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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby dare on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:14 am

I'd say 79, he isn't better than Kobe :)
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Houndy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:33 am

Why Moses Chara isn't what everyone thinks he is
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By Willie Lewis, Senior Point Guard at LSU
I had been thinking about not doing this interview with Moses Chara as apart of ESPN's Draft Class Journalism Program, but I accepted, knowing that I could learn some things from the self-proclaimed MVP.
As I stepped inside Arco Arena, I could see some of the other King Players shooting around. But all of the cameras, people, and fans were looking at Chara. He was nailing shots left and right. I approached him.
"Hey Moses!" I Yelled out to him.

"You're Willie Lewis?" said Chara, running over to me.

"Yup." I replied.
We walked to the locker room, painted a solid Purple with the King Logo everywhere. Moses first showed me around, then pulled two stools up.

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Chara spoke about his college rival, Reshawn Tyson,[TOP] and showed off the picture which was taken at the All Star game by Woody Haynes[BOTTOM]
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"Gatorade?" He asked, pulling 2 Grape Gatorades out of Fridge.

"Thanks." I replied, shocked by how polite he was off the court.

"Well, let's get right to the subject bro. Do you still want to do over that championship game?" I asked.

"Hell yes brother. That was one of the times I regretted getting an injury. I felt powerless to see my team lose. I felt like a fool, bafoon, failure." replied Chara, obviously emotional.

"Next question. When you were drafted number 1 overall, how did you feel?"

"It felt like I was in heaven. Of course, by the look of Mr. Stern, he looked at me like I was a total immature joke. Which was true, I acted bad. Not professional."
I felt like this guy was regretting his past. Like he was a different person, a smarter person. He wasn't the Moses Chara the media knew. He was someone else.

"I have a question. Why do you act so cocky, you never acknowledge anything about any other player, and you criticize others for an All-Star Game, which is as meaningless as crap. What's so special about criticizing others? Is it fun?"

Moses opened his mouth, obviously to object claiming he wasn't any of those. But he stopped, and thought.

"You know, you make a point kid. There was no point of criticizing people during an All-Star game. I guess since LeBron was criticizing me...."

"You're the one who went up to him and challenged him, he didn't even say anything." I interrupted boldly.

"Yeah. Kid, you would be perfect for Sacramento. Demand for a trade if you don't make it here."

"Hell no. I would rather get drafted by the Mavs." I said chuckling.

"Anyway, another question. What do you think of the situation between-"

"Reshawn Tyson and Kevin Durant?" Chara interrupted, "It's hell there. I feel bad for them."

"Do you think they can bring it together?"

"Hell no. Those guys will never be on the same page unless they get plastic surgery and one becomes shorter." said Chara, as we both shared a chuckle.

"Well Mr. Chara, it's time for me to go. Thanks for the interview."

"No Problem Bro, just remember, the Kings are the place to be."

We left the locker room, shaking hands, as Chara handed me a Kings Jersey. "Imagine us, Number 31 and Number 33, the kick ass duo." He said smiling.
"Hell yes." I said.

We both shook hands, and left. Chara had given me tickets to see a Kings game, so I prepared to watch a show by him. He lit it up, scorching the opponent for 40 points and 5 rebounds, not to forget his 3 assists and blocks.
Maybe Chara isn't a bad guy after all. I mean, it only took a future rookie to get his true feelings out, right?


Willie Lewis is a professional basketball player entering the NBA Draft. He went to Louisiana State University, where he averaged 20 points and 9 assists as a Point Guard, leading his Tigers to the Elite Eight, only to be knocked out by the Duke Blue Devils. In his spare time, Mr. Lewis likes to play NBA Elite 13 (Most of the time on Dynasty Mode) and read books.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby velvet bliss on Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:10 am

Houndy66 wrote:ESPN's Draft Class Journalism Program

I didn't know ESPN had journalist.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Sit on Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:54 am

Lamrock wrote:I bet Ty ends up scoring just 60 before Karl decides to commence garbage time. Will consider another article.


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And Hondo, good attempt at an article but doesn't fit in with the association. You make Chara sound way too nice and those views of Durant/Tyson are totally not reflecting how I have portrayed him. Sorry!
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Houndy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:33 pm

Sit wrote:
Lamrock wrote:I bet Ty ends up scoring just 60 before Karl decides to commence garbage time. Will consider another article.


