The 15 Legends Announced; Developer Insight #2

[Andrew]

That's probably a typo, the original reveal mentioned the '87 Celtics against the '87 Lakers. The '98 Jazz are in there twice though.

[shadowgrin]

Another thought: What happens if you play two teams from different eras against each other? Which rules/presentation are used?

Home team rules probably.

[Andrew]

Or perhaps the presentation/era-specific rules are only available within NBA's Greatest, with only those fifteen matchups being available within the mode.

[shadowgrin]

That is a greater possibility considering that 2K probably haven't thought of that simple suggestion (home rules). I'm really disappointed with their 'Greatest' mode.

So we went through each player's career and picked the time where we thought this player was at his peak or a team we thought was the most entertaining this player was on. We then pitted them against their rival, or in some cases, we put them against a team that we thought would just be fun for the user to play

B.S.
They could have made the 71-72 Lakers go against the 71-72 Bucks and have a younger Kareem (but was by then a beast already and not old like with the 86-87 Lakers). No offense to the 71-72 Knicks of course.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they overshot the peak of some players by a few years to say the least.

I really thought they'd adopt a similar model to the Jordan Challenge where you had to match certain statistical marks. I think that alone would greatly improve the mode even if there are missing players, some doubled-up teams and odd choices for some of the eras represented in certain player's careers. As it is, I think I'll be able to have fun with the mode and enjoy the classic teams but unless there are some more details to be revealed, they could've done a bit more with challenges and the like. It could just be a case of winning a game to unlock the teams, beat other challenges for 100% completion or whatever, but it seems like that would be something they mentioned in the Insight.

[shadowgrin]

It would be really disappointing if the challenge is just winning with the teams. It's basically exhibition games and not a game mode like the Jordan Challenges in 2K11.
If it ends up like that 2K only did what is comparable to a roster update to say the least.

[sideways]

Still no Charles Barkley?

[gabolifal]

It would be really disappointing if the challenge is just winning with the teams. It's basically exhibition games and not a game mode like the Jordan Challenges in 2K11.
If it ends up like that 2K only did what is comparable to a roster update to say the least.

But is the way it is man, they said it: if you win the game with the team of the player you choose, then you unlock both teams to exhibition... It's like playing exhibition to unlock exhibition... I'm very disappointed too.
And exactly, is not a mode for that matter.

[The X]

I like the fact they go different presentation styles & think PC patchers could do great things by adding more historical teams, as well as all-time teams.

Although surely this isn't the feature that is going to make people make it a must by in a lockout year like MJ was last year. Shame they didn't hold off MJ one more year.

[RedPhazon8]

I also heard that the teams will be better in terms of actual players. I think the count is around 10-12, that's nice because 2K11 had some 5 man teams...

[shadowgrin]

10-12 players in a team? Try 8.

[RedPhazon8]

Even so, isn't eight better then five?

[wabenne]

I know that these boards allow for everyones opinion so here is mine: I am shocked really by all of the negative comments rather it be disappointment with them putting the 76'ers on w/ no Barkley, the fact that all you have to do is win the game oppose to statistical challenges, disappointment with the pre-orders to get 2 teams...To me it is very easy to complain when you are the only competition, but i believe a lot of the complaints are simple are just easy to make without objectivity because 2k is so good you expect or put expectations that are not realistic or fair.

In other words this information that 2k has given is awesome, the fact that alot of players that weren't in 2k11 a great game is being added to 2k12...A younger shaq, David Robinson, Dream, Penny Hardawy, Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Oscar Robinson, I could go on and on...but yet people rather complain about barkely as someone how make it a disappointment with 2k as if its 2k fault that barkley doesn't want to give them the liscense or permission to create his likeness..Yes I loved the jordan challenges but come on guys its like 20 different teams there giving us, 15 different stars i mean that is a lot of work recreating statistical challenges for each team and players...the fact that we can relive these moments of rivalry's in 2011-2012 is amazing. But we complain about not have to score 100 points to advance, just be happy that they put WILT in the game and guess what you don't need a challange to try and score 100 points with him, do it and still win...I mean come on they have games in black and white....totally amazing...

