Pistons eye Melo

[Oskar]

MarcoJose, Melo is an excellent player. So stop picking ..

[The X]

Firstly, Melo should be out of the USA team.

wtf?!? Melo is USA's best player....without Melo, the US has no chance of winning gold....Melo's game is perfectly suited to the international style of game....

USA's best player?
you can't even put the word "best" next to his name at any league..

obviously you haven't been paying any attention to the US team....in the international game, Melo is much more important of a player to team US than say a Lebron James or Dwayne Wade....no comparison....in the international game, hitting midrange jumpshots & perimeter jumpshots are important....

[Oskar]

I agree with The X.

[GoHornets]

I agree with Oskar.
I think Detroit should get Anthony, they need to shake up their roster, something like the O'neal - Phoenix thing, but more efective

[kinokong]

y would detroit trade a 24 year old all-star who hasn't even reached his prime.... sure he hasn't had much success in the playoffs yet but he's still young and if in the eastern conference, he probably would be dueling it out in at least the 2nd round of the playoffs with lebron...... this smells like a bs rumor unless denver wants to make cap space for lebron....

[Andrew]

y would detroit trade a 24 year old all-star who hasn't even reached his prime.... sure he hasn't had much success in the playoffs yet but he's still young and if in the eastern conference, he probably would be dueling it out in at least the 2nd round of the playoffs with lebron...... this smells like a bs rumor unless denver wants to make cap space for lebron....

I'm guessing you mean Denver, since Detroit would not be trading a 24 year old All-Star. I would say that's the key thing to remember amidst all these rumours, teams reportedly have interest in Melo but the Nuggets haven't been reported as being interested in trading him away. I doubt they're looking to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron.

[Laxation]

Id like to trade Billups for Melo, and Sheed for J O'neal...

Im happy to take the risk of Oneal becoming healthy under our trainer. Kander did wonders for Dice...

[CMJ3]

I doubt this would happen, seriously teams can be interested all they want but the Nuggets especially George Karl wouldnt have interest in giving up Melo. AI should be the one moved along with Camby, Martin, Atkins and Carter. Basically move the old before the young...

[benji]

Id like to trade Billups for Melo, and Sheed for J O'neal..

Oh, good darko no. One of the leagues best shooters and offensive players for Glenn Robinson with more dunks? Rasheed Wallace for the leagues biggest jump shooting $21 million black hole?

I don't get the Stuckey love...yeah he can create shots, but he made 37% of them from the floor in the playoffs. He was at 40% during the season. Deal Stuckey while people think he's some kind of playoff star. He is far from ready to fill Billups' shoes.

The only trade I'd make is sending Wallace out for a big man and perimeter player (I'd rather have J.R. Smith than Anthony) to bring off the bench. Clear the way for studs Maxiell and Amir Johnson to play more. Also deal Prince if a good enough offer comes along, that contract is a bitch for what he does offensively.

[Laxation]

deal Prince if a good enough offer comes along, that contract is a bitch for what he does offensively.

I loved him in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, he was MVP by far.
But if we have to go against Pierce or Lebron every year, then deal him for a shit offer. Any offer. He can't match up to the bigger guys and doesn't ever shut them down.

At least with Melo he would be able to score to offset his defensive inability...

I'd love to come into next season with Prince and Billups gone.
I dont care if Stuckey isn't ready, Billups' attitude is shit, and he hasn't hit a big shot since 04.
He loathed around the court on defence and let his man get past him time and time again - its the reason our big men got in foul trouble and gave up so many FTs.
His attitude just emanates through the team, and I'm sick of it.

Sheed is inconsistent as hell, but I still like him... Id like to see him get used as a trading piece for someone good - like Melo.

I dont get how Amir is a stud... he has done nothing stud-worthy. Maxiell is a stud if you're concerning him with being a perenial 6th man, he can't be any more than that until he grows something past 6'5"...

As for O'Neal, he might be a jump shooting black hole, but he rebounds and can score in the post. I'd trade that for Sheed any day. (They shoot the same % anyway...)

[benji]

O'Neal has shot 44%, 44%, 47%, 45% from the floor the last four years, while using 25%, 28%, 29% and 36% of possessions. Sheed has done 50%, 49%, 50% and 47% from the floor while only using 20-22% of possessions. He's also done that with 50% fewer turnovers. Yeah, O'Neal rebounds more but not enough to offset the shooting and turnovers and insane usage rates.

Amir and Maxiell have done plenty of things to show how they are studs in waiting. Look at the stats. Look at them play. Those two are the future of this team. Maxiell shot 58%, pulled down 12% of offensive boards, while only turning it over 11% of the time and swatted 3.4% of shots. Johnson also shot 58%, with 13.5% of offensive rebounds, and swatted 6.8% (greater than anybody else playing 500+ minutes) while tearing the NBDL apart.

I'd love to come into next season with Prince and Billups gone.
I dont care if Stuckey isn't ready, Billups' attitude is shit, and he hasn't hit a big shot since 04.

