Any news about NBA 2K15 for PC?

[RashbaNor]

Steam has an offline mode so you can even play games in your library that don't require you to be online...

Yep, but first you have to activate those games when online. Besides, the Steam's 'offline-mode' won't work infinitely with some games and there are games which don't support 'offline-mode' at all.

Having to be online to play an offline mode is so retarded

You can repeat this as many times as you want... but that will not change anything.

That's just how life works. You can't eat a cookie and have a cookie. That would be perfect, yeah... but you want to have next-gen graphics, you want to have all features from the console version, you want online gameplay to work flawlessly, you want to be able to mod the hell out of the game, you want Visual Concepts to patch the game ASAP, you want their servers to be super stable, you want great AI, you want perfect animations, you want superb gameplay and at the same time you're not letting them secure the game and secure their cost effectiveness. That's just unreasonable and unrealistic.

[shadowgrin]

Steam has an offline mode so you can even play games in your library that don't require you to be online...

Yep, but first you have to activate those games when online. Besides, the Steam's 'offline-mode' won't work infinitely with some games and there are games which don't support 'offline-mode' at all.

I know, thus that bolded phrase because it's not Steam that requires you to be always online, it's the games that have it and make you do it.
Steam's offline mode can work 'infinitely' provided that the game allows it, like I said it's not Steam that makes you to be always online, it's the game's.
Obviously some games don't support offline mode at all, like multiplayer games.

I'm not saying online is bad...online activation for a new game is one thing but needing to be online every time you need to play an offline mode is another thing, it's retarded.

And I choose to keep repeating that because stopping so doesn't make it any less retarded.

[RashbaNor]

And I choose to keep repeating that because stopping so doesn't make it any less retarded.

Well... OK, if that makes you happy or gives you a sense of accomplishment.
I'm not here to argue to bitter end or fight to death. All I'm saying is you have to be reasonable. You want to receive a good product? Usually you have to sacrifice something in return. Sometimes you have to buy a proper controller, sometimes you have to upgrade your hardware, sometimes you have to get more network bandwidth, sometimes you have to pay subscription fee, sometimes you have to invest in a new console, sometimes you have to stay connected.
I'll be fine with always-online requirement as long as I can play properly developed next-gen version of NBA 2k on PC.

[shadowgrin]

What do those have to do with developers restricting access to offline game modes by requiring you to be always online?

Other than the often cop-out excuse of the piracy issue give me a good reason why offline modes should be required to have always online access?

The reasons you've given so far are it's your preference because it doesn't bother you as much and the hope that the PC version will have the same features as consoles, which don't really say why online requirement for offline features aren't retarded.

[RashbaNor]

The reasons you've given so far are it's your preference because it doesn't bother you as much and the hope that the PC version will have the same features as consoles, which don't really say why online requirement for offline features aren't retarded.

Read what I wrote couple of posts ago. If you don't agree with me - fine, I don't really care. But don't count on devs doing something which is not sensible from business perspective and that's what I was trying to explain. Maybe I did a bad job.

[ThePointForward]

Hi guys! I'm new here and I tried to communicate with some of you via Youtube, but it didn't work. It bugged me that you're still speculating and hoping, while there is no hope, imho, so I registered in order to let you know the following:

The German community has already lost hope for a next Gen release of the PC version and here's the reason:

On German amazon, they've already set the price tags: 70€ for the Next Gen versions (PS4/Xone), 50€ for the last gen console versions (360/PS3) and 30€ for the PC version (which was the price tag for last year's release, too)

http://www.amazon.de/2K-Sports-NBA-2K15 ... s=nba+2k15

If you don't trust me enough to use that URL, you can just visit German amazon and search for NBA 2K15 yourselves.

http://www.amazon.de

Note that it's possible that amazon redirects you to the English/American amazon, make sure you're still on the German site after you've copy/pasted the URL.

maybe next year =/

take care

Yes we're aware of German amazon price listing. Please read the whole thread and you'll understand why we think current gen port is still a great possibility.

[shadowgrin]

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I read your posts and all of it end up with regard to the business perspective, which is related to piracy...

Other than the often cop-out excuse of the piracy issue give me a good reason why offline modes should be required to have always online access?

[RashbaNor]

I read your posts and all of it end up with regard to the business perspective, which is related to piracy...

Yes, but I explained why it HAS TO be viewed from this perspective and why the profitability is so important when considering which features to implement. I wasn't just stating 'this is retarded' or 'this is not'. I was trying to bring some arguments and suggest solutions. Unfortunately, in most cases the perfect, flawless, ideal way to deal with a problem is completely unprofitable which makes it unacceptable. Yes, this is quite harsh, but that's the reality. This is why it's better to be reasonable than emotional about such things.

[shadowgrin]

I can call it retarded while still being reasonable because it is indeed retarded. Unfortunately in most cases the ideal profitable way to deal with the problem makes it look retarded compared to the ideal unprofitable way to deal with the problem. It may be harsh but the reality is it is still retarded.

So single-player (offline) game modes and features that doesn't necessarily need online access yet the game demands you to have online access to its save file is reasonable?
So potentially pissing off your paying consumers with required online access for simple offline modes and features or to access saved files just to profit from the non-paying individuals (pirates, which doesn't matter really because they aren't your consumers) that could potentially make you lose a percentage of your paying userbase is reasonable?

