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Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:26 am

Can anyone help me with the settings? Especially how to edit the config file to force the game to use all of my CPU Cores? I need to get to a solid 60 fps, to play online without problems.

My specs:

GPU: Geforce 9600 GT
CPU: Quad Core 4x2,4 GHz
Ram: 8 GB

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:59 pm

Is everyone using the in-game benchmark to test their frame rate?
It's been my experience that the benchmark was broken in the 2k12 update last year and remains broken in 2k13.
Can someone else try using Fraps or something similar and then try running the benchmark to compare? How close are they?

These have been my observations while trying to get this game to run smoothly since 2k12. My specs are in my sig, they're not amazing but they aren't terrible either. These suggestions may be AMD specific, but I think they should apply to both AMD and Nvidia graphic cards.

-I have the same frame rate in 2k13 that I had in 2k12 but the stuttering I had last year seems to be fixed
-As mentioned before, in-game benchmark seems to broken - Use something else to check your frame rate or at least to compare too
-"Vsync always on" in CCC has no effect in-game
-In-game Vsync works fine but is reported incorrectly by the in-game benchmark - For me the IGB show 110fps with vsync off and 50-53fps with vsync on- Fraps correctly reports 60fps with vsync on
-Using AA settings in-game causes graphic issues - when using the AA setting in-game along with v-sync Fraps shows 60fps but the game seems to have an odd stutter like effect to it - Use CCC or NCP to force AA
-Messing with the config file does nothing for me but possibly mess things up

Recap:
-Use Fraps or something similar
-Force AA outside the game- off in-game
-If your going to use V-Sync use in-game
-don't mess with the config file

Sorry for the long post. Again these are just my observations and may not be the same for everyone but I hope it helps.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:37 pm

I noticed the benchmark reports 15-20 lower than FRAPS for me.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:35 pm

alan wrote:Is everyone using the in-game benchmark to test their frame rate?
It's been my experience that the benchmark was broken in the 2k12 update last year and remains broken in 2k13.
Can someone else try using Fraps or something similar and then try running the benchmark to compare? How close are they?

These have been my observations while trying to get this game to run smoothly since 2k12. My specs are in my sig, they're not amazing but they aren't terrible either. These suggestions may be AMD specific, but I think they should apply to both AMD and Nvidia graphic cards.

-I have the same frame rate in 2k13 that I had in 2k12 but the stuttering I had last year seems to be fixed
-As mentioned before, in-game benchmark seems to broken - Use something else to check your frame rate or at least to compare too
-"Vsync always on" in CCC has no effect in-game
-In-game Vsync works fine but is reported incorrectly by the in-game benchmark - For me the IGB show 110fps with vsync off and 50-53fps with vsync on- Fraps correctly reports 60fps with vsync on
-Using AA settings in-game causes graphic issues - when using the AA setting in-game along with v-sync Fraps shows 60fps but the game seems to have an odd stutter like effect to it - Use CCC or NCP to force AA
-Messing with the config file does nothing for me but possibly mess things up

Recap:
-Use Fraps or something similar
-Force AA outside the game- off in-game
-If your going to use V-Sync use in-game
-don't mess with the config file

Sorry for the long post. Again these are just my observations and may not be the same for everyone but I hope it helps.

I got a Q6600, 8GB ram and ASUS HD5770 1GB specs. But i'm getting better FPS than yours mate. Btw im running my cpu and gpu on stock speeds. and it's all maxed out MSAA 8x in game 1400x900 resolution.
actually I'm getting 75FPS on fraps. didn't tried that in game benchmark. When I turn off V-Sync and MSAA in game I get 120FPS. but the game stutters a lot. any solution for this??
I forgot to tell you I've optimized Config.cfg to NBA 2K12's settings.

sorry for my bad english!! :D

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:38 pm

How do you optimize the config file so you get maximum performance?

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:32 pm

benji wrote:I noticed the benchmark reports 15-20 lower than FRAPS for me.


It's been like that for me since 2k11. I wonder if the benchmark starts before the game shows it, and then it starts averaging out. I used to see the benchmark slowly increase throughout its duration, that's why I think it might be counting frames before it shows it is.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:41 pm

J Smoove wrote:I got a Q6600, 8GB ram and ASUS HD5770 1GB specs. But i'm getting better FPS than yours mate. Btw im running my cpu and gpu on stock speeds. and it's all maxed out MSAA 8x in game 1400x900 resolution.
actually I'm getting 75FPS on fraps. didn't tried that in game benchmark. When I turn off V-Sync and MSAA in game I get 120FPS. but the game stutters a lot. any solution for this??
I forgot to tell you I've optimized Config.cfg to NBA 2K12's settings.

sorry for my bad english!! :D


You have a higher frame rate because I'm playing at a higher resolution than you (1920x1080) The rest of your questions I answered above...

alan wrote:Recap:
-Use Fraps or something similar
-Force AA outside the game- off in-game
-If your going to use V-Sync use in-game
-don't mess with the config file



Delete your modified config file, force AA in CCC and turn on vsync in game. This should hopefully equal smooth gameplay for you.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:43 pm

I've seen it sometimes start at like 15 and go all the way up to 50 by the end. I think it's a running average of the entire period which is why it stops changing during the last ten seconds or so.