And then we disappointed because the game that has no competition is trying to market and get pre-orders up by offereing 2 great teams with the pre-order that isn't disappointing just smart business. I haven't heard or seen anything disappointing yet considering that they have only improved the game by offering us more great legends how do you complain about that...Again just my opinion but i'm excited about 2k12 and what they are offering especially in a lockout year where it makes it harder for them to add rookies and know about FA because there is no NBA movement...yet they give us more....

[shadowgrin]

In other words this information that 2k has given is awesome, the fact that alot of players that weren't in 2k11 a great game is being added to 2k12...A younger shaq, David Robinson, Dream, Penny Hardawy, Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Oscar Robinson, I could go on and on...15 different stars i mean that is a lot of work recreating statistical challenges for each team and players...the fact that we can relive these moments of rivalry's in 2011-2012 is amazing. But we complain about not have to score 100 points to advance, just be happy that they put WILT in the game and guess what you don't need a challange to try and score 100 points with him, do it and still win...I mean come on they have games in black and white....totally amazing...

You do know that most of the Legends they have in 2K12 have already been in past versions of the game, with the exception of Jordan (of course) and Kareem iirc. Although as part of all-star era teams and not with their respective teams. 2K only removed them from 2K11.
These legends have been in the game before, 2K removed them temporarily and now brought them back. Why should that be a cause for happiness when we are basically getting back most of the legends that have been in the game for years.
So they brought the legends back with their own teams, but what's the point if it's going to be merely a glorified old school roster update and exhibition mode? The patchers can do a better job if that's the case, both with PC and console versions. You can see for yourself with the old school rosters (PC) in the NLSC or OS (consoles).

[wabenne]

In other words this information that 2k has given is awesome, the fact that alot of players that weren't in 2k11 a great game is being added to 2k12...A younger shaq, David Robinson, Dream, Penny Hardawy, Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Oscar Robinson, I could go on and on...15 different stars i mean that is a lot of work recreating statistical challenges for each team and players...the fact that we can relive these moments of rivalry's in 2011-2012 is amazing. But we complain about not have to score 100 points to advance, just be happy that they put WILT in the game and guess what you don't need a challange to try and score 100 points with him, do it and still win...I mean come on they have games in black and white....totally amazing...

You do know that most of the Legends they have in 2K12 have already been in past versions of the game, with the exception of Jordan (of course) and Kareem iirc. Although as part of all-star era teams and not with their respective teams. 2K only removed them from 2K11.
These legends have been in the game before, 2K removed them temporarily and now brought them back. Why should that be a cause for happiness when we are basically getting back most of the legends that have been in the game for years.
So they brought the legends back with their own teams, but what's the point if it's going to be merely a glorified old school roster update and exhibition mode? The patchers can do a better job if that's the case, both with PC and console versions. You can see for yourself with the old school rosters (PC) in the NLSC or OS (consoles).

Yes I am aware that some not all of the legends have been in previous games before but as you stated they were removed....So why not be happy that they are back...Jordan has been in games before but when they brought him BACK everyone was happy and excited so i surely wouldn't assume that just for reasons to complain you would hold the argument that having it back is not anything to be excited about...Also if your argument is that these legends have been in the game before then y complain about Barkely (not saying u actually did, but this was part of my argument) because barkely has never been in a game that i can remember with 2k nor as Andrew has continued to state is he willing to be put in one. Believe me Barkely not being in the game is nothing to do with 2k everything to do with Barkley so point the finger at him not 2k..Also again the legends are back but not just that surely you would agree that rosters are more filled out then in times past, also the presentation and atmosphere that 2k has created to go with the timing of the legends is something to be happy about....when was the last time you played a game with the breat Bill Russell in black and white...ummmmmmmm thats what I thought. I'm simply stating there is much more to be excited about then complain about...AGain when you play with Wilt go ahead score 100 points you know he did it....When you play with Oscar challenge yourself get a triple double you know he did it...I'm just saying 2k is doing great things

[shadowgrin]

Yes I am aware that some not all of the legends have been in previous games before but as you stated they were removed....So why not be happy that they are back...

