Trades (you make 'em)

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

I have millions of trades I think about, this is the latest:

Zydrunas Illgauskas
Ricky Davis

for

Ray Allen
Brent Barry

This would Cleveland a better team, Diop and Mihm are good players, Ricky Davis is expendable if gaining Barry and Allen, frees up $5.4 million for next year, or re-sign Barry.
Gives them Ray Allen!

G-James/Bremer/Ollie
G-Allen/James/Wagner/Kopano
F-Barry/Miles/Kopano/James
F-Boozer/Stewart/Mihm
C-Diop/Mihm

Seattle would clear-up a jammed up area of SF/SG and bring in a true Center, very needed in the West, also brings a decent player to fill in for Barry at SG in Davis.

G-Murray/Ridnour/Daniels
G-Davis/Murray/Daniels
F-Radmanovic/Lewis
F-Lewis/Radmanovic/Evans
C-Z. Illgauskas/James

Just a thought

[emadhn15]

If i was the GM, I wouldnt trade Ilgauskus, he is just one of the rare Good centers in the East

[MaD_hAND1e]

Yup, also, GM's rarely trade a big man, without getting one in return... so big man for guards.... wouldn't do it

[Matt]

i think getting R Allen would get Cavs to the playoffs this season but not very far. They'd be weak up front and Ray Allen and James would have to be shooting the lights out all the time.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Ok so I might be wrong here, but 21-74 with Illgauskas starting at Center over last and this season makes a good case for a change.

I just think using Diop and Mihm and adding a few veterans that could score and handle the ball and pressure would be a good idea, guess not, just keep a man for his position or size in spite of the results.

21 of 95 games won.
26 straight road losses.
9 of 13 losses with Z + Bron.
I know, I know, they are young... etc..ect.
Z is not young.

How about Miles and Z for Allen and Barry?

[Matt]

hmmmm. I don't think the Sonics would want to have Miles. It seems as though the deal really is R Allen and B Barry for Z with Miles as a throw in.

heres my trade proposal
Ricky Davis for Mo Peterson and maybe someone else to fulfill cap rules

why this deal works
1. Raps get a much needed scorer
2. Cavs have shown interest in dealing Ricky Davis =>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1667401
3. Mo Pete can be the stable SG that Silas can rely on, plus gets to start and isn't selfish
4. Raps would want R Davis to be selfish because besides Davis and Carter no one is scoring

[Boyk]

yes, after watching the Wolves Cavs game today, it seems like Ricky isnt enjoying himself as much as last year.

if he was to get traded, please anywhere but Toronto.

[MaD_hAND1e]

Why not Zydrunas and Davis for Radmanovic, Allen and Antonio Daniels?

Cleveland get a big man, with no injury problems and can play outside. They could use Diop to clog the middle as he develops. They get Ray Allen for consistent shooting and Daniels who can be the spark off the bench if he is given the chance to play.

Seattle get a solid big man to bang around other centers in the west and with Barry and Lewis who have prooved they can score on a nightly basis, Davis will get more open looks and become more efficient.

salaries match, and it works for both teams

[Fresh8]

Here's a trade!
Kobe "Ripper" Bryant FOR Tracy Macgrady

But it won't happen! hahahaha!

But here's another one...
Eddie Griffen/Cat Mobley FOR Allan Houston/Some other dude...would Dice fit in (If he doesn't do well...)

I would like to see this trade cause i have heard critics goin on about how Houston would fit in with Stevie in Houston...And Eddie going away with his problems...and missing him wouldn't be too bad cause we still got Cato! Cat going to the Knicks...they have to get someone in return for Houston!...But- maybe i'm dreaming!

[Fresh8]

And if Reef was to be traded OUT of Atlanta...where would he go to...he's a great player on a bad team....poor him!

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Alan Houston makes $15,937,500 and McDyess $13,500,000.

Cuttino Mobley makes $5,394,125, Griffin $2,312,760.

