v1.08 released...

[Andrew]

In case you haven't seen it anywhere else:

I've completed version 1.08 of the current roster update for NBA Live 2003, and you can download it here.

Please note that this is the first update for the offseason. Not all rookies have correct jersey numbers, the Dstats still require updating, and there's plenty of offseason left to go so there'll be more transactions to make in the near future. It is not recommended you start a new Franchise with these rosters just yet.

Some of the features of v1.08 include:
- Rosters updated through July 3rd, 2003
- 56 of the 58 draft picks added
- Quite a few players have updated ratings
- Retired players have been deleted

I've included a tweaked version of the roster as usual, but the "uninjured" version will remain the same as the regular version of the rosters throughout the offseason. I have not added Nedzad Sinanovic or Xue Yuyang as I am yet to find info on Sinanovic, and Yuyang is not expected to play in the NBA this year.

All first round picks have been placed on their respective teams. A few second round picks have also been added to their team's roster, but most of them remain in the free agent pool. I will shuffle this around as rookies and free agents sign with teams.

I have made the first pass in updating player ratings. I'll probably do this a few times during the offseason. I'll also be happy to fix up any player appearances as well as adding headbands and other accessories. I hope to update the Dstats by the next version, and I'll attempt to improve the overall team rankings.

As usual, please base all feedback on v1.08. Enjoy.

[Gottlieb]

i havnt tried this one yet, but im sure it rox as always.

thx alot for this patch , ill be sure to notify u if seen any errors.

[Andrew]

You're welcome. Any corrections would be greatly appreciated.

[Nick]

Ok, i have some corrections.

I posted in the other thread that i disagree with lebron and melo's ratings...here's why..

In the patch, I think LeBron's FT is too high, (nbadraft.net stated that FT is one of his major weaknesses...i think it should be changed to 66 or so...yours was 78 i think)
I think his 3-pt is too low ( it's only 72 i think...it should be about 79+...no biggy there...)
I think his defensive awareness is a tad too high (i think you made it 80. nbadraft said his defensive aggression is yet to improve...so maybe 73 would be a better rating... and steals could go down from what is it, 72?... to 65)
he should be quiker...you gave him 84 quik and 88 speed...it should be more 87 quik and 89 speed i think..
I think there are some other things for LeBron...can't remember what though...I'll post my full LeBron ratings later...i think mine are perfect.

Melo...
I don't know much about Melo...all i know is that his jump should go down from 90 to about 79. nbadraft.net stated that one of his weaknesses is that he lacks a good leaper.

Great job overall. It takes time to make things like that, as i said before, so keep up the great work..i love using your rosters.

Oh, one more thing. please make jarvis hayes's skin colour one tone higher. cheers.

[Swoosh]

Yeah, downloaded it, played couple half games and looked at the newest players and ratings(my roster still was from februari without smush parker and couple others). But to continue on what nick said, i think he is right but i would like to add one more thing, one of lebron's better aspects of his game is his vision and passings skills and if i recall correct in the game its only 76(i could've looked wrong ), little bit low. Luv what you did with stoudemire , and hilario and glen rice and almost everybody, u edited most player ratings, couple are still wrong in my opinion but no biggy . Though in the games i played my shooting % was off limits, it usually is but even against a better oponent i hit almost 80% and de cpu below 50%, i know this is a commen trend but lately i adjusted my game quite wel but i had a team with duncan, yao, sprewell in frontcourt and at the bench chandler and hilario, they practically couldnt miss, dunno if it has to do with the update but just guessing , sometimes u just play more games with that kinda %'s.

[Andrew]

I think there are some other things for LeBron...can't remember what though...I'll post my full LeBron ratings later...i think mine are perfect.

Sure thing. I was only going by what I read, and I hadn't read anything about his free throw ability. Ratings are easily fixed.

Melo...
I don't know much about Melo...all i know is that his jump should go down from 90 to about 79. nbadraft.net stated that one of his weaknesses is that he lacks a good leaper.

Again, my mistake. But easily fixed.

Great job overall. It takes time to make things like that, as i said before, so keep up the great work..i love using your rosters.

Thanks.

Oh, one more thing. please make jarvis hayes's skin colour one tone higher.

No problem.

Though in the games i played my shooting % was off limits, it usually is but even against a better oponent i hit almost 80% and de cpu below 50%, i know this is a commen trend but lately i adjusted my game quite wel but i had a team with duncan, yao, sprewell in frontcourt and at the bench chandler and hilario, they practically couldnt miss, dunno if it has to do with the update but just guessing

Was that after you installed v1.08? I remember changing Yao's FG rating in v1.08, but the other players you mentioned are unchanged from v1.07 (and in some cases unchanged from the original ratings). It might have just been one of those games where the CPU is firing on all cylinders.

Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming.

[Nick]

Thanks Andrew, you're great.

[joemimic]

Andrew could to tell me or point me to the location of how to tweak my roster because im looking to release my own roster but I can't find out how to tweak it and I figured you'd be the one to ask. Thanks.

[Andrew]

I'm not really an expert on tweaking rosters - I use DK's coefficients. I'm not really a fan of the tweaked rosters; I only provide them because they are popular.

[joemimic]

Well still I have no idea how to go about tweaking rosters you could give me some info?

[Andrew]

It depends how you want to tweak them.

I globally tweak all ratings by using the Toolkit's MegaModifier. This way, I can reduce ratings by a certain percentage. For example, I can reduce all field goal ratings by half if I multiply by 0.5. If I wanted to reduce all dunk ratings by 21%, I would multiply by 0.79.

You could also raise or lower all ratings by a certain integer. Remember that the numbers you are editing are the raw ratings (eg 0, which would be 50 in the game), so if you want to reduce all ratings in the game by 5, you would lower ratings in the MegaModifier by 10.

How you tweak the rosters is up to you. For example, you may want to manually adjust player ratings so that no player has higher than 90 for field goals. The best method of finding the coefficients or ratings that suit your needs is to experiment with the ratings of two teams, and play a few games to try out your tweaks. When you feel you have found the right formula, make the necessary changes for the rest of the teams.

[KDWilliams85]

Andrew,

Once again congrats on the latest...


But I think all of the 1st rounders deserve a 2-4pt increase in their ratings... Going 1st round should say something about their talent range, especially Lebron James.


One thing I noticed about Kirk Hinrich was that his primacy rating is too low... It said in his prospect report that he comes through in the clutch, and when I was playing he hardly came through. Plus. a career 49% from the arc isn't reflected. A 49% shot from Tree-Land should put his 3 rating at around 85-88. Most 3 shooters don't even shoot that well.


But overall, nice roster and I can put Lebron James in his place!

[Andrew]

Suggestions noted. I'll look into that later today.

[Swoosh]

Andrew, first of all, im gonna repeat myself again, i really luv the things u did with the rosters and all the rookies are really well made, and some players ratings dropped(accept u made iverson go down by one ,im an ai fan man ), and i played another game, and it was again the same, much of the game 20 points-15points ahead and then the end came the rain of trees so the end score was 109-106(for me )so it wasnt as close as it looked so i guess its just idd the cpu firing on all cilinders :p, but i also missed more passes this game than i did in live until now, i dont get it, must have lost my touch(and trying to blame your roster ) no but i dont know its kind of weird, but i love the rosters and the positions you changed. There is one more thingy though, if u do a franchise draft(i really like that players now arent that low at end of draft, glen rice a 77 or so yeeeeeeeey )but if u look carefully, i think in the 5th round, there are about 7 PG's at the least i think around the rating 81(u also lowere armstrong's rating, very correct nonetheless)and its kind of ennoying cuz if i need another position, a really have to go down a lot, lets say an SG, i have to go down till a rating around low 80 or high 79, but maybe there are just a lot of good 5th round pg's . And KG is about 97 now, he really plays fantastically now but i noticed that without ur rosters duncan is for certain a pick with the first three and with ur ratings he always falls to the seventh place or something(after C-Webb and Pierce, yukkie ),that will do for now . The same suggestions as the others on this board and i know im a critic but h*ll, someone has gotta do something . Keep up the great work though (y)!!!

[Swoosh]

now if i read my post, i really like to express myself with smileys do i (there u go again), sowwy for that

[Andrew]

I didn't change Allen Iverson's ratings, nor did I change KG's ratings; thus their overall ratings should be unchanged from v1.07. I can't explain Duncan not being taken higher - his ratings are unchanged from v1.07 too.

[PistolPeteMaravich]

kirk hinirch is shooting the ball from 19 ft. at 49%... whatever. ray allen and peja would be about 65% at that range. so big whoop.

[Swoosh]

Thats weird ,they did change though, wtf is my pc doing ? And i just had the greatest game i ever played, four lead changes or so, what a game, utah(me) -GS : 116-115, franchise drafted rosters
GS lineup:
Zo
Chandler
Anthony
T-mac
Billups

Utah lineup:
Curry
Stoudemire
King james ---> james vs melo and james got the better of him
Jim Jackson
A. Miller

Supersub was dell curry, jackson wasnt doing too well and dell came in and lighted the place up, what a game
POY: Curry 21pts, 6rebs,6blks(stoudemire or james should 've gotn it 22pts 11rebs and 19pts 7ass respectively)

Guezz it was the cpu after all then, sowwy


PS: the rosters im comparing with are the original rosters from the game and not your version 1.07

[Nick]

Hey Andrew,

Well, i jotted down my perspective of LeBron's ratings... i'm using nbadraft.net's profile of Bron Bron as my resource... i'll post the rating...then a bunch of quotes from nbadraft.net that relates to that rating... i'm not gonna post in colour from here on in this post because i couldnt be fucked formatting...

