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THERE IS NO GOD!

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby MikeMan™ on Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:12 am

Joe the Space Marine wrote:why post so much?


You mean answer questions so much . . .

Edit :
Okay Jae I'll zip out of this thread . . .
For Creation Believers sake . . .
I'll just do my cussing thang in YouTube .
Bye " There is No G.O.D. Thread . . .
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby Donatello on Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:18 am

Thank god.

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby vinceair on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:19 am

Shadowgrin,what are your opinion on Shroud of Turin,also i would like to hear Benji's opinion.
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No need to go mad again,let's start again.New page,new attidude? If you don't want it,then it shows your ignorance and that means you like provoking.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:39 am

Answer the previous questions intended for you by cyanide, benji, me, and the countless others in this thread first before starting over with the "new page, new attitude".


I'll get mad whenever you start your trolling way again. Like the way you are doing now with this statment:

"it shows your ignorance and that means you like provoking"

You haven't answered the questions in the previous discussion, we haven't even started the new discussion, and yet you are already setting up such an inane one-sided condition with that statement by saying that if I don't follow what you want I am ignorant and a troll like you.


You really are a troll.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby cyanide on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:44 am

vinceair, can you answer my last question and shadowgrin's question regarding Buddhism please?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby vinceair on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:26 am

Come on, you can't use ignorance as an excuse. So now that shadowgrin has corrected you that Buddhists don't "serve" Buddha or others, does that make Buddhism great? Is there anything that you can pull out of the Bible to make Buddhism bad? Is Buddhism bad now?! What makes the Bible or Christianity better than Buddhism now?


No i can't pull out something what makes Buddhism bad.I said karma laws are good they represent peaceful and good lifestyle. Just Christianity is better in MY eyes. As i said man who created Buddhism did'nt create world,that's my opinion again. I haven't said they suck,i said they are "wrong" to me because i believe into God. Word wrong aint bad,it aint like it's retarded or something.You guys give me a break. (N)

Shadowgrin,you are the only one who is troll here,admit it! Everything i say (MY OPINIONS), you don't agree with them(everything i say is bs) ofcourse and you call me a trollie because of that. Do i have to believe half Bible,half evolution like you? I don't care what you think about me. I asked politely what is your opinion on Shroud of Turin and you follow like this> troll,troll,troll. You sound very unmature man (N) It's impossible to have normal debate with you.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:38 am

I don't care what you think about me either. I also asked you politely (see the first sentence in my previous post) to answer the other questions directed at you. One down, more to go. It's also impossible to have a debate with you because seem unable to have some decent counter-arguments.

You still don't get it, I wasn't questioning whether you are right or wrong, thus the notion of agreeing or disagreeing isn't even in play. I was ASKING you on why you contradict your own opinion which makes me question your motive. You only have to answer on why you do that.


For the sake of having a decent argument:

You don't think imposing the word wrong is bad?

"Christianity is wrong" - how does that sound to you?


Statements like "give me a break', "I don't speak English well", and it's "my opinion" aren't enough as arguments. It's a debate, people will continually question your opinions because that is basically the essence of a debate. Saying "it's my opinion, I don't care what you think" renders the whole purpose of debate useless, so why bother getting into a debate if those will be your bail out answers?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:53 am

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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby vinceair on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:54 am

shadowgrin wrote:I don't care what you think about me either. I also asked you politely (see the first sentence in my previous post) to answer the other questions directed at you. One down, more to go. It's also impossible to have a debate with you because seem unable to have some decent counter-arguments.

You still don't get it, I wasn't questioning whether you are right or wrong, thus the notion of agreeing or disagreeing isn't even in play. I was ASKING you on why you contradict your own opinion which makes me question your motive. You only have to answer on why you do that.


For the sake of having a decent argument:

You don't think imposing the word wrong is bad?

"Christianity is wrong" - how does that sound to you?



1.Word called "wrong" is one of the main reason of the debate i think,one side don't agree with another,one calls it's wrong,other says it's not right=Let's do some debate.
2.Well if you say so.. I can't change one's religious thoughts about mystery of life(where it came from) . None of the religions(Buddhism etc) ain't actually wrong(they represent peaceful lifestyle(it's great) . But in other hand i think about who created world.. In that case i would say God.That's why i said it's "wrong". But you do agree with me in that one?: I would predict that we get answers when we die,right. It's also said in Bible. When we get into heaven then God shows us secrets of life(I don't know if you believe getting into heaven). For example i don't know if God created world within 6 days. Maybe 1 day is meant to be 1000 years. I don't know that.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:28 am

vinceair wrote:1.Word called "wrong" is one of the main reason of the debate i think,one side don't agree with another,one calls it's wrong,other says it's not right=Let's do some debate.

Sure, but a debate involves some counter-arguments. You still haven't answered the questions by the other posters, if you want a debate, argue with them, answer them. CLEARLY. Understand their points and not merely reject them because it goes against your own.

vinceair wrote:But in other hand i think about who created world.. In that case i would say God.That's why i said it's "wrong".