The only way Houston could get A.Houston and the above players, Mobley and Griffin, the Rockets would have to include Maurice Taylor ($7,800,000) or Kelvin Cato ($7,344,000).

New York would have to give more than Alan Houston for a combination of the three. Like Lampe, Sweetney and O. Harrington.

I don't know what Jeff Van Gundy thinks of Alan Houston, he certainly knows him, but Houston's contract is one of the richest in the NBA still to come are salaries of $17,531,250 next year, $19,125,000 in two years and finally the huge last year of $20,718,750, that is pretty big money for a guy who puts up numbers like 21.5ppg 2.5reb 2.5ast.

[Stevan]

Jalen Rose for Michael Finley.

[Jackal]

I dont think Cuban would let Finley go, I wouldnt let Finley go for Rose.

[Filip]

I would most def. let Fake-ass-Finley go for Rose.
Jalen Rose is twice as good as Fake-ass-Finley.

[Shep]

Finley = better than Rose

[Jackal]

Finley = better than Rose

Once we agree .

Why is he fake ass Finley, Slam?

Finley:

PPG: 14.0
RPG: 4.8
APG: 3.0

Rose:

PPG: 14.1
RPG: 4.0
APG: 3.8

[Filip]

Cause he is a overated smuck that gets way to much minuts to play.
He plays guard and he can only put up with 14points a game
in 39 minuts.
I say put him on the bench or trade him and put Jamison (who
BTW does more in less minuts than F-A-Finley)

Finley:

PPG: 14.0
RPG: 4.8
APG: 3.0

Rose:

PPG: 14.1
RPG: 4.0
APG: 3.8

The difference is that F-A-Finley does it 39minuts and Rose does it in just 34minuts.

[The Big Racist]

Slam you have tottlay wrong understanding about Finley!
See Finley's and Rose's averages are pretty much the same but as you know Dallas has 6 all-stars and it isn't wasy to score 20 ppg if you have 5 all-stars beside you but Rose hasn't these scorers that can give you 20 ppg everynight and Rose has to score more cause he takes more shots than Finley can ...so Finley=better than Rose!

[Filip]

Yes, it may harder to score ind. in a team as Dallas but what about Jamison? He almost scores as high as F-A-Finley in 12 minuts less and
he has only played totally 13 games with the team.

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Let's say you are Michael Jordan and everyone else on your team stinks, you may get more shots because of this, but it's not easier to score facing constant triple and double teams, Michael Finley will never face double teams with Dallas, whereas teams do double Jalen Rose, also if a team has a group of good players that pass well, run and are well coached, it's going to be easier to score, especially when as a team you score more than everyone else and play in the west where the scoring is up. Where in the East and with the Bulls, they didn't and do not have a good system or a good team and virtually no one passing well or playing well enough to get Jalen all the open looks Finley gets.

With all that said, Jalen Rose is a cancer to any team, this jerk could ruin any team's chances of pulling together and winning something, they said this about Nick Van Exel and it seemed everyone thought the world of him when he joined Dalllas, but you saw they shipped him out too. So Dallas has no interest in Jalen Rose, I can assure you.

[DrNick]

any good sg for kittlez n williamz

[Filip]

J.Rose yesterday
Points:4
Rebounds:2
Assists:2
Minuts:6


M.Finley Yesterday
Points:28
Rebounds:2
Assists:6
Minuts:33

[Stevan]

I would trade Rose for Finley any day of the week. It's not like the Bulls don't have offensive options this season, and Rose has not really played well, though yes he has been comming back from injury. Michael Finley has also shown that he can be professional, a team player. Rose is selfish and Crawford is showing sings too, it would be good to eliminate that since the Bulls have some options. Yay for team ball

[Matt]

