Chicago Bulls Thread

[Valor]

I still cant believe they chose Dunleavy over Belinelli, Marco can actually create off the dribble, pass and play defense, what on earth does Gar Forman smoke in his office?

The Bulls didn't choose Dunleavy over Belinelli. Belinelli didn't want to stay with the Bulls.
iirc Belinelli signed with the Spurs for a lower salary instead of taking what was offered to him by the Bulls, which is the same amount offered to Dunleavy.

I thought the Bulls came to an agreement with Dunleavy first before Belinelli went to San Antonio? but anyhow that speaks volumes as to how bad the Bulls front office is.

[Andrew]

I don't think anyone dislikes Deng, nor disputes that he's a very good player and valuable to the Bulls. It's just that he has pretty much peaked and it's questionable as to whether he's truly capable of being the number two guy on a championship calibre team. With a fairly promising prognosis as far as the meniscus tear is concerned, Rose still has a good chance of coming back as good as he was before the ACL injury and from what we've seen in the past, it's fair to say he could be one of the top two players on a title winning squad if he's at that level again. With Deng, I'm not so sure. It's something the team has to consider when it comes to giving him a big extension, one that will limit other moves they can make down the road and likely take him into the downside of his career.

It's a tough decision, but one they have to consider before it's too late, as he's too good to lose for nothing if that can be avoided. There's a sense of urgency looming there, which is why I think more fans are open to the prospect of trading Deng, or perhaps come off as being too eager for the Bulls to pull the trigger. If they are looking to re-tool and move in a different direction, Deng also has the highest value of any player they'd feasibly trade, so his name is naturally going to be the one that's tossed around the most.

[NovU]

Spot on, I can't think of a team that won it all with Deng caliber player as a second best man. The closest thing would be 2004 Pistons off the top of my head. Even then it probably is a stretch.

How much do you guys expect he'd ask anyway? He's getting $14.x mil this season. I'm guessing he'd up that by couple mil at most? Perhaps it's a deal the Bulls could afford if they amnesty Boozer. But then Boozer possibly carries some value as an expiring contract and for still being a capable player(Amnesty still costs too). Amnestying also might turn out to be a move that haunt the Bulls in the future as he could sign cheap for the serious contender in East, or worse, to a same division rival.

[Andrew]

For what it's worth: Bulls' Rose not ruling out return this season

He still sees himself as a star, a cornerstone player, despite another major knee injury that brought his long-awaited return to a screeching halt. So he wasn't quite sure what to make of the idea.

Is it time for the Chicago Bulls to move on, to abandon the idea of building around him, given his injuries?

''What can I say to that?'' Rose said. Then, after a long pause, he added, ''You could be a fool if you want to. Dead serious. I know I'm going to be all right.''

In fact, he's not quite ruling out a return this season.

The superstar point guard left the door slightly open for a comeback in the playoffs if his surgically repaired right knee is healed - even though the team has said he will miss the rest of the year.

[Moz]

He's probably avoiding getting the same criticism he got from last year (though this injury is not as worse).... and this is why I say it's all management's decision to sit him out...

[MJALLDAY]

Spot on, I can't think of a team that won it all with Deng caliber player as a second best man. The closest thing would be 2004 Pistons off the top of my head. Even then it probably is a stretch.

How much do you guys expect he'd ask anyway? He's getting $14.x mil this season. I'm guessing he'd up that by couple mil at most? Perhaps it's a deal the Bulls could afford if they amnesty Boozer. But then Boozer possibly carries some value as an expiring contract and for still being a capable player(Amnesty still costs too). Amnestying also might turn out to be a move that haunt the Bulls in the future as he could sign cheap for the serious contender in East, or worse, to a same division rival.

2011 Mavs.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Heat lost today because of this:

December 5th

Miami @ Chicago

Thanks man!

[Andrew]

Joke's old, but I have no complaints about the result.

As for Deng, I imagine he'll seek a similar deal to the one he has now, in the $13-15 million range. It's possible that someone else might want to pay him that much, though I don't think he'd have much leverage to get more than that.

[erudain]

A couple thoughts about last night:

- 2mins in the game and we already saw bad reffing. There's a special place in hell for bad refs.
Joey Crawford already has 50acres farm booked.
- Rookie Snell also showing high IQ great effort kid.
- We missed a ton of FTs, as usual, they are called "free" for something.
- Taj keep it up and you'll go for 6th man this year, and start next year if we let Booz go.
- Delays of game are not called on divas.
- Lebron hates Kirk, you can see it, now Cole will also hate him. He got into the kid's head and never let go.
- excuses, excuses, excuses..."well they don't have Wade and Birdman"..... we are so healthy they are thinking on vetoing Obamacare.

This and Pacers game are the best games this year....then you lose to Detroit, Cleveland and New Orleans...SMH

Erudain

[SoF'nAwesome]

Not excuses man, facts. Of course we will give Bulls some credit but it was more our faultiness than their quality.

[erudain]

I was making fun of Reggie Miller, Shaq and the rest of the crew, who kept saying all game long that the reason the Heat was getting torched was that they didn't have Wade and Andersen...and never added a "Well, Chicago is also torching them without Rose & Butler"

[NovU]

I was making fun of Reggie Miller, Shaq and the rest of the crew, who kept saying all game long that the reason the Heat was getting torched was that they didn't have Wade and Andersen...and never added a "Well, Chicago is also torching them without Rose & Butler"

Yeah it's always stupid when media don't give credits to where it's really due.

- Rookie Snell also showing high IQ great effort kid.

How is his game btw?