(To borrow from Jae's post) What if you are wrong about your opinions? That's why understanding others' opinion is important and not dismiss them as "silly, dumb, dumb". You may not readily accept or you may not want to accept that you're wrong but at least you must be open and understand the other options and possibilities in such a case that you really are "wrong".

vinceair wrote:I would predict that we get answers when we die,right. It's also said in Bible.

benji posted something about this argument, even cyanide screamed it. Appeal to Authority. It's somewhere in this thread or you could Google it. I'm not going to babysit you on this discussion.

vinceair wrote:For example i don't know if God created world within 6 days. Maybe 1 day is meant to be 1000 years. I don't know that.

See, how simple is that. If you don't know something you can admit it. Same can be said about the other arguments. Just because you don't know it doesn't mean you have to reject it or dismiss it as nothing.



There's nothing "wrong" on keeping an open mind about things that go against your own opinions/beliefs. Understand those things and be prepared for other options/possibilities that may arise that are not in-line with your belief. Knowing other options/possibilities may give you a clearer view of your own opinion/belief.
At the end of the day, no one can really change your opinion, only you can change your opinion.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby benji on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:31 pm

vinceair wrote:Shadowgrin,what are your opinion on Shroud of Turin,also i would like to hear Benji's opinion.

Why would I have an opinion on it? I don't care about it, it's just a neat artifact with a mystery. There's scores of these, and ones far more mysterious, and far more interesting.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:40 pm

Wow :D It's just like a day since I'm gone and you guys are fighting here. Don't be mad at each other please! we are all friends here. :)

Here is my explanation on the video and picture I recently post:

According to bible in every generation GOD always use a man, and that man is called prophet.

In the bible prophet can heal the sick, discern the secret of the hearts and do miracles. If God is true today he will use a prophet in this generation. And that man is his prophet in this generation. Like you've watch in the video he can discern what is the problem on the people, he can heal the sick, can open the blinded eyes, lame to walk again and even raise the dead.

How can he do miracles such that? He is just a man. How can he discern the hearts of the people? He is just a man. How can he even raise the dead? He is just a man. You see... It must be GOD.

Ok here is another proof about GOD.

A couple of years ago, we have a brethren she is 90+ years old and she is Comatose! Our Pastor and other brethren sing a song and prayed for her and suddenly she is awake. The doctor was in shocked and she return home well. He said to our Pastor, "Sir why did you call me? I'm in the beautiful place, there are beautiful flowers and mountains around and I have no sick in there. Suddenly I heard you singing and calling for me that's why I return" She said that she wants to serve GOD but her body is too weak and she want to go to that place. Tomorrow morning she died with peace.

Another brethren about 4 years now, have stomach pain for a week. When he decided to go to a doctor he found out that it is Appendicitis and the doctor said that he will die because it's 7 days and the bacteria is all around to his stomach. But he begin seeking GOD. He said Lord if you save me from this sick I promised you that Me and my family will serve you. While the doctors operate him he opened his eyes and saw an Angel moving inside the room. The doctor who operates him is a newly graduate and was shocked knowing that his patient is alive. In that time they are 3 appendicitis case and he is the only one who survived.

Another testimony is happened to my Uncle Bert. He is serving God before, but he went away for a certain reason then his family broke. And then he gotten worse, One day there is a blood come from his mouth and he was rushed into a hospital. While he is in the hospital he heard a voice... Condemning him and told him why this is happening in his life. He said the voice is like a mighty rushing water and he does not remember what language it is but it has authority it is very clear and he understand it. Then he talk to the voice asking for one more chance and the doctor can't find any problem in him and the doctors decided that he can go home. Before he go home while he is in the balcony of the hospital he again heard that voice and then appear a man in the air. But the man is not facing on him. He only see the back of this man and his hair. He said Lord why are you not looking at me? And then the man in the air replied and said: Why should I need to turn and look at you? Since I can see everything.

Those stories are true and I am witness that's why I believe in GOD! I read his power I see his power and I experienced it. God is alive today. How I wish you you could see what I see and experience those things... God is a God of rewarder for those who are overcomer. He will answer you if you diligently ask him.

Guys how I wish you understand me.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby benji on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:47 pm

The unexplained isn't proof of God, it's simply unexplained. We don't know everything.

For all you know, it was the Cat Lords.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:49 pm

How can he do miracles such that? He is just a man. How can he discern the hearts of the people? He is just a man. How can he even raise the dead? He is just a man. You see... It must be GOD.

Or alternatively, this man didn't actually perform any miracles and the events that did transpire were gross exaggerations because they were being passed down for over 1500 years before they were actually included in the Bible. Ever heard of Chinese whispers?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:29 pm

Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

Hebrews 11
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
2. For by it the elders obtained a good report
3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear

Hebrews 11:6
6. But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Sir, you simply don't understand God through intellectual or your own understanding the Bible said that One thousand years is just a day for the Lord. Maybe thats the difference between the thoughts of man and God.
1 - Man
1,000 - God

I am posting here not to force you but maybe someone who is viewing this thread will start believing that there is GOD. It will be worth it all. :)
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby AMenace on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:33 pm

FUCK!!!!!!