I don't see any of that, I see the same Billups as always. Only under Flip he became a dominant offensive player. I would hate to go into next season with Billups replaced by Stuckey and Hunter. It'd cost the Pistons at least four points on offense and ten wins.

its the reason our big men got in foul trouble and gave up so many FTs.

Hmm? Pistons didn't commit all that many shooting fouls, they were in the lower half of the league. They were no New Orleans or Houston, but who is? It's not like they were the Knicks or Grizzlies.

I forgot they had Herrmann. Him and Samb need more minutes next season as well.

Why do I have a feeling Curry won't be giving any of these guys their well-deserved minutes in favor of Theo Ratliff?

[Laxation]

O'Neal has shot 44%, 44%, 47%, 45% from the floor the last four years, while using 25%, 28%, 29% and 36% of possessions. Sheed has done 50%, 49%, 50% and 47% from the floor while only using 20-22% of possessions. He's also done that with 50% fewer turnovers. Yeah, O'Neal rebounds more but not enough to offset the shooting and turnovers and insane usage rates.

The stats I have show Sheed at .474 for his career, O'Neal at .459
Both have dropped noticeable since that in the last couple years, but Sheed shot around .430 or lower the last 3 years.
I guess you didn't count 3s... But I don't see how they're any different.

Amir and Maxiell have done plenty of things to show how they are studs in waiting. Look at the stats. Look at them play. Those two are the future of this team. Maxiell shot 58%, pulled down 12% of offensive boards, while only turning it over 11% of the time and swatted 3.4% of shots. Johnson also shot 58%, with 13.5% of offensive rebounds, and swatted 6.8% (greater than anybody else playing 500+ minutes) while tearing the NBDL apart.

I love Max, I do... but he is just too short to be anything great. He is not untradeable and could be used as a piece in a trade.
That said, I think Pistons fans overrate him because he eats so many babies.

Amir could be a beast or a bust, he just hasn't played enough to show which way yet. I'd still love to keep him, but he is a stud just yet.
Maybe if he played more with Samb like in that Lakers game... dam that was awesome!

Hmm? Pistons didn't commit all that many shooting fouls, they were in the lower half of the league. They were no New Orleans or Houston, but who is? It's not like they were the Knicks or Grizzlies.

I'm just talking about the playoffs vs. Boston.
Billups didn't abuse Rondo in the post like he should have. But hey, maybe Rondo just is that good... He's raping Fisher now, thats for sure.
I still don't like Billups' attitude, what he showed in the 3rd quarter of game 5 just pissed me off to no end.
More to the point, why the fuck is his nickname still Mr Big shot...

Hermann and Samb FTW.
I don't care if we lose more regular season games, my favourite game of the year was watching us lose to the Lakers, but also watching the block party the youngsters gave us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxLXmKSukCE

[benji]

I did count three pointers. They are different because they're worth an extra point. Wallace shot around 50% because of that, while O'Neal is closer to 45%, while jacking up 25-75% more shots.

Height isn't a big deal to me. Height gives a great player an advantage, but can't save a lousy player. I can live with Maxiell's height if he continues to play like he does.

Don't forget that Billups was still injured in the Boston series, and that him and Rip were the only starters to show up for games five and six. (Yeah, I know Sheed hit all those threes in game five, he didn't really do anything else though and was completely ineffective in game six.)

More to the point, why the fuck is his nickname still Mr Big shot...

Because the media is stupid and picked that up from Bill Laimbeer during the 2004 Finals to explain their lack of understanding over Billups and the Pistons, and now they just repeat it endlessly over and over because that's what they do.

I don't care if we lose more regular season games

You lose enough regular season games and you don't make the playoffs...

That obviousness said, I was using the damage to the regular season record to show how it would damage the team. Even the best teams can lose four of seven games, especially with an unfavorable matchup, so projecting playoff performance is too complex to do on the fly like I can regular season projections.

[Matthew]

I'd rather have J.R. Smith than Anthony

Wow.

And you call Carmelo a Glenn Robinson with more dunks. Robinson was a damn good player during his time in Milwaukee. But I guess you'd rather Isiah Rider then him...

[Oskar]

I'd rather have J.R. Smith than Anthony

How did the grass look like which you smoked ? Melo is a damn good player.

[benji]

Good job to both of you for completely removing the statement from context in order to argue against yet another strawman.

But I guess you'd rather Isiah Rider then him...

Why would you ever guess that? Even the proposed situation is completely incomparable. There hasn't been anybody in the NBA to ever produce seasons like J.R. Smith has the last two, especially not Isaiah Rider so I can't fathom how Rider should even be mentioned. Ray Allen would've been a better player to use, and even that would be imperfect and still ignore the context of the original statement.

[Scotty]

First of all, Melo's agent says Melo wont be going to Detroit and it is highly unlikely that he'll even be traded: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... r_detroit/

And second of all i hope that Denver wouldn't have been stupid enough to trade Melo and Camby for Sheed and Prince

I like Rasheed, he's a good player, but Prince? Nope, not a fan, he's half the player Melo is on the offensive end. Obviously far superior in Defense, but everyone knows that... And Camby? He is our Defense, Nuff said.

