THE TRUTH ABOUT NBA LIVE 2003 PC VERSION

[pacersgm]

i just stoped playing nba live 2003. and im so pissed of that i have to release my anger somewhere. first of all the only thing good about the game are the great graphics. now to the bad side. i played all games on the superstar level 7 min quarters.

1.now first thing i found out that you can score on every possesion in the post area, if you only pump fake a couple of times. they jump every time!!!

2.if you get a rebound at the defensive end, and you pass it to the frontest man on the fast break, their player(pg, or c...) will get you almost every time, or even get ahead of you.

3. if you miss the first pass of the opponent goes right away over half court, and you wont be able to catch theeir player. in 1 out of 20 casen maybe.

4. the blocks are horrible. the sound is like a space shuttle was launched. and that right away into the other half. i posted with garnet against Jason Kidd and just jump shot and he blocked it 8 out of 10.

5. the blocking animation is complete an about 3/4 of the time the shpot animation needs to complete. the blockers hands seem so soo long when he jumps 10 feet in the air and swings like a boxer. so ever matchup looks like shaq blocking stockton, it doesnt madder wich 2 players involved.!!!

6. the stealing is a diamond in this game. after finding out about the great abbilities of the oppones players to steal the ball in any situation, or angle of their body, i took iverson and tried to steal the ball from the opponent.
i goth 6 fouls and 3 steals, after chasing the other player non stop, even in doubleteams he managed to hold on to the ball, where i only recieved the ball and got striped, a pass-strip, pass strip, and noo fouls, not one when reaching in to , was a fould called.!!!!

7.the shot percentige . my opponents avg. was 76.5 % in 10 played games from the floor. i mean!!!!!!! the average!! it doesnt matter if you jump against travis best in the paint with shaq or wallace, if you wont block him he will hit every shot!!!!. 9 out of 10.

8. the 3 pointers. when your standing on the 3 pt line and you pass to the post, he draws 2 players and passes back. if your free you will hit 8 out of 10, not matter with wich players as long as he has hands and a 75 above 3 pt rating. the opponent will hit 8/10 with you in the face, then miss 3 so it lowers the pctg to "normal"

9. the shots, like i said, if your 6 feet from the player your guarding, then he will hit.!! 8/10 he will!!!!. doesnt matter where on the court.

10. the sum, arcade modes, seem not to have any clear line between them drawn. it seemd to me that the arcade mode has less powerfull or monster dunks(every possesion in sim mode), where the player would break his hands everytime. dont try blocking the dunk, just doooont

11. not so often but it happens, that their guard is on a break or just driving to the hoop, and you try to stop him or block him or just run besides him, your player will fall to the floor like bricks even centers, and he wont even move a bit slower or change directions, but you will if you try the same. like i said not so often but it happens.

12. and the top of it is that they will charge for the online play. i mean the only thing that corrects some of the game errors is the multiplayer play. so bring me one of ea sports people who have made the game, wich needed 2 years, that they have the fee included in their game price, wich cant have such a price, at such quality, so the online fee must be included in there dont you think????

13. this game makes me nervous, but its the only one for the pc, and those ::::::: from easports know that, thats why they make so much out of it each year(each second now), for the same nice price wich makes them all happy.

im sorry about the long letter, but i feel much better, and if someone says that the above lines arent true, he is lying to him self.

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[Ymakino]

Nice insight!

Half of your promblems can be fixed by editing ratings ect, once that is done it may make the game a lot more realistic to play.

[ocis_nicola]

the cpu trade AI.....man, that is just absolutely messed up. and all the players are over-rated. hell, i could go on, there's so much stuff wrong with this game

[Buttermaker]

Sim and arcade mode are mixed up. If you're in sim mode you're really in arcade mode but fouling is turned on. Try arcade mode and set the rules like they are in sim mode.