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And Hondo, good attempt at an article but doesn't fit in with the association. You make Chara sound way too nice and those views of Durant/Tyson are totally not reflecting how I have portrayed him. Sorry!

But doesn't everyone in Curseland, I mean Cleveland hate Lebron, and the rest of the world doesn't. Different views :D
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Mark. on Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:57 pm

I dont live in cleveland and I hate LeBron :P
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Sit on Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:19 pm

Mark. wrote:I dont live in cleveland and I hate LeBron :P


Agreed, always thought he was a jerk.

Houndy66 wrote:
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Lamrock wrote:I bet Ty ends up scoring just 60 before Karl decides to commence garbage time. Will consider another article.


Sit

And Hondo, good attempt at an article but doesn't fit in with the association. You make Chara sound way too nice and those views of Durant/Tyson are totally not reflecting how I have portrayed him. Sorry!

But doesn't everyone in Curseland, I mean Cleveland hate Lebron, and the rest of the world doesn't. Different views :D


Not possible to have this different view of Chara. He could be portrayed differently but some things can't. He hates Durant and he hates Ty. And he is arrogant and cocky as portrayed in the story.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Houndy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:32 pm

Sit wrote:
Mark. wrote:I dont live in cleveland and I hate LeBron :P


Agreed, always thought he was a jerk.

Houndy66 wrote:
Sit wrote:
Lamrock wrote:I bet Ty ends up scoring just 60 before Karl decides to commence garbage time. Will consider another article.


Sit

And Hondo, good attempt at an article but doesn't fit in with the association. You make Chara sound way too nice and those views of Durant/Tyson are totally not reflecting how I have portrayed him. Sorry!

But doesn't everyone in Curseland, I mean Cleveland hate Lebron, and the rest of the world doesn't. Different views :D


Not possible to have this different view of Chara. He could be portrayed differently but some things can't. He hates Durant and he hates Ty. And he is arrogant and cocky as portrayed in the story.

In the story, though not the article. Chara is a cockass on the court but what about off?
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Clutch on Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:06 pm

Ty for 76. Stamp it.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Lamrock on Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:26 pm

Sit wrote:Not possible to have this different view of Chara. He could be portrayed differently but some things can't. He hates Durant and he hates Ty. And he is arrogant and cocky as portrayed in the story.

Eh, I don't know. He played at Duke all four years and never engaged in any superdickery like KD. Houndy's interpretation may be extreme, but he's a lot more likable than the Durantula.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Chapter 9: Welcome AI

Postby Sit on Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:27 pm

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Sit wrote:Not possible to have this different view of Chara. He could be portrayed differently but some things can't. He hates Durant and he hates Ty. And he is arrogant and cocky as portrayed in the story.

Eh, I don't know. He played at Duke all four years and never engaged in any superdickery like KD. Houndy's interpretation may be extreme, but he's a lot more likable than the Durantula.


Look for any of the matchups between Chara and Tyson from ALIB I. I think I have somehow made Durant a dick of epic proportions though. But Chara would never give a shit about Seattle. He just wants to kill them.

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Mark. wrote:I dont live in cleveland and I hate LeBron :P


Agreed, always thought he was a jerk.

Houndy66 wrote:
Sit wrote:
Lamrock wrote:I bet Ty ends up scoring just 60 before Karl decides to commence garbage time. Will consider another article.


Sit

And Hondo, good attempt at an article but doesn't fit in with the association. You make Chara sound way too nice and those views of Durant/Tyson are totally not reflecting how I have portrayed him. Sorry!

But doesn't everyone in Curseland, I mean Cleveland hate Lebron, and the rest of the world doesn't. Different views :D


Not possible to have this different view of Chara. He could be portrayed differently but some things can't. He hates Durant and he hates Ty. And he is arrogant and cocky as portrayed in the story.

In the story, though not the article. Chara is a cockass on the court but what about off?


He and Durant had an altercation in the last Olympics and also in the Western Conference Finals. And also after a regular season game he was being an ass. :)
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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby |)e8* on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:10 pm

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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby Sit on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:21 pm

Any other guesses? Answer is coming very soon! :)
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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby Justine. on Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:44 pm

Ty scored 84.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby velvet bliss on Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:44 pm

What if I get it right, can the points be given to the NLSCer of my choosing?

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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby Sit on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:11 am

shadowgrin wrote:What if I get it right, can the points be given to the NLSCer of my choosing?