Yay for team ball

ehehe, that's what all the crap players say.........nah, team ball wins games

anyway, i think Raps need to trade JYD for a player who is similar but is more reliable on offense. Vince can't do it all alone. Or maybe JYD can stay if Raps have a staring lineup of
G A Williams
G VC
F L Murray
F JYD
C A Davis

and have Bosh on the bench

[paul_pierce_the_truth]

Yay for team ball

ehehe, that's what all the crap players say.........nah, team ball wins games

anyway, i think Raps need to trade JYD for a player who is similar but is more reliable on offense. Vince can't do it all alone. Or maybe JYD can stay if Raps have a staring lineup of
G A Williams
G VC
F L Murray
F JYD
C A Davis

and have Bosh on the bench

Raptors Stats

You want the offense to go up, so you bench the second leading scorer?
I suggest getting a point guard who doesn't average 3.4ppg over 19.6min.
Next I would suggest getting someone who can't shoot the ball from the outside, like Carter can, but someone playing Forward (Morris Peterson seems to be this person but for some reason )
I really believe Kevin O'Neill is a dud coach, people around the league help their friends by saying what a great coach they would be, O’Neill spent one season under Jeff Van Gundy in New York (2000-01) and the past two seasons with Rick Carlisle in Detroit, not exactly offensive minded coaches, good coaches yes, but not scorer first coaches, O'Neill doesn't have Patrick Ewing, Yao Ming or Jermaine O'Neal, he should coach like he has Vince Carter.

I know I am just some guy sitting at home and throwing this stuff out here, but seriously if Toronto were smart, they would have hired a coach who didn't learn form Rick Carlisle, they should have looked at Ben Wallace and said "We can't do what Carlisle did with Detroit." Antonio Davis has always been a banger, but he doesn't dive after loose balls and block many shots, this whole defense scheme is built around such players.

The closest thing Toronto has to a defensive player inside is Bosh, Chris Bosh should be the last player going to the bench except for Carter.

Why not play Jerome Moiso, who in the playoffs last season looked very good on defense and finished well around the hoop? Why sign him and leave him sitting there? This guy blocked 44 shots last year in 644 minutes (A.Davis has blocked 7 this year in 501 minutes) and got 3.5 rebounds in just 12.6 minutes, playing behind the likes of Elden Campbell for awhile, Jamaal Magloire and PJ Brown.

Who in the heck signed Mengke Bateer?

Michael Curry is always praised for his being the player's rep for the NBA and what a great leader he is, how about getting a rebound now and then?
This guy has grabbed 11 rebounds, dished 14 assists, managed 2 steals and not one block, what the hell does this dude bring other than some so-called leadership. Face it, it's talk, bring something or shut-up.

Look at the good players and build around them, keep Antonio Davis and his 9.6 rebs, keep JYD and his great hustle and 8.9 rebs, keep Vince Carter because he is awesome, and make Chris Bosh your second option on offense. Then screw everyone else, Alvin Williams? Mo Pete? Milt Palicio? Lamond Murray? What do they do for Toronto, Murray shoots 35% from the floor and has 18 assits in 14 games. Alvin Williams is gone, where he is I do not know. The GM of Toronto does Morris Peterson's laundry right in front of everyone, deal him already, throw him in with Alvin Williams and ask Chicago for Jamal Crawford, include a pick, do anything to get a guard that get a double now and then to free-up Bosh and Carter, one that create his own shot.

I could analize forever, I know I shouldn't do this and not mention that my team Boston, is horrible, poorly coached and in need of another scorer like there's no tomorrow, yes trading Antoine Walker for Raef LaFrentz is a bust, I can help it, it's true, Tonie busted his ass in the offseason to get in shape, he felt bad about not producing more and leading the C's and got in great shape, then Ainge tosses him off for Jiri Welsch who can't shoot, Raef LaFrentz and his huge contract and bad knee and Chris Mills? Delk I do not miss, he's so one-skilled it's nasty.

But those are my feelings on Toronto, they need a guard to create something for himself and others and a forward that take it to the basket, slashing type, not some one-skilled shooter like Peterson.