So remove a long time feature (era legends) for one year, bring them back them back next year (in a different way), then brag about it as the game's new feature? Well that certainly is improving the game.

Jordan has been in games before but when they brought him BACK everyone was happy and excited so i surely wouldn't assume that just for reasons to complain you would hold the argument that having it back is not anything to be excited about

Jordan hasn't been in a 2K (or EA?) game since he retired with the Wizards. That's what like almost a decade ago? Of course people would be excited, considering Jordan's still immense popularity.

Also if your argument is that these legends have been in the game before then y complain about Barkely (not saying u actually did, but this was part of my argument) because barkely has never been in a game that i can remember with 2k nor as Andrew has continued to state is he willing to be put in one. Believe me Barkely not being in the game is nothing to do with 2k everything to do with Barkley so point the finger at him not 2k

People (or most of them) aren't complaining about Barkley not in the game, they are complaining about 2K's odd choice to include a Sixers team without a (rookie) Barkley when 2K could have picked other Sixers team with Dr. J in it and have a more complete roster. I could understand a rookie Barkley being excluded but shite even Andrew Toney isn't included.

when was the last time you played a game with the breat Bill Russell in black and white...ummmmmmmm thats what I thought. I'm simply stating there is much more to be excited about then complain about...AGain when you play with Wilt go ahead score 100 points you know he did it....When you play with Oscar challenge yourself get a triple double you know he did it...I'm just saying 2k is doing great things

Era-specific presentations? Take those era-specific presentations out and what do you get? It's only eye-candy.
Still doesn't change my opinion that the Legends in 2K12 are there for a glorified exhibition mode, unlike 2K11's Jordan Challenges even if that was lacking in some aspects.

2K is doing a good thing adding those classic teams but the point is what difference does it have compared to the old school mods when 2K12's new 'feature' is merely an exhibition for the Legends?

[wabenne]

see thats my point your just making a punch of excuses..I ask you about the presentation and atmosphere being able to play in the timing of the players and you say this: "Era-specific presentations? Take those era-specific presentations out and what do you get? It's only eye-candy." you say take that out lol no leave it in that is the point im making seems like you just want to complain even if you think its more exhibition then challenge mode don't hate on the Era-specifi presentations and call it "only" eye candy how can that be the case if its fact meaning didn't russell, jerry west, oscar actually play in black and white....that is not eye candy that is reality they didn't have the fancy colorful gyms especially on tv....so that is just 2k being accurate but you seem to not want to give props...Then i make the statment about jordan has been in and out of games to and they bring him back which is why everyone was excited and you make the excuse well yea but Jordan been out the games since the wizards so the point is he been in and been out and we rather have him in...the point is wilt, west, oscar, the dream, have been in games and out of games we rather have them in then out therefore its something to be happy about.....at this point i'm simply saying it seems like those like you rather find something to complain about even if its at the cost of being negative about stuff that is a postive just to be negative...But again you have the right to your opinion and I totally respect it and disagree with it at the same time...

[shadowgrin]

My point about about the presentations is that even if you take them out or not, the legends in the game are still there for only glorified exhibition games.
My point about Jordan was that Wilt, Oscar, etc. have been in the previous games (until 2K11) before while Jordan was not.
Instead of assuming the intention of my criticisms why don't you try to understand my criticisms instead?

[wabenne]

also how do you know Andrew Toney was slited, why couldn't he be just like Barkely and not want to give permission...Also you ignored my question to complain...I asked you about the rosters of older teams being even more filled out instead you complain about a 76'er roster missing 3 people but the legend rosters in 2k12 is improved from 2k11 as far as having more yet you point to the negative is all i'm saying...and that is not a problem been when you point at every negative you can find and skip right over the positive just seems like your a bit bias

[wabenne]

My point about about the presentations is that even if you take them out or not, the legends in the game are still there for only glorified exhibition games.
My point about Jordan was that Wilt, Oscar, etc. have been in the previous games (until 2K11) before while Jordan was not.
Instead of assuming the intention of my criticisms why don't you try to understand my criticisms instead?

