The Letting Off Steam Thread

[JaoSming]

im waiting for the PC patches to get really involved in an association

the only association I have on my computer right now is a "d-league" one where I sim the NBA games and automate all of that stuff while I sent Mayo and Thabeet to the D-League to just own everyone else (at least that was my plan, thabeet is slow as shit)

[Andrew]

The updates still haven't been released for the PC version? That's another strike for me.

[JaoSming]

nope, they waited for both patches

the only theory I have on it is because I leaked the All Star jerseys last year when the game first came out and this year the PC ended up missing a bunch of jerseys that were later unlocked which I can only guess are going to be in the update.

[Andrew]

Makes sense. Still, that's shame from the standpoint of bug fixes.

[JaoSming]

well looking at the PC competition, it's still in a league of it's own (and against console competition as well IMHO)

[Andrew]

Toss up with the consoles, it certainly isn't getting any competition on the PC. Anyway, it's disappointing that neither of this year's games seem to be able to truly give me my fix.

[JaoSming]

but how can you really say that without trying the full version, really, just the association mode of 2k10? really seems to be exactly up your alley and that has nothing to do with isomotion or the controls (which can mimick Live 10 pretty well)

heh

[Lamrock]

Indeed, you should give it a shot. At least rent it. I know that you are obliged to be loyal to EA running an NBA Live site and all, but being the sole PC game and almost universally considered to be superior across the board, you should pick up a copy. It took me a while to convert from Live 2005 to NBA 2K6 (and Live 08 to 2K9), but I'm glad I did because its well worth it. The last-gen 2K's had a poor vibe that kept me away from them (its hard to explain), but that has been reversed in this generation with the new Lives feeling "off" and 2K, despite its flaws, being the standard.

[Andrew]

but how can you really say that without trying the full version, really, just the association mode of 2k10? really seems to be exactly up your alley and that has nothing to do with isomotion or the controls (which can mimick Live 10 pretty well)

Because I want to actually play the games and from my experiences with the demo, I'm not at all impressed. I find it difficult to believe that the full version offers gameplay that doesn't in any way resemble the product that failed to impress me with the demo. I quite liked NBA Live 10's gameplay out of the box, unfortunately the changes the patches made and Dynasty Mode's shortcomings are too much to overcome in terms of enjoying it as a single player game this year.

[J@3]

I never use isomotion. You can change the control settings so that Y is spin move and B is crossover or something like that, they were the only dribble moves I used on isomotion anyway so now I don't have to bother with it.

[Lamrock]

You also have sliders in the full version. Plus, can't you rent games in Australia?

[benji]

You're going to be a man without a game next year then, Andrew. Those patch changes were what the "HARDCORE FANS" were clamoring for. Single player is what nobody wants, they want to play three minute quarters online spamming LeBron.

Once people realize basketball games peaked with NBA 2K7 (or Inside Drive) because our expectations exceeded the capabilities of the dev teams, then everyone can just buy the $20 PC version of 2K, get $20+ of enjoyment out of it and laugh at the fools paying $60 on consoles for games that are worse. Then maybe they'll realize there isn't a market for throwing out whatever and knowing a million people will buy it for the name alone.

ITT: benji pretends that people want what he wants, that NBA fans aren't like the people who treat MADDENOLIDAY as a religious event and don't really care about anything related to the game other than multiplayer and will be there day one every year because it's more about getting the latest version of the game than actually squeezing the worth of the product out of it. Or replicating the sport.

For another example, see Modern Warfare 2.

[Lamrock]

I have Inside Drive 2002, but I'm lame and couldn't get used to the godawful graphics and different control scheme. I'm partial towards 2K9, but that's because I love association mode and really value presentation (weird how mindblowing 2K7's graphics were when I got it with my 360 three years ago and how shitty it looks now).

2K10 is worth $60 to me, but I'm ripping off Gamefly anyway with the "missing games" scam that allows you to keep about 8 games out at a time on a 1 game plan.

[benji]

Your opinions are bad.

For one, you're looking at ID2002, and two, looking at its graphics despite the fact that everyone in the history of the world but you knows that's not IDs strong point. (And that it's the player models that are poor, everything else is superior or matches the Live/2K of the era. Also is has proper perspective sizing.)

Second, you're ignoring that the transformation from old 2K (2K-ESPN) into middle 2K (2K5-2K7) was the addition of the key players on the ID team.

Third, you're being a complete lunatic by thinking 2K7's graphics are mind-blowing considering it barely looks better than the Xbox version. (Which explains why you and everyone else was probably suckered by 2K's early efforts this generation, you didn't play on the lead console which was the Xbox, and played the inferior downport. Therefore when they just ported the game, upped the resolution and added some shaders it looked incredible.)

Fourth, 2K7 plays better than 2K9, which plays better than 2K10. 2K7's AI isn't anywhere near as bad as 2K9's which you have to avoid to exploit like it's a NBA Live game. (Although, unlike Live, your success isn't guaranteed, your percentages just go up due to the ease.)