[pacersgm]

you could edit the ratings, but then i wouldnt even get those 3 steals i had, lets say, and if tunring down the fouls i would have 3 steal, but so would the computer had 8 new more, and imagine turning down the ratings, how that would affect the franchise play or just simed games.

but you right that some things can be change a bit, but shurely not the pace of the game, wich is a major problem. i mean look, they had 2 years. who makes these games, and alien who hasnt seen a game of basketball. ok, if you want to make an arcade game, then make nba jam 5 on 5 with the 2003 graphics. by them trying to make soe kind of mix of arcade and sim, they got far away from both of them. but im shure they werent trying to make a mix, or arcade, casue there is nba street. i mean they should come to these forum the last years, and take someting out of the gameplay wishlists or complain and we would have a great game. and this one its not even ok.

[pacersgm]

Buttermaker i have tried that the first day i goth the game, but it is more like "i think it is different" but the speed is the same, almost everything is the same.

[koolkatgold]

Sim and arcade mode are mixed up. If you're in sim mode you're really in arcade mode but fouling is turned on. Try arcade mode and set the rules like they are in sim mode.

this is weird

[mrfixit]

i just got the game awhile ago and played three games
My observations:

* do players really block like hell?
* freestyle control is nice with the jab but if youre an old time gamer, youll be surprised if you pressed the shot button on d and you dont jump to rebound or block.
* i cant steal
* fast break d isnt that good
* i want 2 players with the keyboard, i just got used to it and liked the old system

ill add more coz ill play more

[Buttermaker]

do players really block like hell?

Only in simulation mode which is really arcade mode.

[PistolPeteMaravich]

are you guys running plays (coming off screens, etc.) to get open shots? or are you just trying to be gay railing on the freestyle button with tracy mcgrady and trying to fire up circus shots and they are getting pied?

sure, the blocks are ridiculous on PS2 cause they go to the backcourt everytime and yeah there is way too much fastbreaking. whatever, its EA sports. they concentrate on madden's for their meal ticket and put out half-ass games for basketball and hockey.

Bad Brains

[LordZed]

they concentrate on madden's for their meal ticket and put out half-ass games for basketball and hockey.

Bad Brains

Don't forget Triple play... Well actually Triple play isn't even half assed, it's a quarter assed...

[Verik]

this crying about fastbreaks is getting kinda old fast.
fact is if u dont setup your plays and if u take the wrong shots u will get bitchslapped just like in real life so learn how to play the fucking game before u start crying. and for pacergsm i am averaging 20.4 steals a game on allstar lvl so guess u are doing something wrong.

and ofcourse the 65-75% fg percentage sucks but thats something thats easy to fix with just dropping the ratings in the database.

[Jowe]

I agree with verik on his point,
if you play a structured offense, use the plays, excecute them properly, you should be able to have realistic games. And with the blocks, it imitates real life, if you take a bad/wrong shot you WILL get it blocked. You can't expect to run and gun, yet have a low scoring game, thats just crazy.

[beau_boy04]

Im afraid to buy the game now after reading the 1st post. I don't wanna be dissapointed. Apparently there isn't much difference between the demo and the full game. Or there is?

[lebronjames]

it is a great game. You simply are silly if you come to this board and don't understand how amazing the community is here and how well they update this game, it is and will be amazing

[beau_boy04]

What is so great about it?
Could you give me some signs of greatness?

Thanks.

[cocobee]

Beau,
if your going to let someone else's opinion make up your mind, then you got problems man--- maybe you need to make your own decisions. We all have our seperate opinion of this game, but your own opinion is what really matters. Judge it yourself, if you played the demo and didn't like it--then maybe you shouldn't get the game. But, if your a veteran of the live series then you know that these patchmakers can make patches that fix some problems immediately.

i for one like the game, and just because another person doesn't like it--i'm not going to return it--

[Don Bincente]

thanx all... this is my 1st post & i agree that the game is not a true sim,but it plays a cool game of B-ball...im sure if you tweak the ratings the game should play better...im hoping that some people here will find the right mix of sim/arcade to keep all happy...& to all you detractors,stop the crying & offer some solutations...or you can return the game...i like the game & it can be as fun as any sport game out there.
GO GS WARRIORS

