Kidd (finally) traded to Dallas

how the fuck does devean george have a no trade clause?

how the fuck does devean george have a no trade clause?

How dare you? George is pure supahstah.

how the fuck does devean george have a no trade clause?

So he can prevent Dallas from possibily ruining their own future.

Last edited by JT_55 on Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:25 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Kidd shoots 48% overall, and 44% from the floor. He turns it over on 23.6% of possessions. Gets rebounds, but not offensive ones. Doesn't really get to the line.

Yep. Inefficient. And he's not the best defensive backcourt player anymore.

Devin Harris by comparison shoots 59% and 52%. Turns it over 16.4% of the time. And gets to the line about 3.5 times as often. Also, probably one of the three best defensive point guards.

Hmm, I can understand how he's inefficient offensively, but doesn't his assists make up for Harris' lack of assists? And his defensive rebounds helps a little? Just a little?

In light of what has just happened, somewhere out there, Kidd must be super pissed. George will go down as the biggest party pooper in the history of the NBA.

George has a no trade clause because he signed a only one year contract over the offseason, so if agrees to the trade he loses his birds rights (which means the New Jersey if they chose to resign him in the offseason couldn't offer him a contract that would allow them to go over the cap, I.E. can only offer the Mid-Level exception or the minimum). Makes sense for George not to not want to do it since its doubtful, NJ wouldn't give him the the MDL, and he wouldn't want the minimum. Plus it is America's Armpit after all...

I think personally, Mark Cuban will find a way around this. George only ameks about $2.5 million so they can probably replace him. Not to mention Dallas still holds the rights to Keith Van Horn can "sign" him to a $2.5 million 1 year (guaranteed) deal and use that instead..

Last edited by Chaser7 on Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There was a side trade also of Antoine Wright to Dallas for a second round pick, but that was made assuming this trade went through I think. That trade would still go through I'd assume. Lol at Devean freaking George blocking this deal.

Kidd is better at getting assists and rebounds than Harris...but so what? Those things do not matter anywhere near as much as making shots, not turning it over, and making free throws.

The Nets shoot 48% without Kidd, that means every shot Kidd takes (at 44%) costs them points.

The defensive team rebounds a miss 70+% of a time. The value of assists has been debated, even so despite what Scoop Jackson claims, it barely correlates with winning. The logic Hollinger uses at least, is that the assister simply has to pass it, the other player has to catch and shoot. Thus, the assist is only worth 1/3rd the value of simply making a basket.

The only way to assume Kidd's assists and rebounds can make up for Harris being better at almost everything else, is to assume that everything you do on the court is of complete equal value.

George has a no trade clause because he signed a only one year contract over the offseason, so if agrees to the trade he loses his birds rights

George doesn't have any bird rights. He changed teams as a free agent within the last three years.

EDIT: Apparently, he qualifies for the early bird exception...but why would he hold up the trade? It's not like the Mavericks plan on resigning him is it?

well, who would want to play on a losing too team anyway? It's not as if he will be guaranteed a contract on the nets roster next year.

i wonder what this will do for the Mavs iso offence....if it eventually does go through

devean george with the block of his career

George does have bird rights... thats how he blocked the trade Benji..

No, he doesn't have Bird rights. You cannot change teams as a free agent for three years in order to have Bird rights.

As I noted, he qualifies for the Early Bird Exception, which allows him to stop himself from being traded. However, I don't see why either the Nets or Mavericks would pick up the exception and use it on him. There is no reason for him to block the trade, he won't lose his bird rights if he's traded. His only assumption is that the Nets won't resign him, which they wouldn't...he must think the Mavericks plan on giving him $4 million a year to stick around. Even after stopping them from getting Kidd.

maybe he just doesnt wanna leave the mavs

He's a cock "blocker" or "player" hater in the highest level. Good man.

No, he doesn't have Bird rights. You cannot change teams as a free agent for three years in order to have Bird rights.