No i understand and like i said you have every right and I don't neccessarily think your wrong as oppose to it feels like to prove your critizism right you are also denying truths meaning even if the legends were taking out just a year ago the fact that they are back in is a good thing, but instead of saying that you look at it like oh wow so waht they were in just a year ago....but its not so what because they were out also and many never in....

[shadowgrin]

you are also denying truths meaning even if the legends were taking out just a year ago the fact that they are back in is a good thing
but instead of saying that you look at it like oh wow so waht they were in just a year ago....but its not so what because they were out also and many never in....

So remove a long time feature (era legends) for one year, bring them back them back next year (in a different way), then brag about it as the game's new feature? Well that certainly is improving the game.

2K is doing a good thing adding those classic teams but the point is what difference does it have compared to the old school mods when 2K12's new 'feature' is merely an exhibition for the Legends?

also how do you know Andrew Toney was slited, why couldn't he be just like Barkely and not want to give permission...Also you ignored my question to complain...I asked you about the rosters of older teams being even more filled out instead you complain about a 76'er roster missing 3 people

2K's odd choice to include a Sixers team without a (rookie) Barkley when 2K could have picked other Sixers team with Dr. J in it and have a more complete roster.

2K could have picked the Dr. J-Moses Malone-led Sixers championship team and have one important player missing (Toney) instead of their odd choice for the Sixers team that has 2 important players missing one of which is a recognized legend.

Also you ignored my question to complain

What question? I'm no punctuation nazi but how am I supposed to know your question when I don't even see a question mark in your previous posts.

the legend rosters in 2k12 is improved from 2k11 as far as having more yet you point to the negative is all i'm saying...and that is not a problem been when you point at every negative you can find and skip right over the positive just seems like your a bit bias

The only positives you have given me are era-specific presentations and legends (with their respective teams) coming back to the series...

So remove a long time feature (era legends) for one year, bring them back them back next year (in a different way), then brag about it as the game's new feature? Well that certainly is improving the game.

2K is doing a good thing adding those classic teams but the point is what difference does it have compared to the old school mods when 2K12's new 'feature' is merely an exhibition for the Legends?

Instead of assuming the intention of my criticisms why don't you try to understand my criticisms instead?

[koberulz]

And then we disappointed because the game that has no competition is trying to market and get pre-orders up by offereing 2 great teams with the pre-order that isn't disappointing just smart business.

They get the same money whether I buy it now or buy it later. And if they do the THQ thing, they actually get more money if I buy it later.

[matmat66]

Just a question, will we be able to use any of the classic teams in Association or Season mode? Thanks

[koberulz]

Where's the best place to preorder and get the US version? Don't want to be stuck with a lack of various logos on the courts and whatnot this year.

[wabenne]

@ shadowgrin actually i think i told you a lot of good things besides the ear specific arenas such as: the fact that we have more legends now, I know you see that have been in the game before but you also acknoweldge that they were taking out, I'm stating that how could the fact that they are being put back in not be a good thing....Thats like going to your favorite restuarant and eating something for years you love it, but they take it off the menu, then after a year they put it back on surely you wouldn't be like oh who cares about that meal...no you would be like great...another thing that i say is good is that not only are there more legends the teams are more filled out yea maybe not every team has every player but surely you agree that more then in recent games this years rosters are more filled out....so there are 3 for you if you want more I will say that the new presentation or intro's are beefed up...also the announcement that you will be able to do legend moves like the sky hook, like the dream shake there go a bunch of things for you that are good about the game that you and others ingnore for the simple fact that you don't see barkely (and that is not 2k's fault barkely doesn't want to be on a game) and that there are not statistical challanges for every legend....I can't tell you want to say or force my opinion on you i'm just saying fine to admit the negative but don't be afraid to admit the positive or to downgrade the positive to focus on the negative

and to another response i forget who said it about the pre-orders yea they might get the same money if you bought it now or later...but i don't think that is the point of pre-orders to me the point of giving you two other teams if you pre-order is to get as many orders up front as possible...if that is what 2k wants thats want they want they are marketing to get as many orders before the game comes out as they can