There is NO GOD

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THERE IS NO GOD!

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Jackal on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:47 am

Uhm, if that was supposed to be an insult...you're really quite bad at this. Enjoy.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:46 am

I would also say Man A, not only because I think virtue extends beyond visiting a place of worship every week but also because of the kind of man that Man B could possibly be with that carefully worded description.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:12 pm

Andrew wrote:I would also say Man A, not only because I think virtue extends beyond visiting a place of worship every week but also because of the kind of man that Man B could possibly be with that carefully worded description.


If you asked who more likely to get into Heaven? I would say Not Man A, neither Man B.

For Example:

When you're applying for a drivers license, there are certain requirements, or great example is when you want to live in another country there are requirements. If you failed to complete all requirements they'll denied your application.

GOD have Requirements.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Joe the Space Marine on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:29 pm

And god told you this in the last staff meeting?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:48 pm

osem111412 wrote:For Example:

When you're applying for a drivers license, there are certain requirements, or great example is when you want to live in another country there are requirements. If you failed to complete all requirements they'll denied your application.

GOD have Requirements.


Very well. And what about the first part of my question? Which do you think is the most virtuous person?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby NovU on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:15 pm

Bible today I think became a mere guideline or a textbook for christians. After all, men interpreted god's words into a book and it became a bible. One can argue it's perfect, but I also have my doubts. I am sure god is there watching us all, and should recognize our good deeds regardless of our faiths at the moment. I think somewhere in all of our lives, god will reach out to us, and it'll be a matter of accepting or denying. Signs I think are everywhere as we witness miracles everyday. :cool:
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:25 pm

Andrew wrote:
osem111412 wrote:For Example:

When you're applying for a drivers license, there are certain requirements, or great example is when you want to live in another country there are requirements. If you failed to complete all requirements they'll denied your application.

GOD have Requirements.


Very well. And what about the first part of my question? Which do you think is the most virtuous person?

I would love to say both... But when you said that Man B "He is definitely interested in doing what he feels is the Lord's work". I'll go for Man B

Man B loved to serve the Lord I think. When Man decided to served God then his life will be more have trials, struggles, sometimes fall. Why? Because Satan is not happy when people wants to get close to God. So did God allow Satan to let that man struggles? Yes he did, because God have trust in his people. I don't care if man are weak, The more important is you never ever stop serving the Lord.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:30 pm

Interesting...because I had a very specific person in mind when I wrote the description for Man B. Namely, this gentleman:

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Of course, in my description I chose my facts rather carefully. But now we've put a face to the description, do you still feel the same way?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:37 pm

lmao oh man. Andrew ownage. :lol: I'm having tears as try I to contain my laughter. :lol:
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Donatello on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:33 am

Oh my lord, never have I loved Andrew this much. :bowdown:
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby vinceair on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:39 am

Adolf Hitler was evil man. A true retard. Psycho. He ordered to kill even jews little children. (N)
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby cyanide on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:45 am

osem111412 wrote:Man B loved to serve the Lord I think. When Man decided to served God then his life will be more have trials, struggles, sometimes fall. Why? Because Satan is not happy when people wants to get close to God. So did God allow Satan to let that man struggles? Yes he did, because God have trust in his people. I don't care if man are weak, The more important is you never ever stop serving the Lord.


Now that we have a face and a name to go with Man B, here is exactly what you said:

Hitler loved to serve the Lord I think. When Hitler decided to served God then his life will be more have trials, struggles, sometimes fall. Why? Because Satan is not happy when people wants to get close to God. So did God allow Satan to let Hitler struggle? Yes he did, because God have trust in his people. I don't care if Hitler is weak, The more important is you never ever stop serving the Lord.

Sure, Hitler was a troubled man, but he never stopped serving.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby benji on Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:50 am

The problem is Man B doesn't describe Hitler very well. He didn't attend church after leaving home and was merely a "casual Catholic", cultivated relationships with the German churches (specifically the idea of uniting them under a "German Christianity") only as a political tactic to destroy their power base, and expressly wished to crush Christianity due to its distracting from and opposition to worship of the proper deity, the German State. I don't think there's any evidence Hitler believed he was doing the work of the Lord, he felt he was doing the work of the German race, the Master Race, to grant it the proper position in the world.

I mean, I don't think a guy who says "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany" fits in with osem's interpretation of Christianity.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:23 am

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Jackal on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:06 am

I see your pussies & raise them a couple of my own.

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:24 am

I fold.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:54 am

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Re: There is NO GOD

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:02 am

benji wrote:The problem is Man B doesn't describe Hitler very well. He didn't attend church after leaving home and was merely a "casual Catholic", cultivated relationships with the German churches (specifically the idea of uniting them under a "German Christianity") only as a political tactic to destroy their power base, and expressly wished to crush Christianity due to its distracting from and opposition to worship of the proper deity, the German State. I don't think there's any evidence Hitler believed he was doing the work of the Lord, he felt he was doing the work of the German race, the Master Race, to grant it the proper position in the world.

I mean, I don't think a guy who says "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany" fits in with osem's interpretation of Christianity.