Fifth, 2K10 on consoles can't be worth $60 considering the best version of the game is only $20.

Was that "steaming" enough? I made it insulting to fit the thread.

[Andrew]

You also have sliders in the full version. Plus, can't you rent games in Australia?

It's nothing slider-related that bothers me. You can rent games from video stores and the like, haven't looked into it recently. Honestly, I'd rather go back to an old game or sit things out until the 2010/11 season titles.

[Lamrock]

benji, I did not know the history of the Inside Drive series. Good to know. I remember not liking 2K5 much, but most 11 year olds would prefer Live anyway.

Up-close, Xbox 2k7 and 360 2K7 look pretty close, but from a distance (the way you see the game 99% of the time if you use the default camera view), it looks far better. I popped it in the other day however, and it looks like shit, especially the white players. I like things that are aesthetically pleasing, and giving me the illusion of realism by looking more "real" in HD than a real game in standard definition.

I prefer 2K9 personally. You may have facts to back up this subjective argument, but I simply get more enjoyment out of 2K9. (2K10 isn't as good, but the better graphics, updated rosters and in-game saves make it my game of choice) If I had a PC that could run 2K10 PC, then I would probably be playing it. Considering how many hours I've killed in 2K10, I can say it would probably be worth $60 to me.

Andrew, Its your choice I guess. I ran a Tony Hawk forum ("lulz, you ran a Tony Hawk forum Lamrock? No wonder you hate realism and good gameplay, and are generally a stupid fuck"), but I still tried out Skate despite not enjoying the demo much, and ended up getting a solid 20 hours of gameplay out of it.

[Andrew]

Fair enough. The thought has flickered across my mind post-patch and in light of the Dynasty Mode problems but I've soured on the idea whenever I've given the demo another try.

[JaoSming]

just wanted to remind you that Live 10 implemented a basic version of isomotion on the left stick this year, if you dont hold the left trigger, 2k10 behaves basically the same as Live 10

I think the fact that you reference the demo bothers me the most. 2k puts basically 0 effort in their demos compared to the full version. I have issues playing any other sports games now without the presentation of NBA Today. Friggin taking breaks in the gameplay (timeout, fouls) to tell me who the league leaders are, the future schedules of the teams playing, their standings etc etc. The presentation is just phenominal especially since we are what, 3-4 months into the game now and the commentary isn't 100% stale to me yet. If anything, it's like 10% stale just because there are a few rants or whatever that are from 2k9. The fact that they use that commentary in association mode though just amazes me even more.

the other thing that bothers me is that my whole view on Live and basketball games in general changed when I bought 2k6 on the 360. Not that Live sucked and 2k is the best thing that happened to mankind, it just put everything in perspective after owning and putting some hours into both games. And if anything, my choice in Live (PC of all versions) got better rather than worse. I just think that someone who is in a power position in a basketball community who has the ability to try the competition should do just that. Don't hide behind bugs that are in a patch that isn't even released on the 360 or PC yet, I just think that if you want to talk about 2k10, or come up with a good impression on what Live 11 should do in a wishlist, you need to play 2k10 in some shape way or form. (offline BTW, dont take this online with random people)

So I'll 2nd that idea of renting a copy for the 360 version, cause I know the PC version costs more there and you got the fun internet cap.

[The X]

Can't blame you Andrew. I refused to give NCAA Bball 10 a go after that terrible demo, so can understand your sentiment. Just play some Pirates instead

[Andrew]

Fair call, Jon. The lack of presentation doesn't bother me in the demos though, I understand that's all stripped down. I just wasn't blown away by the way the game plays. I'll think about renting it though.

[JaoSming]

yep and that does seem like a better way to go

again, that is all my opinion, I know there aren't many people in the world that would prefer Live 06/07 PC over 2k6 and 2k7 + the College Hoops games on the 360.

I dont care/want you to like 2k10, I dont want to change the site to 2kSC and I dont want to rip you away from the PC versions of Live. I just want you to be informed.

[Patr1ck]

Andrew, rent 2K9 for 360 and we can play a game online. I can show you a few things that are both good and bad about the game. I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but as a dynasty player, if you can start to "get" the gameplay, you will love the association mode.

[Andrew]

I'll see what the local video store's got sometime in the near future.

[Oznogrd]

So...why does being the good guy equal having to give sage advice at two in the morning to drunk depressed friends? dont get me wrong. the friends are awesome...but why am i the one always listening?

/end steam

[Fresh8]

So...why does being the good guy equal having to give sage advice at two in the morning to drunk depressed friends? dont get me wrong. the friends are awesome...but why am i the one always listening?

Girls or dudes?

You're listening cause ur a good/nice guy, if u dont wanna listen, you should switch ur phone off.

And this thread's title holds true to myself and other people in Brisbane... so freaking hot today. I hate the weather!