Yeah, that's a good idea :)

You can participate in all the competitions and give your points away. Who's your favorite NLSCer?

NOTE: What follows is what I feel is my best article that I've written for my associations. I know it might be a little long but it's supposed to be an ESPN.com feature article. :)

Let me know what you guys think!
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Re: A Legend Is Born III

Postby Sit on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:12 am

Updated: February 27, 2013
The Tragic Tale Of Tyson
Many believe that a sport star’s money and fame are all they need in life but Reshawn Tyson knows the truth
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Before it all fell apart: Making his All-Star Game debut, Tyson threw down the play of the game

By Woody Hannes
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This article was supposed to have been published two days ago. However, in light of a magical performance from the subject of this piece, I was forced to postpone. It was only appropriate for me to fix this story accordingly to reflect the event in Seattle when Washington visited town. I’ve met Reshawn Tyson numerous times and the last time I did was when I wrote this article. In hindsight, I must say that this time was the most rewarding and meaningful interview I’ve ever had with him but that should come as no surprise after he came out to the media last week. My aim is to share with you everything that I learned about Tyson. His story is remarkable and one that reinforces the reality that all of those famous people we put high on a pedestal are human as well...

When Reshawn Tyson’s agent approached me to do an interview with his client, I thought it was just another run-of-the-mill jobs. You know those ones where I meet the player, talk to them about some issues (like how the team is going, how they are improving, their outlook on their game, etc.) and then try and manufacture something for you folk to read. But when I arrived in Seattle and joined a pack of media in the Stealth boardroom, I was bracing for the worst.

But the worst was even worse than what I expected; what I thought could have been ‘the worst’.

In my mind, I envisioned Tyson saying the following: I’ve decided to test free agency when the season is over. I’ve had it with Seattle (Even though there were those undertones during the press conference and also in my interview with him afterwards). The reality was far worse than that as he gave an emotional explanation and run down of his life. He wanted his fans to know. And he wanted the world to know.

In recent days, I have heard that many people are calling him an ‘attention-seeker’ for holding the press conference. I could not disagree anymore with that. People say that ‘he is a millionaire, he should suck it up.’ What I want to tell these people is that this guy would have found it a heck lot easier keeping it in then letting it all out. I asked him why he felt it necessary to let everyone know and I felt that he justified it legitimately. He said, “I just wanted to show everyone that I am human and that I can connect with them. I’ve been through a lot and it got to the point where the most important thing for me was to let it out and admit that I have a problem. I wanted to feel in control. When you are who I am, everything has to be said in public. I might as well do it all at once.”

I believe that his reasons were valid. And all I have is admiration for him. He has shown everyone a human quality that no sporting stars show off – love. I know that 99% of NBA players would not have come out like Tyson did because it would be construed as a sign of weakness attracting ridicule. I’m glad that he did this – not only for himself but for everyone. He’s showing that to fight battles like his, one has to speak out loud. Any other player would be in denial and convince themselves that their riches and status are all that matter in their lives. For Tyson to come out and admit that loved ones trump all the material things; I just believe that’s a beautiful message.

The Press Conference

Tyson elaborated on why he decided to open up to the world. It was at the urging of some of his closest friends and his psychologist, “I actually stopped seeing my shrink a long time ago,” Tyson explains, “But when everything happened in the past fortnight, I knew I had to go back. She (his psychologist) told me that I had to confront this sadness by being strong and feeling in control. I guess I have always had control issues, I’ve never felt myself to be in total control and I’m scared to lose control.”

Tyson thought back to how every time he would cope with a personal tragedy by blaming himself. The guilt that he built up in himself was the root of his depression. He would not perform on the basketball court as a result of his emotional state. “Many players say that basketball is a retreat,” Tyson said, “I tried it (playing basketball during bad times) but I always knew my mind was somewhere else.” The explanation holds true as I think back to the start of this month. Tyson was playing exceptionally and then was named to the All-Star team. During that game, Tyson didn’t play much but when he did; he absolutely brought cheers from the crowd (despite the fact the game was played in Sacramento). Then a week later, Tyson was a different player in a win against the visiting New Jersey Nets.

He walked me through the night that he picked up four personal fouls in the first half, “I just wasn’t there that night. My body was there but my mind wasn’t. The funeral was only a few days before the game. There was a small window between the All-Star game and that game against the Nets. I know that I was frustrated and I really should not have played. I wasn’t right.”