It does that slow crawl even though it visually looks the same the entire period it's running.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:01 pm

Pdub wrote:
benji wrote:I noticed the benchmark reports 15-20 lower than FRAPS for me.


It's been like that for me since 2k11. I wonder if the benchmark starts before the game shows it, and then it starts averaging out. I used to see the benchmark slowly increase throughout its duration, that's why I think it might be counting frames before it shows it is.


Sorry, I think I should have been more specific. When I say the 2k12 update broke the benchmark, I'm referring to how it works with V-Sync on.

I may be wrong, but I recall that 2k12 pre-patch and previous games would run the benchmark with V-sync off regardless of whether you had it on or off. When you run a benchmark, V-Sync shouldn't be taken into consideration because your measuring your system's performance. Their would be no need to benchmark any remotely decent system with V-sync on because they would all show 60fps.

Post-2k12 patch and now in 2k13 V-Sync does affect the benchmark. Why it's only showing 50-53fps instead of 60 I have no idea. It could definitely be some sort of weird average.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:19 pm

alan wrote:
J Smoove wrote:I got a Q6600, 8GB ram and ASUS HD5770 1GB specs. But i'm getting better FPS than yours mate. Btw im running my cpu and gpu on stock speeds. and it's all maxed out MSAA 8x in game 1400x900 resolution.
actually I'm getting 75FPS on fraps. didn't tried that in game benchmark. When I turn off V-Sync and MSAA in game I get 120FPS. but the game stutters a lot. any solution for this??
I forgot to tell you I've optimized Config.cfg to NBA 2K12's settings.

sorry for my bad english!! :D


You have a higher frame rate because I'm playing at a higher resolution than you (1920x1080) The rest of your questions I answered above...

alan wrote:Recap:
-Use Fraps or something similar
-Force AA outside the game- off in-game
-If your going to use V-Sync use in-game
-don't mess with the config file



Delete your modified config file, force AA in CCC and turn on vsync in game. This should hopefully equal smooth gameplay for you.

I tried deleting config file and then it got worse. I was getting 75 FPS but it was stuttering so much. :(
So I reverted back to the previous settings.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:18 pm

Is it stuttering during the same part of the game or at random? Add the 2k folders to an exception list on your anti virus so it does not scan them. Both the game directory and the saves and cache directory. If that doesn't work, and 2k is installed on a drive that does not hasn't a page file, create a page file for that drive.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:18 pm

Hi guys!
I bought NBA 2K13 and I have micro stuttering during gameplay. I am talking about OFFLINE games. I used FRAPS to measure frame rate and frame rate is at 60 fps all the time. Even when micro shuttering appears fps is at 60 steady. Ingame benchmark is between 50 fps and 54 fpsI had this problem in NBA 2k12 too.
I have good configuration (Phenom II X4 955, 7GB DDR3, GT 550 Ti 1GB DDR5) and it should run NBA 2K13 on MAX settings with no problem.
I tried to set AA in NVIDIA control panel but that didn't help.
My friend gave me his XBOX for couple of weeks and that was my major fault. I don't know did anybody of you played NBA 2K13 on XBOX. Gameplay is soooo fluid. You just can't believe it! Plays like 500 fps ! I can't believe it! If you didn't play on XBOX and have only PC, like I have, then you better don't even try it on XBOX. Gameplay on PC after XBOX experience sucks big time. Especially with all this micro stuttering problems that I have...One good thing, and maybe only, is that graphics on PC is much more sharper. But fluidity on XBOX...oh boy...why did I ever played the game on XBOX...

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:33 pm

I at least think, and I think some others agree, that the game stutters on hard drive reads for whatever reason. If you watch resource manager it'll stutter on significant HD usage. Like if you're downloading while playing, or steaming something or whatever.

There's also something in the engine that causes those stutters every so often. I assume it's how things are cached.

All of that said, the 360 version is doing 60fps at probably 1280x720 if that. You're adding millions more pixels plus AA and crap if you're using a sensible PC resolution.

An SSD likely eliminates them.

Re: PC specs

Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:07 pm

Pdub wrote:Is it stuttering during the same part of the game or at random? Add the 2k folders to an exception list on your anti virus so it does not scan them. Both the game directory and the saves and cache directory. If that doesn't work, and 2k is installed on a drive that does not hasn't a page file, create a page file for that drive.

It happens randomly. I've tried all that stuff you said. but no luck. :(

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:09 am

benji wrote:I at least think, and I think some others agree, that the game stutters on hard drive reads for whatever reason. If you watch resource manager it'll stutter on significant HD usage. Like if you're downloading while playing, or steaming something or whatever.


