy animation, when I think about it, blow by's usually happen when there is no help defense nea the rim to block the shot, maybe the AI factors this in and doesn't try to get to the cup when there's help lurking? Often they dance around me a bit to get an semi-open jumper off the dribble rather an the layup (those 15 footers also seem more efficient than well defended layups). Anyway the drive & kick game hardly exists.

This was fun, kinda sad to see the Spurs go down so early (like this year) but we have either the Mavs or Rockets waiting for us in the Conference Semis as they're currently duking it out at 2-2.

Btw, Trenton Hassell is (/was) a defensive stopper and should have more than 70 DEF, probably around 85-90. He's just plain useless the way he's rated, can't really do anything well (I deliberately avoid passing him the ball for fear of turnovers as if he were Tragic Johnson or the Kandi Man).

[MadbaLL]

nice wrap up @che

and yes, i agree about hassell - "He earned a reputation for being one of the NBA's best perimeter defenders."

[slimm44]

I'll give you guys a quick breakdown of why Trenton Hassell is rated how he is.

First, as I've stated before, I calculate Defensive Awareness by taking Defensive Rating and subtracting Defensive Win Shares from that number. If you look here, http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... etr01.html, you'll see that the best DRTG he ever posted was in 2004 at 103 and the same season he posted the most DWS at 2.3. He wasn't good enough to be given versions (he was HORRENDOUS on offense and was statistically bad on defense) so, really, I was being generous with a 70. That 2004 season, he would have had a combined 100.7 score with my scale being 92.5 to 115. His average from EVERY other season combined would have been around 111 which would have given him somewhere around a 50 rating.

What's his on ball defensive rating set at in the roster? In the spreadsheet (after the current updates) he is at 85. That should make him a stout on-ball defender. From what I remember, he was solid on-ball, didn't take many risks, didn't get many steals, didn't get many blocks, and made his living challenging shots and playing solid, textbook defense. A 70 in DEF AWA and 85 in On Ball Defense should replicate that.

[che]

madball, thanks

slimm, slight misunderstanding here. BY DEF rating I meant the on-ball defense rating (ingame its abbreviated as DEF) and that's at 70. If it were 85 like you sugested, it'd be perfect in my eyes. I have no qualms with his DefAw rating, especially after you already explained to me how that one works.

while we're at it, you have given current Kobe P&R Ball Handler as his only Play Type, you sure about that? I'd give him Post Up High & Isolation but I watched only 1-2 games last season.

and some more suggestions:

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have a look at Shaun Livingston's Post Up Tendency (0), it should be higher for him to post up in freelance mode, right?
'15 & '16 Paul Pierce SF/SG -> SF/PF
'15 & '16 Joe Johnson SF/SG -> SF/PF
Dwight Howard C/PF -> C/-
have a look at Adrian Dantley's Post Up related tendencies and Play Types


I have encountered 2 rather big problems with the game crashing reproducably. First happens when starting a season using the UltraRosterBase, it usually crashes when simming the 2nd day of the season, so it's not possible to play or sim a full season. That doesn't happen with other rosters, I re-downloaded the latest one again and even reinstalled the game. Can you guys please test if that happens to you, too with the URB?

The second crash when starting a (any) game right after the screen where you can opt to either press A start the game or START to view lineups and change defensive settings. It crashes straight to the desktop, no notificitaions or nothing, the application just closes. This one doesn't happen always but often enough to cause huge frustration, since lately it's very common in season/playoff mode. So i was unable to play the first few game sof the 2nd round of my T-Wolves PO's which I reported on. I tried like 5-6 times and it always crashed before I got into the game, so simmed games one by one and could finally play game 5 (down 3-1). I won two and now can't start game 7 which I refuse to sim, so I'm stuck. As I said, I already reinstalled the game.

[slimm44]

madball, thanks

slimm, slight misunderstanding here. BY DEF rating I meant the on-ball defense rating (ingame its abbreviated as DEF) and that's at 70. If it were 85 like you sugested, it'd be perfect in my eyes. I have no qualms with his DefAw rating, especially after you already explained to me how that one works.

while we're at it, you have given current Kobe P&R Ball Handler as his only Play Type, you sure about that? I'd give him Post Up High & Isolation but I watched only 1-2 games last season.

and some more suggestions:

Code: Select all

have a look at Shaun Livingston's Post Up Tendency (0), it should be higher for him to post up in freelance mode, right?
'15 & '16 Paul Pierce SF/SG -> SF/PF
'15 & '16 Joe Johnson SF/SG -> SF/PF
Dwight Howard C/PF -> C/-
have a look at Adrian Dantley's Post Up related tendencies and Play Types


I have encountered 2 rather big problems with the game crashing reproducably. First happens when starting a season using the UltraRosterBase, it usually crashes when simming the 2nd day of the season, so it's not possible to play or sim a full season. That doesn't happen with other rosters, I re-downloaded the latest one again and even reinstalled the game. Can you guys please test if that happens to you, too with the URB?