Two nights later, Tyson would hold the press conference to tell everyone the truth. “I really wanted to get it off my chest,” he stated to me, “It was imperative that I did. I felt a lot of anger and a lot of guilt. I felt like it was my entire fault. Saying it out loud was my way of coping. I’m not a very comfortable guy when it comes to discussing all of what I had said so I figured that doing a press conference was going to allow me to let it all out and also to let people who cared know.”

I pointed out that there was some criticism with his decision and he was accepting of it, “I can understand that people may call me selfish for doing this. For me, it was important. It’s my way to honor these people that I loved so much and were so important in my life. Without them, I would not be here right now. This was my chance to show people that money isn't everything. Money doesn't buy happiness. Money doesn't bring back your loved ones."

"People can say whatever they want but I did the right thing for me. It’s not for them.”

Tyson’s Tragedies

The story of his deceased brother, mother and girlfriend was touching. His tale is one of courage and the battle he has fought with his depression has been admirable. The fact that everything was bottled up in him for so long and he still was able to perform so well on the court is just amazing. Tyson thought it was no big deal but I disagreed with that notion. I told him that for someone so young to be so mature and to be able to hold themselves together like he has is something that many wouldn’t be able to do. And with that, he pleaded, “If anyone is going it tough, then they have to talk to those closest to them because they care. I shut out a lot of friends and in fact a lot of friendships were lost because I was too scared to talk.”

Tyson’s brother passed away due to a heart condition while he was in his freshman year at North Carolina. Tyson spoke fondly of Washington’s Stephon Marbury who had been a mentor of sorts to him after visiting his brother in hospital, “He (Marbury) really made an effort to connect with me and guide me through a tough time. We lost contact when I got into the league; I guess he had issues of his own. I just want to thank Stephon for everything he did for me. He was the one who convinced me to stay focused and go pro because it’s what my brother would have wanted to see.”

A year later, his mother passed away after a long battle with illness that was not disclosed. Tyson didn’t speak much of his mother as well as mentioning that his father was dead to him. He did admit that his mother was never in the best health after a stressed life trying to feed their family of three. “She got me through high school and to college,” he spoke fondly of her, “I only wish she was around so that I could repay her.”

The most recent tragedy was the death of his girlfriend and high school sweetheart Maria Newman. This was the trigger for all of the bad emotions coming back. And this was the one tragedy that he would always blame himself for. “How could I now?” Tyson asks me when I ask him why he is so hard on himself.

He recalls that on the night of the car crash, they had made up over a romantic dinner. The details were sketchy but he claims that he was tired and it was dark. His car swerved onto the other side of the road. The car flipped. The police report stated the cause of the crash was excessive speeding. Both driver and passenger were admitted to hospital. The driver was fine. The passenger would spend the rest of her life in a coma.

As he recites the story, he starts to cry. His tone was of true remorse and regret. “It just hurts so bad. I always knew that (our relationship) was going bad. I didn’t think it would last much longer. But you never knew what you’re missing until it’s gone. And I never had a proper chance to say goodbye and tell her how much I loved her.”

Tar Heel And Stealth Days

Tyson was never the player he is today. He exploded onto the national scene at the tail end of his freshman year with UNC. Although the Tar Heels won the tourney, their star scorer was never regarded as a consistent enough threat to constitute a solid NBA player. He kept hearing concerns about being ‘too raw’ and ‘too weak’. He would spend a second year at college and once again helped UNC make the NCAA final. There they would fall to Moses Chara and the Blue Devils. (He spoke briefly on his college rivalry with Chara, “It (the rivalry) was real. I had a lot of fun matching up against him. It cut me deep every time we lost to him but trust me, we really celebrated hard all the times we beat them.”)

When Tyson declared for the NBA Draft, many people questioned why his production and influence had dropped off so much in his sophomore year. Gone were the gaudy point totals. Tyson looked like a solid starting two-guard and that’s it. Nothing else, nothing special. And of course, nobody knew about the fact that he was going through hell with his mother in hospital whilst coping with the recent loss of his younger sibling.