Why would vegetables cause a game to stutter?

ckibunenko wrote:My friend gave me his XBOX for couple of weeks and that was my major fault. I don't know did anybody of you played NBA 2K13 on XBOX. Gameplay is soooo fluid. You just can't believe it! Plays like 500 fps ! I can't believe it! If you didn't play on XBOX and have only PC, like I have, then you better don't even try it on XBOX. Gameplay on PC after XBOX experience sucks big time. Especially with all this micro stuttering problems that I have...One good thing, and maybe only, is that graphics on PC is much more sharper. But fluidity on XBOX...oh boy...why did I ever played the game on XBOX...


I have been playing on the Xbox360, and it has framerate issues as well. Anytime there is a close up of a player, checking replays, even the menu during games has frame issues. Don't be fooled. The gameplay has been 60 fps smooth for me, though. Your friend might have some feature enabled on his HDTV that smooths the game out making it look like 120 fps. I have a feature on my 120hz LG TV called Trumotion that interpolates frames and makes motion images incredibly smooth but can cause visual artifacts and controller input lag. It basically takes the 60 fps and turns it into 120 with some processing.

I will pick up my PC version some time this week. I'm not even sure why other than not being able to get the satisfying MyCareer experience out of the 360 version without hacking the file to increase the game and player speed to get rid of the dynamic action replay gameplay crap. They might as well have made it like Diablo 3 and just have you pointing and clicking to perform the predetermined actions. Not to mention the shit never saves my camera or playcalling settings. I guess I can just install mods or play you people online since you didn't get the real game that is on the 360.

Move your feet, fish can slide on land quicker than that.

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:11 am

Defragment your drive? End non-essential background processes? Increase NBA2k13.exe task priority to high in task manager?

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:14 am

Pdub wrote:Why would vegetables cause a game to stutter?

You don't control all your appliances from your PC? I'm pretty sure this is what Lord Gates wanted us to do back when he set forth the vision in 2000.

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:26 am

Pdub wrote:Defragment your drive? End non-essential background processes? Increase NBA2k13.exe task priority to high in task manager?

I defregment all my drives everytime. Yeah and i checked background processes too. nothing wrong going on.
im gonna try the priority thing now. thanks for the help bud. I really appreciate it. :applaud:

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:34 am

I have been playing on the Xbox360, and it has framerate issues as well. Anytime there is a close up of a player, checking replays, even the menu during games has frame issues. Don't be fooled. The gameplay has been 60 fps smooth for me, though. Your friend might have some feature enabled on his HDTV that smooths the game out making it look like 120 fps. I have a feature on my 120hz LG TV called Trumotion that interpolates frames and makes motion images incredibly smooth but can cause visual artifacts and controller input lag. It basically takes the 60 fps and turns it into 120 with some processing.


His XBOX is at my place and it is hooked with my 22" LG monitor. On XBOX it runs in 1280x720? benji wrote that and that gave me idea to try to lower my resolution on PC and see what will happen. I will also try things that you suggested in your previos post. You right about frame issues during replays on XBOX, but during play there isn't any issues.
Also it is interesting that for PC version now in NBA 2K13 there is no problem with Instant Replay but framerate issues were present in Instant Replay in both NBA 2K11&NBA2K13...
Thx!

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:14 am

If you tried my suggestions, and you still have issues here are some additional troubleshooting steps...

Delete your modified config.cfg file
In CCC or NCP, select "Restore Default settings"
Make sure AA is set to Off or 'Application default' in CCC or NCP
Make sure AA is set to Off in-game
Turn on V-Sync in-game

Does it still stutter?

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:59 am

alan wrote:If you tried my suggestions, and you still have issues here are some additional troubleshooting steps...

Delete your modified config.cfg file
In CCC or NCP, select "Restore Default settings"
Make sure AA is set to Off or 'Application default' in CCC or NCP
Make sure AA is set to Off in-game
Turn on V-Sync in-game

Does it still stutter?


It stutter but it is better than before. It still can't be compared to XBOX fluidity but it is better. I also tried with resolution 1280x720 and that helped a lot when it comes to fluidity. It is interesting that fraps shows 60 fps even whit lowest settings and 1280x720 resolution. When is all on MAX and resolution 1080p fraps again shows 60 fps. Interesting thing is that when I set 720p with low settings gameplay is so much fluid than on 1080p and max even when fraps shows same fps :roll:
I am also wondering how much joypad have influence on whole experience. XBOX joypad is so soft and good.

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:08 am

you are seeing 60 fps with all those different settings, because vsync is enabled in game.

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:18 am

Pdub wrote:you are seeing 60 fps with all those different settings, because vsync is enabled in game.

True story man. With Vsync off it is like playing drunk.

Re: PC specs

Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:30 pm

So I'm guessing the 2K series do not use the GPU for any sort of Physics related things. That sucks. It would take off so much of the load for the CPU. I just purchased NBA 2K13 after pondering on to purchase it or not due to the lack of some nice features.

I'll give 2K a chance to fix their wrongs in 2K14, and if they leave the PC version short compared to the less capable consoles, then I'm just going to mod my rarely used 360...and you know what I'm getting at. No money for them (even though its pocket change for the company.)
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