[beau_boy04]

Cocobee,

I have the xbox version and I love the game. I think the graphics are amazing and some others stuff. However the gameplay really sucks! I read players never get tired even if they play the 12 mins/4 quarters. What's happened here? so why even bother to turn the fatigue on?
I guess you guys can modify the players.dbf for now but what about those users who love to play the franchise mode? who knows if the computer would generate superstar players just out of collegue/HS...I do wanna get the pc game but I'm reading some scary $hit about it. I have Live 00 and I think the gameplay was really cool and reasonable at least way better from Live 03 (xbox).

Thanks.

[cocobee]

Beau,
I see your concern, I too played the x box version--and at first I was like WTF is this--but I got use to it. Then I started playing smarter and my numbers became better. Live 2003 forces you to take care of the ball and play every poession--or else next thing you know the cpu has a 10-0 run on you. The dbf files are easy to maintain, and if the upcoming rookies are your only concern then you should be ok. There are only maybe 20-30 rookies(maybe more) and the second round ones are usually low anyway. So you might just need to worry bout the top 15-20 a draft. That's easy to modify. It's time consuming but worth it, to me anyway.
Well, it's up to you bro.
Since you got the x box version, you got your basketball fix anyway
Hope that shed some light

[beau_boy04]

Cocobee,

Since you have the xbox game as well...can u compare the xbox and pc versions?
Is the Pc version the same exact game as the xbox if you don't edit anything at all?
In conclusion is there any difference between the xbox and pc version? if so I'd probably get the game...if not then I'd save my precious money.....what do you think?

[beau_boy04]

By the way are all the options from "create a player" from the xbox available in Pc?

Thanks in advance.

[mrfixit]

a question...
im having a difficult time posting up players, i like the post up kick out game but i cant seem to get it, i dont know if its me or the game

i played the game and i found it more arcadish, probably easports wants it to be more arcade but what about the sim loving guys...

the graphix was good but the arenas were the same, i would really appreciate if they can make different arenas, this has been posted in the wishlists years before

motion has been fluid than before, more fluid and athletic moves but what about the finesse in the players, true arcade is exciting to watch but it becomes boring and someone would really love to watch how the spurs win playing slow with tim d. alot of teams are winning because they have this system. some games were able to simulate that system of play. it is understandable but if its for simulation, it has to have a similarity

ive been supporting nba live series since the old days. but i think after waiting for two years, ea hasnt gone far

correct me if im wrong but i think i expected alot from this game considering i waited two years

and another thing.... madden is not the only game in the ea list..
there is still nba live and there are people who are willing to pay for it

"someone buy me an xbox.."

[cocobee]

Beau, well since I have a high end PC--I'd have to say "yes" that the PC plays like the x box--but maybe a tad slower.

In conclusion is there any difference between the xbox and pc version?

*IMHO-the PC version looks better(details and lighting) and plays a better game out of the box--now imagine that with the tweaked rosters made by the patchers--

By the way are all the options from "create a player" from the xbox available in Pc?

*YES! and then some, remember via patch we can customize and personalize the players to the exact "t"--to my understanding we will be able to make a home and away file for each player ( imagine the possibilites)


If you have a cpu that can handle even at Medium detail, then I suggest you try the PC version--but if you don't then stick with the x box version. But seriously, please don't just take my word on it--I love live 2003 and I'm getting very addicted to it quick-and the thought of patching this game --damn--a lot of sleepless nights patching--but I love it! If patching isn't your thing than stick with the x box.

[rainmajer]

ABOUT CROSSCOURT PASSES

i'd like to comment that it really is a weird thing if you make crosscourt passes that the ball somehow manages to find it's way into the palm of a defender while in a standing position...

dat's bad simulation, it should probably just be deflected and everybody would scramble for the ball, or could be anticipated and be caught in a running stance, that would make a good "simulation" steal and fastbreak..