Chicago Bulls Thread

[Jackal]

Oh damn, I really hope it isn't another ACL tear.

Edit:

Rose has torn right meniscus, will need surgery

LOS ANGELES -- The Bulls announced on Saturday that subsequent examinations and an MRI confirmed a medial meniscus tear to Derrick Rose's right knee, which will require surgery. He is out indefinitely, and will not accompany the team on the rest of its current road trip.

Some athletes have returned after a four to five week absence from this injury. Given Rose's torn ACL on his other knee, they likely will be conservative.

Click.

[erudain]

Confirmed torn meniscus for D. Rose
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/derrick-r ... 32013.html

More or less the same injury I had back in the day (like 10 years ago)....luckily is not as bad injury as it was back then, these days it's usually 1-3 months out after the laparoscopic surgery unless you have a complication.

That's not to say that the injuries on his knees keeps adding up.

Let's kiss our central division goodbye and see what we get from management...

[BobcatsThunderBulls]

Not the ACL, but just as bad. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--derri ... 26332.html

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Me thinks Yahoo has a bad writer, as usual.

[PepsiWithCoke]

rip in peace 2013-14 Bulls season.

[chicagoRAW]

I think it's time to try to see what they can get for Deng, and if it's at all possible to make a decent trade with Boozer.

[Andrew]

If Rose decides to reattach the meniscus – usually the route taken by young players – he's expected to miss the rest of the regular season. To clip off the meniscus is a riskier long-term issue, but could have Rose back in one to two months.

With all that's happened, I guess you've got to go the safer route and write off another season. Absolutely brutal luck.

[NovU]

What a stinker. I was really hoping he'd get his confidence back soon but this might dent the problem deeper. So how long is he out for? Looking at Westbrook's case, I guess 7 to 8 months?

[erudain]

Yes, if DRose decides to go the safer route and sit...it's time for management to go into rebuild mode ASAP, and for Thibs to accept it (and we know he won't) specially with a packed draft as this next one.

It could be the quickest route to rebuild. Amnesty Boozer; sit with Deng and tell him "OK dude take a home team disccout or we trade your for a Burger and a beer"; ask Kirk what he want's to do, If he'll take a vet mínimum you bring him back so he can retire here, if he wants more money you let him go; hell you can keep or trade Noah, as his contract is very friendly or Taj.
You keep Jimmy because he's a great player and cheap; you have money to bring Mirotic over from Spain; and probably a mid 11-20 pick if you trade anyone and you pray the Cats get in the playoff and you get their pick too this year too which could be a 11-15 pick also.

Problem of course is, a lineup (if healthy) with Kirk + Jimmy + Deng + Booz + Noah is good enough to get a 4th or 5th seed...you need Thibs to play the rookies, so they get experience and of course, lose lots of games..otherwise you are at risk of getting stuck like Atlanta with being a middle of the pack team, with a washed up all-star like TMac or Grant and never getting high picks.

Edit: btw any Bulls fan here is a regular on the old Bulls Connect / new Facebook from the Bulls web that I might know? ...same Erudain here and there

[Andrew]

Yeah, on one hand it's a good opportunity to blow things up, keep a couple of players and write off the season, but there's enough talent there to be respectable and competitive. My guess is that they'll opt for the latter, though I think they do have to start exploring what they want to do with Deng. Even if Rose wasn't injured, that's a decision they were going to face.

What a stinker. I was really hoping he'd get his confidence back soon but this might dent the problem deeper. So how long is he out for? Looking at Westbrook's case, I guess 7 to 8 months?

Seems like a good guess.

The thing is, he seemed to have his confidence back as he was attacking the basket, even if the shots weren't necessarily falling. His jumpshot was probably more of an issue, despite the work he'd reportedly put into it. I guess if there's a silver lining, he didn't seem to have lost any explosiveness after what was a very serious injury to his other knee and this one, while hardly minor, isn't quite as serious and just another freak mishap. It's a setback, but it's still too early to say his career is over, as I've seen suggested elsewhere. Still a punch to the gut, though.

[NovU]

Nice to see elaborative Andrew again, it's been awhile you know. Good read nonetheless.

BTW tank with this roster, not even a chance, the whole league will notice right away dare Thib ever tried(unless ofc team deal away entire core asap which btw will take time). I think if rebuilding was ever, to begin, earliest possible start timing I think is next offseason by letting Luol walk firstly. What you guys think?

[Andrew]

I wouldn't be surprised if Deng finishes the season in a Bulls uniform and then leaves next offseason. As for Boozer, that's the only time they can amnesty him...though at that point, he is actually an expiring contract, so you could possibly get something decent in return for him.

[Moz]

I think if rebuilding was ever, to begin, earliest possible start timing I think is next offseason by letting Luol walk firstly. What you guys think?

The first thing they need to rebuild is their training staff... this team has been injury plagued for the last 3 years now.... also give Thibs a decent coaching staff...

[shadowgrin]

On the bright side if anything it's a medial meniscus tear unlike Westbrook's lateral tear.
http://deadspin.com/how-will-a-meniscus ... -482818589

Human knees have two menisci, a medial and a lateral, one on either side of the knee. Injuries to the lateral (outside) meniscus are less common, and generally more serious (one study estimated they occur about one-third as often as a medial tear). The meniscus cartilage handles shock absorption, load distribution, and joint stabilization.

Though the severity of Rose's tear isn't known...

The typical recovery time for an NBA player with a lateral meniscus tear is four to six weeks, though some take as much as several months. It's not an especially career-threatening injury

A full repair of the meniscus would likely mean a three-month recovery for Westbrook.