The second crash when starting a (any) game right after the screen where you can opt to either press A start the game or START to view lineups and change defensive settings. It crashes straight to the desktop, no notificitaions or nothing, the application just closes. This one doesn't happen always but often enough to cause huge frustration, since lately it's very common in season/playoff mode. So i was unable to play the first few game sof the 2nd round of my T-Wolves PO's which I reported on. I tried like 5-6 times and it always crashed before I got into the game, so simmed games one by one and could finally play game 5 (down 3-1). I won two and now can't start game 7 which I refuse to sim, so I'm stuck. As I said, I already reinstalled the game.

I am currently updating A LOT of subjective ratings, ie layup, dunk, dit, on ball d, etc. He was at 70 but he'll be 85 when I release these updates. I think I have around 5k players left to edit.

Kobe should have Iso as initial play type, then High Post, then PNR. I'll make sure to recheck him before I release updates.

I have no idea about the crash. That's a Sko question.

[MadbaLL]

@che

i think you cannot edit players' postition season by season. i think one player can have only one position (or double position) set for whole career. regards to that, paul pierce main position to majority of his career was SF/SG, also joe johnson's, while dwight howard played sometimes PF during his orlando magic days.

so i think current positions are ok.

[MadbaLL]

I think I have around 5k players left to edit.

i really admire your dedication and motivation to this, slimm...

[dangerzone1]

ratings are terribly done. Most players have unrealistically low 3pt rating while some players have too high a rating. Westbrook 63 from 3? and KG 99 from Mid???

[bigh0rt]

ratings are terribly done. Most players have unrealistically low 3pt rating while some players have too high a rating. Westbrook 63 from 3? and KG 99 from Mid???

I believe Slimm's ratings are entirely data driven and performance based from an objective standpoint. Having worked with him in the past I can say his ratings are the best I've ever seen, with a more solid ground than anyone else I've ever seen. It's difficult to see through the subjectivity, but Slimm is A+ with ratings, period. As long as Westbrook's 3PT rating produces a reasonable 3PT% for him, the rating is solid. Same for KG from midrange, where I suspect the data says he's incredible on a site like 82games.com or HoopData or somewhere similar.

[che]

ratings are terribly done. Most players have unrealistically low 3pt rating while some players have too high a rating. Westbrook 63 from 3? and KG 99 from Mid???

Try playing it.
Ratings are a means to an end and after a few months it's still incredible to me how much players feel like their real life counterparts with slimm's ratings. KG moves like KG, Pierce feels heavier and less agile than Kobe, etc. The ratings will reward you for playing to a player's strengths but punish you if try stuff outside their skillset. You can pop midrange J's with KG all day long if open but he will have terrible efficiency if he tries dribble pull-ups with a defender nearby. Sam Cassell can post up and comfortably shoot over smaller PG's but can't hit a hook shot to save his life (sometimes I mess up controls ), Dame Lillard has a 72 3PT rating but can cross people up and drain them off the bounce. People can actually hit threes with a rating in the 60's but it's not reliable at all, just how it should be for dudes like GOATbrook & Kobe.


madball, I believe you are wrong, just look at '00 Shawn Marion being a SF and '05 Marion being a PF/SF in the urb. Or from the same '00 Suns team, Penny is a SG/PG then but a PG/SG with the Magic in the '90s. Garnett has SF as primary position during the '90s etc.

[MadbaLL]

madball, I believe you are wrong, just look at '00 Shawn Marion being a SF and '05 Marion being a PF/SF in the urb. Or from the same '00 Suns team, Penny is a SG/PG then but a PG/SG with the Magic in the '90s. Garnett has SF as primary position during the '90s etc.

really? i didn't notice that, my bad then...

if that's the case, boris diaw during his atlanta hawks days should have postition set as SG/SF because that's what he played then.

[slimm44]

ratings are terribly done. Most players have unrealistically low 3pt rating while some players have too high a rating. Westbrook 63 from 3? and KG 99 from Mid???

Oh, you mean Russell Westbrook, the PG who's best 3pt shooting season was 33% and his career average is 30%? The guy who shot 29.9% on 288 attempts last year?

And Kevin Garnett, who shoots a CAREER average of 45.4% from 16-23ft and has has had multiple seasons where he has shot at least 47%? The same guy who shot 49.7% from mid-range last season?

Man...you need to go on and sit down somewhere.

[eustachy1]

slimm44 best rating in the world !