Absolutely, and I don't intend to suggest all Christians are like Hitler or that osem's interpretation of Christianity is anything like Hitler's. I also know I took a few liberties in my description, but that was the whole point, twisted facts and a vague description (and there certainly are crackpots who would suggest the Final Solution was carrying out God's work, as repulsive and contradictory as that may be). It's the same technique you see on so many bad email forwards/chain emails and I wanted to try it out for myself.

Even if we want to take Hitler out of the equation for a moment and simply focus on a hypothetical Man B, once we zero in on this statement:

Andrew wrote:He is definitely interested in doing what he feels is the Lord's work


We're completely putting aside this statement:

Andrew wrote:Truth be told however, he has perhaps strayed from some of those teachings and there are people who blame him for great atrocities


I think both of those descriptions require follow up questions. First, what does he feel is the Lord's work (or what is he doing that he feels is the Lord's work) and second, what are those great atrocities and does he at least share in the responsibility?

More than a few people have done terrible things in the name of God that would appear to go against His word, not to mention your garden variety criminals who claim God has spoken to them and told them to commit terrible deeds. So the idea that someone is doing the "Lord's work" (or believing what they are doing is the "Lord's work") can't alone make them a righteous person, if that is the only vague description we have to go by and the whole truth is not so straightforward.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:43 pm

So Adolf Hitler is the man behind Man B (The description is not clear). I wonder who Man A is.

First of all I’ll answer first Andrew’s question.

Who is the most virtuous? Man A
Who is more likely to get into heaven? None

Correct me if I’m wrong the reason you did this is for an Excuses… to believe in God.

That’s the biggest problem today, I think one of the reasons why people don’t believe in God because they look not in God but they look in people who believe in God (Their basis is MAN NOT GOD. Same problem in a believer, the reason why So-called Christian get backslide because they look not in God but in Man.

Reason many Christian’s are weak or fall or struggles because Satan’s job is put away people from God. He’ll work on those people who try to believe in God, He doesn't care about people who not believe in God or even not believe in Him because His only Job is bothering those people who try to believe. So called Christians will fall but True Christians will not.

Andrew lets try to put True Christian in Man B instead of So-Called Christian. Let’s try to put Abraham Lincoln and I’ll ask the same question you asked.

Who is the most virtuous? Man A or Abraham Lincoln?
Who is more likely to get into heaven? Man A or Abraham Lincoln?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Andrew on Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:03 pm

I didn't have a specific person from history or pop culture in mind for Man A. He's just your average, run-of-the-mill agnostic/athiest, perhaps even one of the people who have posted in that thread that would identify themselves as such.

My post wasn't about disproving the existence of God, it was simply about virtue and what we consider to be good values. If somebody is described as "doing the Lord's work", does that make them a good person? I wouldn't automatically say yes, because follow-up questions are in order. Specifically, what are they doing that's being called the Lord's work (since a lot of people have done terrible things in the name of God, things that go completely against the Christian ethic)?

That was my point. Not that God doesn't exist or Christians are evil or anything like that. Having faith alone does not make you a good person. Furthermore, if you're not following all of your religion's teachings then I don't think you could fairly call yourself someone of faith. At the very least, such a person could not thump the Bible and waggle a scolding finger in other people's faces if they're not willing to practice what they preach. And before we go any further, let me make it clear I'm not talking about you here. I'm speaking in very general terms about humanity and virtue.

Andrew lets try to put True Christian in Man B instead of So-Called Christian. Let’s try to put Abraham Lincoln and I’ll ask the same question you asked.

Who is the most virtuous? Man A or Abraham Lincoln?
Who is more likely to get into heaven? Man A or Abraham Lincoln?


The most virtuous? Well, that could arguably be a toss-up. Man A's day-to-day actions could be just as virtuous as Abraham Lincoln's. However, according to the tenets of Christianity, Lincoln would be the one to go to Heaven, being a man of faith.

However, your example differs greatly from mine in that your Man B immediately is given a face and we know about his deeds. I wrote the description of my Man B with Hitler in mind, twisting facts to suit my needs (as Ben pointed out) but it doesn't necessarily have to be Hitler. It could just as easily describe a fictional man who has committed fictional deeds. It was an exercise in two things: twisting facts for convenience (as I said, so often seen in chain e-mails) and suggesting that virtue extends beyond simply believing in a higher power, that we do need to practice what we preach, no matter why we believe it or what we believe will happen to us if we don't.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:37 pm

I agree what you said. Truly Faith without work is dead. Christians need to practice what they preach most of all Preachers. That's the biggest problem today with Christians, they said they are but their deeds are not. But my point is not to look on those weakness, people always failed. If people really want to serve God then don't look or make man you basis.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:26 pm

Then stop using the internet to post in a basketball videogame forum and do the deeds the Lord requires you to do.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:58 pm

Many Christians today are hypocrite. :( I pray that I'm not one of them.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:12 pm

You don't pray to be not one of "them". You also act to be not one of "them".
So stop being in the internet and spread the word in the real world!
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