There is NO GOD

[Joe the Space Marine]

The Horus story is older than the Jesus one. That's what I know for sure.

And I am not saying there never was a guy like Jesus who lived in Israel and helped people. It's the son of god part and that he could do miracles that I don't believe.

I don't know about the shroud of turin and why it looks the way it does. Can't it be coincidence? Not trying to make a joke, but there have also been potatoes with the face of jesus in them.

[J@3]

A book (Bible) is proof of that.

The Bible isn't proof of anything. It's a collection of stories written by various people over the space of 1500 years and compiled years and years afterwards by other people who weren't involved in any of the events that were said to have taken place. It's not an encyclopedia. Anyway, I know you won't but I'll post it nonetheless. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

[MikeMan™]

A book (Bible) is proof of that.

Proof of what !?
Some Gospels didn't even came from Matthew , Luke and Co .
The Bible is . . . what Jae said , collection of stories .

- Do you even know that there's a lot of Gospels before ?
The Early Church just picked out the gospels that makes Jesus' Image God-Like .

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[shadowgrin]

Why they still do debates on tv and debates with audience if they can't find answer?

Because they are attention-seeking whores.

As i said earlier that "Old man with beard sits in heaven" bothered me.I am trying do defend my view,that's all.AND I SAID THOSE DEBATES DON'T FIND ANSWER! Debate=Big argue.What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with that is you don't even debate or argue, you just keep posting your "opinions" without even answering the ones addressed to your argument.
I know the name-calling bothers you and there is nothing wrong with defending your view but you said...

What's the point to argue?I am a believer,you'r not,simple as that.

...what's the point in arguing then when you yourself know that it will result in nothing. You are a believer, they are not, simple as that. No matter how many times you post your "opinion", you know nothing will be changed, the name-calling will still continue even if you come up with a decent argument (which is yet I have to see). YET YOU STILL CONTINUE TO POST WHEN YOU'RE FULLY AWARE THAT NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED EVEN IF YOU DEFEND YOUR "OPINION".

To quote your opinion...

Everyone has the right to believe

Everyone should find their faith by themselves.

I am not pushing my faith to others,

Your opinion is that everyone has the right to believe and find faith by themselves. Then why bother defending your view when you clearly know that they will still believe what they believe. The name-calling may bother you and still continue but it is your opinion that others have the right to believe whatever they want, SO LET THEM BE. No amount of "defending" will sway that, as you believe yourself. The more you force yourself to "defend" your view the more you push your faith to others, which is contradictory to your opinion (quoted above in red).

I think you have serious problems with your nerves.Why to piss off?

I think you have a problem with you logic. Why to be stupid?



And you still haven't answered cyanide's and my question regarding the other religions.



Admit it, you are an attention-seeking troll.

[Joe the Space Marine]

http://www.historian.net/shroud.htm

I have just read up on the shroud. It seems autentic enough, but even if it was Jesus, what does it proof?

[shadowgrin]

The Shroud of Turin.


WTF.
How did the argument get there?


I think vinceair just keeps pulling random things out of his ass when he's cornered to a wall and can't "defend" his arguments properly.
Confusion by misdirection of the topic?

[MikeMan™]

The Shroud ?
That's the talking bush on fire right ?

- That talking bush on fire is real , I believe that talking bush was found near Mt. Sinai . . .

- Magma Lines below that tree made the bush on fire and the gas from the Magma Lines below hallucinated the guy, that's how he saw visions . ( It's like the one called " Trans " from the Early Romans )

- and like what shadowgrin said ; answer cyanide's Q !

[shadowgrin]

God damn it MikeDwyane. This is addressed to you and vinceair:

Just shut the fuck up. You really know nothing about it do you? If you know nothing about it, shut the fuck up.

[MikeMan™]

I'm just scratching an itch caused by those kind of people . . .

[shadowgrin]

Your answer even made less sense compared to what vinceair does.

If you have nothing to contribute to the argument, please shut up.

[MikeMan™]

Okay , I'll Zip Out . . . ( But I'll be back )

[Joe the Space Marine]

A book (Bible) is proof of that.

The Bible isn't proof of anything. It's a collection of stories written by various people over the space of 1500 years and compiled years and years afterwards by other people who weren't involved in any of the events that were said to have taken place. It's not an encyclopedia. Anyway, I know you won't but I'll post it nonetheless. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Lol. So Jesus is the son of god by majority rule. That's awesome.

[Donatello]

Wait. Wait. Wait.

WAIT.

WAIT.

Vinceair just sent me a private message letting me know that since he has trouble getting his ideas down in text form, he has recorded a YouTube video to explain his side of the debate. I encourage everyone to watch it. It certainly opened my eyes to what he's saying.

phpBB [video]

[MikeMan™]

I already knew what's coming because of the title . . .
and the title reminded me of him . . .

- When I just heard it , I thought it was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger . But I was disappointed when I looked at the screen and saw a dude just speaking baby language .

[Joe the Space Marine]

He made more sense than Bush ever did. I bet his pronunciation of nuclear is better too. And I don't mean a burning bush Mike.

[MikeMan™]

The Shroud of Turin was IMO a burning bush thought to be G.O.D.

- He used that appearance to talk with the bearded dude .

[shadowgrin]

Your answer even made less sense compared to what vinceair does.

God damn it MikeDwyane.

Just shut the fuck up. You really know nothing about it do you? If you know nothing about it, shut the fuck up.

[Joe the Space Marine]

I'll try. A piece of cloth = a burning bush = god. nope, lost me.

And private jokes are meant to be shared with at least one other person than yourself.

[MikeMan™]

Oh shit !
I fucked up big time !
Man , I need to stop drinking beer !
It really fucks up my mind . . .

Oh , I remember now , the Shroud of Turin was that cloth thought to be used when Jesus was dead .


- Thank You History Channel for saving me from further humiliation . . .

- Hail the Almighty " T.V. " , Hail the " Knowledgeable One " !

[J@3]

MikeMan seriously just don't post in this thread anymore. Don't reply to this, just leave it. You're not doing yourself any favors.

[MikeMan™]

MikeMan seriously just don't post in this thread anymore. Don't reply to this, just leave it. You're not doing yourself any favors.

Sorry But . . .

I'm just scratching an itch caused by those kind of people . . .

[Joe the Space Marine]

I wonder if he considers himself entertaining and funny.

[shadowgrin]

Continue scratching your itch MikeDwyane and I'm sure Jae will have no problem scratching an itch with a certain button.
I have no problems with Jae scratching his itch with that button, and I'm sure others here feel the same way as I do.

[MikeMan™]

I wonder if he considers himself entertaining and funny.

Who me ?
In my normal state , no .
But when I'm in my drunk state , that's another story .

- shadowgrin , what button ?

Edit : Oh yeah , he's from Admin
( But this is an opinion thread , right ? )

[Joe the Space Marine]

If you yourself don't even think you are funny or entertaining, why post so much?