Luckily for him, he had caught the eye of one GM (now his coach) who thought so highly of him that he traded away athletic point guard Russell Westbrook and the pick that turned into versatile swingman Mark Moore for the number three pick. That pick would be Tyson and boy did GM Sit cop a lot of criticism for making it go ahead. As Moore flourished in Charlotte and the Stealth had to slow down the pace with Kidd signed as their point guard instead of playing up-tempo if Westbrook was still around, Tyson was a fringe player on the rotation. But as is always with NBA managers, Sit had a plan and he is lucky that Tyson has panned out over the past four years.

Tyson’s numbers (25-5-5-2) are All-NBA first team worthy at his position but he has still somehow gone under the radar. He may be a fan favorite with his jaw-dropping dunks but many cite Kevin Durant, Andrew Bogut and Jason Kidd as the biggest reasons for the Seattle’s success. Many forget how hard Tyson has worked to hone his jump shot and harness his amazing athletic ability. “I’m used to being forgotten, that’s really the story of my life,” he tries to convince me that he is ok with the lack of attention.

Free Agency

I asked him during the press conference whether he wanted to play elsewhere. He gave an interesting answer about not wanting to commit to one location (i.e. Seattle). With free agency looming, Tyson can have a change of scenery next season. It’s no secret that his biggest suitor should be the New York Knicks are interested in bringing the native back home. Tyson’s comments hinted that a new team could be welcome at this stage of his life.

There hasn’t been much fanfare about his free agency; players like Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Josh Smith, Moses Chara, Andrew Watson and Mark Moore are the ones getting all of the attention. But be comforted by the fact that many front offices hold him in high esteem and they are not stupid to not know that he is one of the top free agents of the coming Summer. As one Eastern Conference scout glowingly reviewed, “Reshawn Tyson is probably the most underrated player in the NBA if you can even call him that. His talent is being wasted as Kevin Durant’s sidekick. This guy would tear up the league if he was the man on any team.”

Another scout mentioned, “Reshawn Tyson is the most exciting player in the NBA and he has potential to be a perennial scoring champion. I hear comparisons to Tracy McGrady but I have to really stretch it a lot further than that. Call me crazy but this guy could be better than Kobe Bryant in his prime.”

He didn’t divulge any more information other than that he was solely focused on the next few months but I did ponder what teams would be making a run for him in the Summer and there are a few viable options. The Houston Rockets, Charlotte Bobcats and Knicks should have cap space. The Denver Nuggets, Detroit Pistons, Toronto Raptors and Washington Wizards might have the pieces to do a sign and trade deal. If he landed on any of those teams, I’m putting all my money on him to win MVP.

The Promise

No matter what the future holds, Tyson is focused on one short term goal: a championship with Seattle.

“It’s time to move on though,” he would say at the end of our long session together, “I’m ready to come out and focus on basketball. I want to win here while I’m still around. We have a great team and I owe it to guys like Jason (Kidd), David (Lee), George (Karl) and Coach (Will) Sit to play hard. And I’m going to play hard starting from now.”

He would make good on his promise when the Washington Wizards visited the Stealth in Seattle the following night. Reshawn Tyson played a career game in front of a national audience. In a 154-129 destruction of the hapless Wizards, Tyson led the game with an incredible 60 point haul. To show that he is not a one-dimensional player, he added 6 rebounds and 7 assists. He did not miss a three all game (8-8) or a free throw (16-16). He missed just 6 shots all night (18-24 from the field). He left the game to a standing ovation at the end of the third quarter and Stealth fans were chanting for him to be put back into the game.

In our talk, he admitted to me that he had not been genuinely happy since his first year of college when he had won an NCAA championship with the Tar Heels. It was, after all, just a little prior to the passing away of his brother and the beginning of the chain of unfortunate events in his life. After this game against Washington (and for the record, Marbury actually dropped by and wished Tyson well after the game) though, Tyson called me up. He told me that he was happy for the first time in years.

All I could do was smile for him. If there was anyone in the World who deserved to feel the happiness he felt that night; it was Reshawn Tyson.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby dare on Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:55 am

Nice article by Woody (Y)

Missed the prediction badly...
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Houndy on Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:20 am

Same. I feel bad for Tyson. He's been through a lot.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby velvet bliss on Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:26 am

Who cares. It's Durant's team, bitches!
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Houndy on Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:30 am

shadowgrin wrote:Who cares. It's Durant's team, bitches!

Yeah but it ain't Durant's team unless he has a big sidekick :P
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Sit on Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:54 am

shadowgrin wrote:Who cares. It's Durant's team, bitches!