[erudain]

He was drafted as 3pt shooter with also great D.
He has showed in the pre-season and in the few games he played, that he can also handle the ball decently and bring it up-court. His D is average so far, but it's obvious these is because of a lack of experience and play time.

If you want to compare him to someone, my guess is he's a Kawhi Leonard project

[NovU]

Cool.

It might be kinda relevant to Deng situation and CBA. The Thunder were forced to trade Harden and let Kevin Mart walk. Then decided to take chances on very young cheap labor in Reggie Jackson and Lamb in their minutes. They might not be anything special but passable at the very least. So perhaps nice development of Butler and Snell would make things bit easier to lose Deng. All that while keeping the flexibility.

[erudain]

Interesting read for Bulls fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1877 ... in-the-nba

Have seen him play live & direct and the kid is good, some people are hoping for him to be the 2nd coming of Tony Kukoc...i'm gonna be greedy, I want him to be the 2nd coming of Dirk

[Andrew]

Even if he turns out to be a dependable role player with a skillset similar to Dirk's, that's a pretty decent player to have around.

[Moz]

I was making fun of Reggie Miller, Shaq and the rest of the crew, who kept saying all game long that the reason the Heat was getting torched was that they didn't have Wade and Andersen...and never added a "Well, Chicago is also torching them without Rose & Butler"

Perhaps the reason is that the Heat are getting outrebounded and Lebron is having an off-night hence the need of Andersen and Wade on the line-up... nonetheless the Bulls indeed played great especially on the defensive end...

Of what I'm seeing of Snell, his basketball IQ is great and he's been gaining a lot of confidence since his first start... I reckon he's more helpful than Dunleavy so far... I thought that when they got Dunleavy he will be a bigger Bellineli but so far he's been a Korver 2.0 (maybe they need to shop Dunleavy?) And Mirotic? I reckon he's a sixth man type of player and I prefer Taj in the starting role if ever they got rid of Boozer...

[deihatein]

Interesting read for Bulls fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1877 ... in-the-nba

Have seen him play live & direct and the kid is good, some people are hoping for him to be the 2nd coming of Tony Kukoc...i'm gonna be greedy, I want him to be the 2nd coming of Dirk

It is never a good idea to compare Dirk to anyone or even have a "2nd coming of Dirk". They might turn into Yi Jianlian

[_Steve_]

Yap! I also have not seen any 2nd Kukoc so far...

[shadowgrin]

Interesting read for Bulls fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1877 ... in-the-nba

Have seen him play live & direct and the kid is good, some people are hoping for him to be the 2nd coming of Tony Kukoc...i'm gonna be greedy, I want him to be the 2nd coming of Dirk

It is never a good idea to compare Dirk to anyone or even have a "2nd coming of Dirk". They might turn into Yi Jianlian

Please, Yi Jianlian was supposed to be the Chinese KG. Too bad none of his previous NBA teams played him at PG.

I believe the players you're looking for with the supposed Dirk comparison are Tskitishvili, Bargnani, and Gallinari.

[erudain]

Another Euro player that seems will be making the NBA next year is Bojan Bogdanovic...i don't know if any of you is old enough to have seen him play, but he has a lot of Drazen Petrovic in his game.
Miami traded him to the Wolves for Norris Cole, lets see if that was a hit or a miss

[air gordon]

interesting discussion going on here about deng. sorry to say but he arguably was the 3rd best player on that 2011 team. you can't pay that type of player the money he will be seeking. i can't fault Deng and his agent for pursuing it. it's deng's last chance at a big contract.

which leads to... what is Deng's trade value??? considering his age and expiring contract, i don't see any team willing to trade a lottery pick or young stud for him. Would Bulls fans be content with a Rudy Gay-type of return that Toronto received??? i'd be happy if Bulls could get that for Boozer

erudain- im glad someone had the guts to post someone kind of rebuild plan. i can't get myself to look at the particulars regarding the CBA and the teams payroll situation since rose got injured.

perhaps this is just not for Valor- do you realize Thibbs only goes 7-8 deep because he can't trust anyone else on the roster?? That 2011 team went 10 deep. The bogans argument is just silly. It was Korver at SG closing out games with Brewer spelling him on defense.

I thought the Bulls came to an agreement with Dunleavy first before Belinelli went to San Antonio? but anyhow that speaks volumes as to how bad the Bulls front office is.

You can't be serious using a decision made on a bench player as to why the bulls front office is bad

[NovU]

This don't sound like air_gord I know, who was totally ok with Nets overpaying everybody.

[Andrew]

which leads to... what is Deng's trade value??? considering his age and expiring contract, i don't see any team willing to trade a lottery pick or young stud for him. Would Bulls fans be content with a Rudy Gay-type of return that Toronto received??? i'd be happy if Bulls could get that for Boozer

I suppose realistically, that's what they'd be getting, but I do wonder if there's a team out there that would overpay for him in a trade. Don't suppose we can get Isiah Thomas to fill in somewhere while Gar Forman tries to hammer out a deal.

[air gordon]

This don't sound like air_gord I know, who was totally ok with Nets overpaying everybody.

the wicked do not forget lol..
the bulls ownership is headed by Jerry Reinsdorf, not Mikhail Prokhorov. Perhaps Andrew can explain if you still don't understand.

I suppose realistically, that's what they'd be getting, but I do wonder if there's a team out there that would overpay for him in a trade. Don't suppose we can get Isiah Thomas to fill in somewhere while Gar Forman tries to hammer out a deal.

why wonder?

Deng > Gay. The Bulls should in theory get a better deal. i am skeptical given the front office's history in trades or lack or getting trades done.