[RashbaNor]

Unfortunately... yes.
It is reasonable because non-paying, stealing individuals can really harm profits. That's why publishers are not 100% concentrated on the proper 'legal' userbase but they also have to focus on the other group - illegal users.
The source of this crap is, of course, piracy and all that jazz. But that is oversimplified point of view. The reality is more complex. And I don't think this forum is a place for analysis like 'how pirate mentality works' or 'where the piracy comes from'. That is a great topic for psychology forums.
The unfortunate conclusion stays the same for many years now: honest, paying. 'legal' users have to deal with crap because of pirates and crackers.

[ssp0929]

Unfortunately... yes.
It is reasonable because non-paying, stealing individuals can really harm profits. That's why publishers are not 100% concentrated on the proper 'legal' userbase but they also have to focus on the other group - illegal users.
The source of this crap is, of course, piracy and all that jazz. But that is oversimplified point of view. The reality is more complex. And I don't think this forum is a place for analysis like 'how pirate mentality works' or 'where the piracy comes from'. That is a great topic for psychology forums.
The unfortunate conclusion stays the same for many years now: honest, paying. 'legal' users have to deal with crap because of pirates and crackers.

No, honest, paying legal users have to deal with crap because of lazy developers.
This isn't a piracy issue. THIS IS A COMPETITION ISSUE.

2K has a virtual monopoly on NBA basketball games. EA Sports is hated and their product at the moment is horrendously bad.
It doesn't help that 2K is the only one making PC basketball games. If EA entered the PC market, 2K would respond with next-gen. You know why? Because the same thing happened with PES 14 and FIFA 14. EA made some dumbass excuse about PCs not being powerful enough. PES 14 had indeed ported over the Fox engine to the PC ports and virtually no problems, other than the fact that PES sucks; the port was fine just the game itself was never fun to begin with.

FIFA responded next year by porting the Ignite Engine over to the PC. GASP. Would this have happened without PES? Nope. Did this happen enough in spite of "PIRATES"? Yes. Piracy is a bullshit fallback excuse they have to fill their games with crap like Ubisoft does with UPlay, and its a reason to shift the blame to a scapegoat to justify releasing an inferior and horseshit product.

[RashbaNor]

No, honest, paying legal users have to deal with crap because of lazy developers.
This isn't a piracy issue. THIS IS A COMPETITION ISSUE.

When it comes to NBA 2k and it's current situation - you're right. But I wrote about the game development situation in general.

Piracy is a bullshit fallback excuse they have to fill their games with crap (...) and its a reason to shift the blame to a scapegoat to justify releasing an inferior and horseshit product.

I wish you were also right at this point but unfortunately piracy is still a real problem on PC platform. Just check your friendly neighbourhood torrent site.

[pistonnation]

No, honest, paying legal users have to deal with crap because of lazy developers.
This isn't a piracy issue. THIS IS A COMPETITION ISSUE.

When it comes to NBA 2k and it's current situation - you're right. But I wrote about the game development situation in general.

Piracy is a bullshit fallback excuse they have to fill their games with crap (...) and its a reason to shift the blame to a scapegoat to justify releasing an inferior and horseshit product.

I wish you were also right at this point but unfortunately piracy is still a real problem on PC platform. Just check your friendly neighbourhood torrent site.

Sorry but the fact is. Piracy HELPS companies sell their games. I could go on for hours, even write a book on how piracy does in fact help companies. BUT. I don't want to get any deeper than what we already have. And I promise you this 2K, and NLSC. I have NEVER Pirated ANY NBA 2K game. I have them ALL since 2K9. Still going strong. I plan on BUYING NBA 2K15 (of course) IF it is NG. If no NG (SHAME on you 2K Sports) than I will be FORCED to get the PS4 copy again... (NBA 2K14) I need my mods from here. I went a WHOLE year without Albys, Leftos, BabyFace, and all other other GREAT modders here. And I NEVER want to do that again.

[Andrew]

It should also be noted once again that 2K haven't ever said that piracy is an issue. That's just fan speculation as to why the PC version isn't a priority, not an official stance that has been put forth by 2K.

[Plaidshadow]

Wow, so after an hour and reading all 8 pages of this awesome thread, I must continue to keep the support for Pc Next Gen alive. I feel its very logical to hope for such things. I run a i4771 and a GForce GTX 760, and Watch Dogs (even the "e3" mod) works pretty well in ultra.Please keep the dream alive!

[TheBlackNerdyGamer]

Has the infamous 2K company broken any of you to buy the PS4 or the XBOX One just to play the 2K Next Gen? I am a victim of this, SMH...

[skoadam]

Heh, they never broke me, i was thinking about this last year, but im still here, no console in my house haha.

[Plaidshadow]

No console here either, I will however forgo buying this next one if its not next gen.

[ColumbusBobby23]

If we can't have any info on the PC version, could we get a specific date when that information might be revealed? Leftos? ...Anybody?

[Andrew]

Both companies will supposedly be revealing more information come August, so it might be a few more weeks yet. Once again, Leftos isn't at liberty to divulge information like that without the green light from marketing.

[Sauru]

so i know this is a pc thread but has there been any news about this game at all yet?

[Andrew]

Nope. No info nor preview media at this juncture.

[Sauru]

Nope. No info nor preview media at this juncture.

best guess on when those might start showing up? also what is the final roster date again?

[Andrew]

I believe we'll start to get some info in August. I'm guessing the roster cut-off will be late July to mid August, though with official roster updates that's no longer as big an issue as it once was.

[Sauru]

I believe we'll start to get some info in August. I'm guessing the roster cut-off will be late July to mid August, though with official roster updates that's no longer as big an issue as it once was.

guess i still have the old mentality when it comes to the roster and seeing so many unsigned players still it made me question the cut off. looking forward to the previews though i already paid for the game lol. when i finally bought my ps4 i just went a head and preordered 2k15 with it