VINCEAIR

Can't you just stop trying to explain to us shit that we have no interest in!!!!!!! Fuck, if you love the bible that much, go have an orgy over it.

I for one actually tried reading the bible, what a fucking load of shit.
That shit about feeding 4000 people with bread and fish, not possible.
Also, it is not fucking possible that someone can die and come back to life.
ANYONE ELSE DONE THAT, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

If jesus is your fuck buddy, admit it, and move on.

You are not getting anywhere with this shit.
Just stop.

I am getting to the point where I am going to knock someone out over this issue, I am stuck hearing this shit every day at school, so just back off, or I will kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say you are not afraid of death, go on, better show that when I come and gun you down, mothafucka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:48 pm

Sir, you simply don't understand God through intellectual or your own understanding the Bible said that One thousand years is just a day for the Lord. Maybe thats the difference between the thoughts of man and God.


But that's irrelevant to the discussion on every single level. You keep saying people just don't understand the Bible which is usually preceded by a bunch of unrelated biblical quotes, but you've not actually directly answered one question or countered a single argument. Your argument consists entirely of "God is real because the Bible says so, the Bible is true because God says so"... I don't care if the Bible said a thousand years is just a day for God, the fact is for the people who compiled the Bible (they were not God) and the people who wrote the books of the Bible (again, they were not God) it was 1500 years.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:58 pm

Yes Sir, the bible is written by those people, but those people is under the spirit, anointing and inspiration from God. Moses wrote the book of Genesis, how will he knows about Garden of Eden? He is not yet there. It was God who told him trough visions because he is a prophet of God.

I'm not referring just in the bible only, I used bible because bible is God's word. I also post a true to life testimony which is I am a witness of them. That's my biggest proof that God is real... Through my experience Sir how I wish you understand me, Since I met God, he changed me. And today I am happy.. Unexpressed happiness with God.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:02 pm

Sir why do you believe not in God?


Because I'm capable of objective thought.

Yes Sir, the bible is written by those people under the spirit, anointing and inspiration from God.


That's the whole point of this discussion though, and the question everyone is waiting for an answer for... prove it. It's easy to say things like that but it's proof that we want, and I'm sorry but Bible quotes are not proof because you first have to prove the legitimacy and truth of what is said in the Bible.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby benji on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:03 pm

osem111412 wrote:Yes Sir, the bible is written by those people, but those people is under the spirit, anointing and inspiration from God. Moses wrote the book of Genesis, how will he knows about Garden of Eden? He is not yet there. It was God who told him trough visions because he is a prophet of God.

How do you know he did? Because he says so?
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:07 pm

Sir what proof do you want? My biggest proof is my experienced.

How about seeing a blind man and after prayer can see? Is that proof ok?

Maybe you don't see me or we will never meet in this world, another reason why you don't believe in God because of those religion that backbiting one another, used church for money etc...

Here are 3 people in this earth
1. - Unbeliever (This are you Guys)
2. - Make Believer (Partially believe God)
3. - True Believer - (Try to look people whose a true believer I know you'll have the proof you want)
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:25 pm

How about seeing a blind man and after prayer can see? Is that proof ok?


That's not proof though. Show me a medical report stating that it was prayer that made him see, that would be proof. If I saw a huge burst of light in the sky I could say "Whoa that was God!" but maybe it was just a solar flare, just because I've made an assumption based on what I see doesn't actually mean it's proven.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:48 pm

I understand, Ok maybe today you'll believe not but one day I'm sure you would.

Mark this in your cellphone or papers etc... The Lord told Bro. Branham (his prophet in this age) that the city of Los Angeles would one day slide into the ocean, and a new coastline would form at the Salton Sea. It is one of his prophesy and many other already fulfilled.

If one day you read this in the newspaper or internet, I suggest you to start seeking God.
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby benji on Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:00 pm

That wouldn't be proof of God or accuracy of Branham's (a self-declared prophet) preachings. That'd be plate tectonics.

If I make a bunch of predictions of which some come true are you going to seek the Cat Lords? (Let's try two, the dollar will be replaced as the world's dominant currency and the U.S.'s credit rating will collapse. Another? The magnetic poles will switch.)
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Re: There is NO GOD

Postby osem111412 on Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:09 pm

Just Mark this.

In June of 1933, while preparing for a two-week tent meeting in Jeffersonville Indiana, William Branham experienced a series of 7 prophetic visions. William Branham said:

The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire. I wrote them all down and that morning I gave forth the revelation of the Lord.

The following is a summary of the seven visions and links to more detailed analysis of the fulfilment of each of these prophecies:

Fulfilled - Mussolini would invade Ethiopia, and later come to a shameful demise.
Fulfilled - Adolph Hitler would start the Second World War, and come to a mysterious end.
Fulfilled - Facism and Nazism would be swallowed up into Communism, and Russia would emerge from the U.S.S.R.
In Process - Science would advance to the point where cars would no longer require drivers.
In Process - American morals would pervert and decline considerably.
In Process - A beautiful, but cruel, woman would rise to great power in the United States.
Coming - America would be reduced to debris, craters, and smoke.
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