Or Wu's?

Houndy66 wrote:
shadowgrin wrote:Who cares. It's Durant's team, bitches!

Yeah but it ain't Durant's team unless he has a big sidekick :P


That does not make sense at all Hondo :P
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby velvet bliss on Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:11 am

Sit wrote:
shadowgrin wrote:Who cares. It's Durant's team, bitches!


Or Wu's?

I've accepted the fact that he won't get much burn because of his coach that boxes his talents. :P
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Houndy on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:08 pm

Yeah I know Sit :P But every batman needs a Robin, even if they both hate eachother.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Sit on Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:39 pm

It's good you have accepted the truth Shadowgrin. His coach is old-school and prefers the steady head of Jason Kidd. (y)

Hondo, if Ty isn't the sidekick, it's still Durant's team...
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Martti. on Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:04 pm

Damn, I knew Ty would sit for the fourth, just didn't think he would sit the entire fourth quarter.

Great, great job with the article! (Y) Enjoyed it a lot!
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Lamrock on Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:02 am

Great article. Long, but very very good. Woody has really developed as a writer. :P Also pretty sick that I nailed the prediction.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Houndy on Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:50 am

I failed Sit :P I would pay to see Sacramento @ Stealth Game 7 WCF that goes into OT :cheeky:
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Postby #thierry on Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:23 am

I have to agree man. Your best article ever. Really enjoyed it. I must admit that's the direction I want to point in my journalism classes.

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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Sit on Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:12 pm

Martti. wrote:Damn, I knew Ty would sit for the fourth, just didn't think he would sit the entire fourth quarter.

Great, great job with the article! (Y) Enjoyed it a lot!


Thanks man. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Lamrock wrote:Great article. Long, but very very good. Woody has really developed as a writer. :P Also pretty sick that I nailed the prediction.


Woody Hannes should take over some of those 'writers' at ESPN right this moment!

Yeah, you have 124 points to use now!

Houndy66 wrote:I failed Sit :P I would pay to see Sacramento @ Stealth Game 7 WCF that goes into OT :cheeky:


That Game 7 wasn't a very good game unfortunately.

Thierry. wrote:I have to agree man. Your best article ever. Really enjoyed it. I must admit that's the direction I want to point in my journalism classes.

Clap clap clap for you.
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I finished my major in journalism and I have to say that nothing I learnt contributed to this... it's a piece of shit degree.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby Sit on Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:36 pm

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Jason Kidd reached 1400 games last night after the Seattle Stealth did battle on their home court against the defending NBA champion Atlanta Hawks. Kidd finished with 11 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists in the 116-105 win. After the game, he brushed over a question about his new milestone and instead opted to look ahead to April, “I’m looking forward to the playoffs.” That’s the true modesty of a future Hall of Famer right there. Kidd’s future remains unclear. He is to turn 40 at the end of this month and he comes off contract after the season. Many pundits believe that he will retire and I believe that would be true if he were to win a championship with the Stealth. However, what happens if the Stealth fail to do that. Would Kidd come back for another season?

This brings me to a little bit of fun. If Kidd were to return, where could his numbers end up? This is a big deal – it could determine where Kidd ranks on the list of all-time great point guards. We will take a quick look at where he’s at:

    Points: 19,149
    Rebounds: 8,997
    Assists: 13,141
    Steals: 2,685
    Games: 1,400

Say that Kidd plays another 2 seasons (including the remaining 23 games of this season) and is at full health, he would be playing an additional 187 games. For the purposes of our estimations, let’s say he plays another 175 games before calling it quits. Where will his numbers be when it’s all said and done?

Points: He is definitely able to go over 20,000 for his career. If Kidd were to average 7 ppg to close out his playing career, he’d get to 20,374. That’s good for a place in the top 40 on the all-time scorers’ list.

Rebounds: His 8,997 rebounds ranks him in the top 50 on the all-time rebounding list; not bad for a point guard. Getting to 9,500 would be a nice milestone and achievable as it would require him to grab 2.9 rebounds over 175 games.

Assists: Stockton’s 15,806 assists will not be broken by Kidd unless he averages more than 15 assists over the next two years. However, he is a firm second place all-time. He should pass 14,500 if he averages 8 dimes over 175 games. That sounds possible given the scoring talent in Seattle.