OVERALL RATING: 83

FG: 84
3-PT: 81

Possesses very good motion on his long range jumper as he does an excellent job of keeping his body square and his shooting with his elbow tucked in

Shows remarkable shot selection as he doesn't force too many shots

Perimeter shooting from mid-range isn't as developed as his long-range shooting

(Hmm, maybe 3-pt should be higher than FG?)

His shooting off the dribble leaves a little to be desired from 18 feet out

FT: 61

His free throw shooting must improve. Right now, he's under 70%, but this should definitely improve with experience

Struggles on the free throw line

DUNK: 89

LeBron still tends to go for the spectacular at times when a solid play is all that's necessary. But it's probably nitpicking as he likes to put on a show, and usually only brings out tricks when the game is in hand. Which for him on the HS level is usually the entire game...

Excellent finisher when running the break where he can take opponents off the dribble and rise up for the quick dunk

INSIDE SCORING: 78 (should probably be lower)

Doesn't exploit his body size enough as his post-up game offensively remains unutilized

O. REB: 68 (guessed)
JUMP: 92 (assumed)
STRENGTH: 82
QUIK: 88
SPEED: 88

On top of all this he's a physical specimen.

He has developed his body to make it a great strength,

Owns a quick first step and solid ball handling ability to get past most defenders

Not a blindingly quick player so lateral quickness on defense should be worked on

PASSING: 88 (this should probably be higher...look at how they rave on about it...it should probably be maybe 91-95)

His vision and passing skills are what sets him apart.

There are no more than 5 players in the NBA that have the vision and passing skills of LeBron.

But when you have a player with his type of passing skills, you want the offense to run through him every time down the floor, making point guard his natural position.

Shows unbelievable ability when it comes to passing the ball.

DRIBBLE: 85

Owns a quick first step and solid ball handling ability to get past most defenders

His ball handling ability is very good at the high school level, however he still needs work on maintaining better ball protection and has a tendency to get careless

O.AWARE: 88 (this should probably be higher too...maybe 90)

His vision and passing skills are what sets him apart.

There are no more than 5 players in the NBA that have the vision and passing skills of LeBron.

Simply has that uncanny court vision and knack for seeing plays develop before they occur

When penetrating to the basket, he shows tremendous body control as he can adjust his shot according to the defense

D.REB: 80

Solid rebounder who understands how to position himself well under the boards to gain easy rebounding opportunities

STEALING: 61
BLOCK: 64
D.AWARE: 65

Defensive intensity must get better

Defensively he shows solid anticipation skills when playing the passing lanes

At this point in his career his defense isn't the best but he does have the physical tools to be an outstanding defender

Not a blindingly quick player so lateral quickness on defense should be worked on

ENDURANCE: 83 (guessed)
HARDINESS: 76 (guessed...well he can't be good at everything...lol...he'll probably pull a "Penny Hardaway" anyway. )
PRIMACY: 86

Shows great poise and leadership on the court

General things to know...

NBA Comparison: Magic Johnson

Carmelo Anthony has a better jumpshot than LeBron, and a NCAA title under his belt. But LeBron has far superior upside.

Sometimes he can be a little too flashy at times as he gets caught up in the moment

Some have questioned if he has bought into all the hype about himself but to his credit it takes a certain level of brashness to handle it all

A player with his combination of size, and point guard skills is very rare. The only player to have this in the past was Magic Johnson.

The sky is truly the limit.

Has an "NBA body" at 18.

He has all the gifts to play PG, but he will likely have to start at the 2 and 3 positions before he can really run a team from the point guard position.

The game just comes so easily to him, he's the epitome of a hoops prodigy.

I hope i assist you when making LeBron's ratings. :)

[Colin]

Nice work Nick, too bad you had to go and jinx(sp?) him with the penny hardaway statement.

[Andrew]

Thanks for the info Nick. I've already changed LeBron and Melo's ratings a little, I'll make some more changes based on those suggestions and scouting reports.

[- Ace -]

Is it possible to release post playoff rosters of 2002-2003. The opening day rosters do not reflect all the roster moves.

[Andrew]

If you like I could replace the uninjured version with final 2002/2003 rosters during the offseason.

[- Ace -]

sounds good

[Swoosh]

u do mean the uninjured version of 2002-2003 rosters right?
Cuz i use the uninjured rosters of 2003-2004,they cant be left out