And there's already a player to compare upon who had both injuries (ACL, meniscus tear) similar to Rose...

It's more common to tear both the meniscus and ACL at the same time, like Iman Shumpert did last year.

I suggest Rose consult the greatest sports philosopher of our time SKIP BAYLESS for advice.

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless
For what it's worth, I had meniscus surgery on both knees. Running 1 wk later 1st time, 2 wks 2nd. Bet Westbrook misses no more than next rd

If we're going to be superstitious about it Rose's career won't ever be the same because of the injury happening in Portland.
Sam Bowie got injured in Portland.
Greg Oden got injured in Portland.
Derrick Rose got injured in Portland.

[Moz]

And there's already a player to compare upon who had both injuries (ACL, meniscus tear) similar to Rose...

Though Rose got the ACL on the left knee and the Meniscus on the right

Sam Bowie got injured in Portland.
Greg Oden got injured in Portland.
Derrick Rose got injured in Portland.

Add Bill Walton, Brandon Roy, and Dikembe Mutombo to that list to beatify the curse

[shadowgrin]

Though Rose got the ACL on the left knee and the Meniscus on the right

Which is better afaik.

[Valor]

If Rose decides to reattach the meniscus – usually the route taken by young players – he's expected to miss the rest of the regular season. To clip off the meniscus is a riskier long-term issue, but could have Rose back in one to two months.

With all that's happened, I guess you've got to go the safer route and write off another season. Absolutely brutal luck.

Wojnarowski really needs to check his sources on that, whether they clip a bit off or completely repair it depends on the severity of the injury and a decision doesn't get made until the doctors actually go in and diagnose it during the surgery. Not the player's call and it doesn't have "long term issues" or the doctors wouldn't make that call.

[Andrew]

Well, if Skip Bayless can bounce back from it, I'm sure Rose can. Concerns allayed, without a doubt!

[[Q]]

If Rose decides to reattach the meniscus – usually the route taken by young players – he's expected to miss the rest of the regular season. To clip off the meniscus is a riskier long-term issue, but could have Rose back in one to two months.

With all that's happened, I guess you've got to go the safer route and write off another season. Absolutely brutal luck.

Wojnarowski really needs to check his sources on that, whether they clip a bit off or completely repair it depends on the severity of the injury and a decision doesn't get made until the doctors actually go in and diagnose it during the surgery. Not the player's call and it doesn't have "long term issues" or the doctors wouldn't make that call.

IIRC you have the "safely repair" option only if the dammage is near the outside of the knee. if the tear is too far in, they'll have to do the "quick snip". Brandon Roy & Metta both did the quick snip and came back in 8 & 12 days respectively. Knowing Rose, he'd probably sit out until next season either way.

I think the Bulls should start tanking and trade all assets to build around Rose (if he ever comes back), Butler, & Noah

[shadowgrin]

Chris Paul also had the quick snip but it wasn't his decision to make anyway, it was the doctor's.

The long term issue with 'clipping' the damaged part is more related to being an athlete where their profession could accelerate the wear and tear of the already reduced meniscus faster than that of a normal person (mostly due to age) and experience bone on bone with the knees earlier in life, say at 50 instead of 70 years old.

Worst case example with clipping is Brandon Roy. By the time his career was over he had no more meniscus even before he reached the age of 30. BONE ON BONE!

[[Q]]

The long term issue with 'clipping' the damaged part is more related to being an athlete where their profession could accelerate the wear and tear of the already reduced meniscus faster than that of a normal person (mostly due to age) and experience bone on bone with the knees earlier in life, say at 50 instead of 70 years old.

Or like Brandon Roy at 26. You're basically shaving off part of or reducing the padding between your bones which keeps them from hurting.

[shadowgrin]

lol at the Blazers finding out too late that Roy already had 3-4 knee surgeries even before he reached the NBA.
Blazers might have the worst medical staff.

Also the Darius Miles situation.

[Valor]

If Rose decides to reattach the meniscus – usually the route taken by young players – he's expected to miss the rest of the regular season. To clip off the meniscus is a riskier long-term issue, but could have Rose back in one to two months.

With all that's happened, I guess you've got to go the safer route and write off another season. Absolutely brutal luck.

Wojnarowski really needs to check his sources on that, whether they clip a bit off or completely repair it depends on the severity of the injury and a decision doesn't get made until the doctors actually go in and diagnose it during the surgery. Not the player's call and it doesn't have "long term issues" or the doctors wouldn't make that call.

IIRC you have the "safely repair" option only if the dammage is near the outside of the knee. if the tear is too far in, they'll have to do the "quick snip". Brandon Roy & Metta both did the quick snip and came back in 8 & 12 days respectively. Knowing Rose, he'd probably sit out until next season either way.

I think the Bulls should start tanking and trade all assets to build around Rose (if he ever comes back), Butler, & Noah

and all this time I thought Ron Ron came back in 12 days cause he was too sexy for his cat

Jokes aside, I don't think Rose will sit the whole season out if it's not a serious tear. People are bashing him hard for sitting out last year after ACL and it's ridiculous, ACL injuries take two years before the person gets back to full strength anyways even though you can be cleared for full basketball activity after the 6-9 months, he was just being cautious.

Tanking has no place in sports imo, it's pathetic. Like Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game.

[shadowgrin]

Derrick Rose should get a cat.

[SoF'nAwesome]

I really feel sad for the guy. It's not that Bulls will be doomed, but Rose had a bright start on his career, and that shine might be gone by the time he is back.

[PepsiWithCoke]

And ESPN says Rose is done for the year.

RIP in peace indeed......