Steals: As mentioned above, Stockton is going to be impossible to catch. The Jazz legend had 3,265 for his career. If it’s much consolation, Kidd ranks ahead of Michael Jordan’s 2,514. Just 1.8 steals over 175 games will get Kidd to 3000 steals. That might not happen with Kidd being a lot slower than he used to be.

Games: Kidd won’t reach Robert Parish’s 1611 games unless he’s going to play till he’s 44/45. However, if Kidd plays another two years and as injury-free as possible; Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s 1560 games is a very possible achievement.

If Kidd’s career were to end how I have predicted, where does that put him on the list of all-time great point guards? I got a definite top 3 in my mind (some of you may digress). I always have Magic Johnson as number 1 and I think it’s a very firm spot at the top. You cannot argue against his 5 NBA titles. My top three is rounded off by John Stockton and Jason Kidd. That’s where the problem arises; who is better?

Let’s compare the two of them with the numbers I have estimated for Kidd, if he were to play another 175 games:

    John Stockton: 19,711 points/4051 rebounds/15806 assists/3265 steals/1504 games/19 years
    Hypothetical Kidd: 20,374 points/9609 rebounds/14541 assists/3000 steals/1575 games/21 years

Stockton is the all-time leader for assists and steals but Kidd is the better all-around point guard. How relevant is it to his argument if Kidd ends up second in assists, steals but wins in points, games, seasons played and doubles Stockton in rebounds? Will the fact that Stockton playing for one team over his entire career matter? Picking one ahead of the other isn’t easy. There is one thing that would tip the scales in the debate between the two players and that would be an NBA championship. And we all know only one of these two can change that. If Kidd wins a ring, I’m picking him as the second best point guard of all-time – even if he doesn’t end up with the numbers that I’ve guessed above.

The final verdict? If Kidd wins a ring before he retires, I would call him the second greatest point guard of all-time. If he doesn’t, Stockton pushes him to third. But the margin between the two of them is thisclose.

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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby Eirsej on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:12 pm

John Stockton is what I call, a natural point guard. He doesn't score much, but his court vision and passing ability is beyond amazing. Jason Kidd is more like an all around point guard. Cause aside from passing he can also rebound. From a pg standpoint I would say Stockton is still the better one based from his stats, but Kidd is a better all around player. But i think, like you said, a ring for jason would be the difference for them.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby Houndy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:18 am

1000th post :D Gratz on that Sit Do I get something for getting 1000th post on
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Postby rise on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:12 am

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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby velvet bliss on Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:37 am

Sit wrote:I finished my major in journalism and I have to say that nothing I learnt contributed to this... it's a piece of shit degree.

I love it when people preach the truth. :lol:
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Woody Hannes and Reshawn Tyson

Postby #thierry on Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:11 am

Sit wrote:I finished my major in journalism and I have to say that nothing I learnt contributed to this... it's a piece of shit degree.


Didn't know you were on journalism too man! Despite the wonderful articles, I had to figure. :shake: Or it was a joke? (after reading shadow's post) :lol:

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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby dare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:16 pm

Nice article again, I'm bias here Kidd is on of my favorite player so I think Kidd is definitely no.2.
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby Martti. on Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:40 pm

Nice article, though I doubt Kidd can still go for two years. I think he'll call it quits after this season.

Congrats on reaching 1000 replies as well. (Y)
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby Sit on Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:08 pm

Thierry. wrote:
Sit wrote:I finished my major in journalism and I have to say that nothing I learnt contributed to this... it's a piece of shit degree.


Didn't know you were on journalism too man! Despite the wonderful articles, I had to figure. :shake: Or it was a joke? (after reading shadow's post) :lol:

No doubt Kidd is in the Top 5 PG's ever.


It wasn't a joke. A lot of my journalism graduate friends don't even get jobs in the industry. Tough to break into. And a lot of stuff learnt in Uni doesn't give you the real skills. In fact, one said that their boss laughed at them. You don't learn anything in journalism. I did it for a bit of fun because I do Law as well as Economics. Too bad it won't get me anywhere - same with economics because an economist is not really a professional position.

Martti. wrote:Nice article, though I doubt Kidd can still go for two years. I think he'll call it quits after this season.

Congrats on reaching 1000 replies as well. (Y)


I hope he does play on but unsure. It's pretty cool because it's the computer that decides... hopefully he will sign a new contract. :)
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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Ball Don't Lie: JKidd

Postby Sit on Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:30 pm

Thank You!