Btw i dont know what i'd do if this trade did go down. Camby and Melo are my 2 favourite players...

Lucky it's not though...

[Matthew]

Good job to both of you for completely removing the statement from context in order to argue against yet another strawman.

Where was the argument? I said "wow." and moved on.

Why would you ever guess that? Even the proposed situation is completely incomparable. There hasn't been anybody in the NBA to ever produce seasons like J.R. Smith has the last two, especially not Isaiah Rider so I can't fathom how Rider should even be mentioned. Ray Allen would've been a better player to use, and even that would be imperfect and still ignore the context of the original statement.

"good job for completely removing the statement from context in order to argue against yet another strawman..."

[benji]

Abstract: Wow.

So with "wow", you were not implying something similar to what Oskar said? (Especially with the declarations re: Glenn Robinson, implying that by comparing Anthony to Robinson, along with the preference for J.R. Smith, I was making a claim of neither being a good player...something Oskar took the preference of one player over another to mean.) Was it more of an agreeing "wow, benji is all wise what with his realization it would be easier to get J.R. Smith without gutting the Pistons' backcourt"? What was the purpose of your "wow" statement then? Was it not an implied criticism of my statement without any substance or actual stated argument?

And I removed your statement from the context you were using? You were not comparing a statement of prefering Isaiah Rider over Glenn Robinson to my removed from context statement of prefering J.R. Smith over Carmelo Anthony? While also drawing comparisons between Glenn Robinson and Carmelo Anthony, implying an inherent comparison between Isaiah Rider and J.R. Smith, while blatantly implying I would for whatever reason also prefer Isaiah Rider? For your statement to have any apparent value, would it not require a similarity between Rider and Smith, which I was addressing in my claim of their great differences?

My questioning of why that would be guessed was ignored, likely and hopefully because I addressed it by answering it myself in the negative.

But I guess you'd rather imply that your posts have no inherent argument and are just meaningless and exacting statements with no underlying reason for existance...

[BIG GREEN]

The credence of your post was impugned in the first paragraph when oskar was used for reference.

I'd rather have J.R. Smith than Anthony

How did the grass look like which you smoked ?

The prosecution rests.

[Wacky Bibe]

Firstly, Melo should be out of the USA team.

wtf?!? Melo is USA's best player....without Melo, the US has no chance of winning gold....Melo's game is perfectly suited to the international style of game....

USA's best player?
you can't even put the word "best" next to his name at any league..

obviously you haven't been paying any attention to the US team....in the international game, Melo is much more important of a player to team US than say a Lebron James or Dwayne Wade....no comparison....in the international game, hitting midrange jumpshots & perimeter jumpshots are important....

You don't even put Kobe in your claim. I think you're the one who's not paying much attention to the US team. They haven't won any gold with the media claiming Melo is the best US player yet.

Anyway, to the nuggets, just listen to this fan..

[Matthew]

Abstract: Wow.

So with "wow", you were not implying something similar to what Oskar said? (Especially with the declarations re: Glenn Robinson, implying that by comparing Anthony to Robinson, along with the preference for J.R. Smith, I was making a claim of neither being a good player...something Oskar took the preference of one player over another to mean.) Was it more of an agreeing "wow, benji is all wise what with his realization it would be easier to get J.R. Smith without gutting the Pistons' backcourt"? What was the purpose of your "wow" statement then? Was it not an implied criticism of my statement without any substance or actual stated argument?

And I removed your statement from the context you were using? You were not comparing a statement of prefering Isaiah Rider over Glenn Robinson to my removed from context statement of prefering J.R. Smith over Carmelo Anthony? While also drawing comparisons between Glenn Robinson and Carmelo Anthony, implying an inherent comparison between Isaiah Rider and J.R. Smith, while blatantly implying I would for whatever reason also prefer Isaiah Rider? For your statement to have any apparent value, would it not require a similarity between Rider and Smith, which I was addressing in my claim of their great differences?

My questioning of why that would be guessed was ignored, likely and hopefully because I addressed it by answering it myself in the negative.

But I guess you'd rather imply that your posts have no inherent argument and are just meaningless and exacting statements with no underlying reason for existance...

Let this be a warning to everyone else: Don't say "wow" from now on.

I can't believe someone is so insecure that they would feel the need to respond to "wow" in that fashion.

Wow indeed.

[benji]

I didn't respond to "wow" with that. I responded to your claim that your posts have no meaning.

I can't believe someone is so insecure that they would feel the need to avoid any actual discussion of anything that isn't other forum members. And so insecure that they refuse to even attempt it, lest they actually be forced to support their claims.

Although I don't know why I keep expecting it from you of all people.

See. Anyone can play this stupid and laughable prepubescent game. It is boring, and not even worthy of this forum.

I'm rubber, you're glue. I know you are, but what am I. Wow indeed.

[Matthew]

I love it how you assume. It's like a dog chasing its own tail...

[benji]

What did I incorrectly assume? Enlighten me.