I would like to extend a big thank you to everyone who is reading and following this story. After 6 months, I have made it past 20 pages, 1000 replies, 10000 views. I feel that it is an achievement, seeing that it is the second largest association after the story that is a prelude to this one and just ahead of Lamrock’s one: Nellieball.

I also extend a warm welcome to everyone who has just started to follow this story. There are a few of you in here and I will say that I won’t name any of you in this post but please do not feel like I have forgotten you. It is more of a fact that the others I name have been there from the beginning and I would like to honour them first; maybe if you are all still around by the end of this story, you will get a shout out too.

The first person I must thank is Lamrock. As you all would know, this story really hit a bump in the road. I was a bit ambitious with skipping one whole season and trying to recap it. After all of the recaps and then the season previews, I lost my motivation for it. It was Lamrock who held the fort for the 2k story section and that inspired to make my comeback; conveniently just after he retired Nellieball. He’s also been the most avid follower of this association story and I must thank him for his following; since the ALIB days back in 06/07.

Now there’s a bunch of you here that I must acknowledge together. Mark, Hova, Martti, Thierry, Valor. These guys have been following since ALIB II. Big ups to you guys. I know Hova, Mark, Valor don’t post as often but I do know for a fact that they are still following. So thank you very much. Thank you to Hova for your kind words that I am taking this futher than any other story. If anyone on these forums knows me (and that would be The X), I’m sure they would agree that I love a challenge.

My challenge here is to continue drawing your attention and giving you this story. I hope that this is the case with the current edition, which I must say is my last!

Special mention also to Thierry. You make it look impossible for anyone to make this milestone so I really look like I’ve pulled off quite a feat. Thanks brother! :P (You know I’m just pulling your leg)

I know that there’s others here and I acknowledge that I know who you are. Thanks for following and hopefully I can lead the Stealth to an NBA title. We’re heading into the final third of the season and it won’t be long to the playoffs! (I must note that I am taking a small break from this. Updates have been pretty regular but I do need some time to recuperate and we will get back into it for the most exciting part of the season with your Seattle Stealth.)

I hope you all enjoy!

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Re: A Legend Is Born III - Milestone Post: Thank you!

Postby Houndy on Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:55 pm

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Postby Sit on Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:43 pm

puttincomputers wrote:I follow everyday as well!


Sorry Manfred, forgot to mention you! :)
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Me too lol anywayz gratz man
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I follow everyday... For points :? Just kidding :mrgreen:
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Postby #thierry on Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:34 am

Sit wrote:A lot of my journalism graduate friends don't even get jobs in the industry. Tough to break into.


Yep it's also tough around here. But it's my passion, and hopefully something will come around. :D

Brother, also thanks a lot for the special mention. Hopefully, someday I'll do a tenth portion of this milestone you already did like 4 times. Look out for my 2k11 story! :bowdown:
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Postby dare on Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:03 pm

Congrats on the milestone, now it's time for the Stealth to have a title (Y)
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Postby Lamrock on Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:53 pm

Congrats on another 1K+ reply dynasty, and cheers for the shout-out. Truly the best dynasty story ever.
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Postby Houndy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:26 pm

When I saw "999 replies" I was like Holy Shit, I can get 1000th
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Postby Sit on Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:31 pm

De8 wrote:Me too lol anywayz gratz man


I know you follow. (Y) Don't worry about that. Your rookie will be rewarded with your loyalty.

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Sit wrote:A lot of my journalism graduate friends don't even get jobs in the industry. Tough to break into.


Yep it's also tough around here. But it's my passion, and hopefully something will come around. :D


Well, I hope you don't treat it like a dynasty/association story. :P

dare wrote:Congrats on the milestone, now it's time for the Stealth to have a title (Y)


Thanks dare! :)

You are also one of the more regular followers, I am happy to be one of those who inspired you to make dynasty stories.

Lamrock wrote:Congrats on another 1K+ reply dynasty, and cheers for the shout-out. Truly the best dynasty story ever.


Thanks man. So which of the trilogy do you prefer? :P

I've really tried to make ALIB III the neatest one in terms of presentation and story-wise. The fact I'm winning so well is an added bonus. However, I do think ALIB II was pretty epic because it lasted so long and had a few decent playoff runs... with your buddies Nash and Blazers standing in the way each time.

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Good on you. :lol:
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