As I noted, he qualifies for the Early Bird Exception, which allows him to stop himself from being traded. However, I don't see why either the Nets or Mavericks would pick up the exception and use it on him. There is no reason for him to block the trade, he won't lose his bird rights if he's traded. His only assumption is that the Nets won't resign him, which they wouldn't...he must think the Mavericks plan on giving him $4 million a year to stick around. Even after stopping them from getting Kidd.

"...but league rules dictate that it's a right George also possesses because he's on a one-year contract (worth $2.4 million) and because Dallas would have Early Bird rights to re-sign him this summer. If such a player is traded, Bird rights are not traded with him..."

"..."We're not trying to block anything," Bartlestein told ESPN.com. "The issue is that if he agrees to this deal, he has to give up his Bird rights. To lose that tool in today's world of free agency is a difficult thing to do..."

Source: ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818

Also, if he doesn't have bird rights, he can't even do a sign and trade deal to a team over the salary cap and wants to give me more than the minimum but can't or won't give him the mid level exception... Thats why he wants to keep them. It's smart for him IMO.

Wrong agian Benji..

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Sorry, I trust the text of the CBA more than ESPN ("Corey Maggette has signed an offer sheet with Denver").

Bird rights are completely different from the Early Bird Exception. And Bird rights CAN be traded.

OMG Benji, those Early bird free agents, still have a form of bird rights, which is what I was referring to. Plus I trust ESPN (and CBA text) much more than (I trust) you. George has early bird rights...

"...George was supposed to be among the players headed to New Jersey, but he blocked it by not wanting to give up his "early Bird rights..."

Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/b ... index.html

I know bird rights can be traded, but early bird rights can't be, which is what he has. You're wrong dude, sorry.

Plus you know what an offer sheet is right? It just meant that the Clippers matched Denvers offer... Or even if this was wrong, it just meant that the sources ESPN received were wrong, I doubt they don't understand the CBA properly, considering they are professionals. I'd bet they understand the CBA rules much better than you do...

The Clippers didn't match Denver's offer. Maggette never even signed one with them, he signed with Utah.

I know bird rights can be traded, but early bird rights can't be, which is what he has. You're wrong dude, sorry.

As I noted, he qualifies for the Early Bird Exception

Bird rights are VERY different from Early Bird rights, the players cannot be signed to the same type of contracts, the qualifications are very different.

Yes, if George is traded having signed a one year contract and qualifying for Early Bird rights, he loses them, but I did not ever contend that. I contended that if George properly qualified for Bird rights, he would not lose them through a trade. Also that, George does not have Bird rights, and that he is not likely to be resigned by anyone considering he's worthless, so he's making a stupid move in holding up the trade.

Considering my source for the CBA rules is the CBA text itself. And ESPN are a bunch of sports journalists. Yeah. I trust the CBA Text more. Devean George doesn't have Bird rights.

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Early bird rights are form of Bird rights, I know that. I trust his agent's understanding of the CBA text more than yours as his quote says "..."We're not trying to block anything," Bartlestein told ESPN.com. "The issue is that if he agrees to this deal, he has to give up his Bird rights. To lose that tool in today's world of free agency is a difficult thing to do..." which is from the ESPn article, and I'm sure when he says Bird rights he just was shortening Early bird rights..

I've already said that George has early bird rights, geez us Benji..

it was Chad Ford who reported that offer sheet, and he is an ANALYST, not just a journalist. He just reports what sources tell him. He got one wrong, christ.

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Then he's stupid for doing that. They are completely different things.

If "Early Bird" rights are "Bird" rights, I guess that makes "Non-Bird" rights, the Mid-Level Exception, rookie and minimum contracts all forms of "Bird" rights too.

And there's no benefit for him to keep his Early Bird rights. Unless they're convinced some NBA GM is stupid enough to not only sign him to a $25 million contract, but to trade things for the right to do that.

Last edited by benji on Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:21 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Early bird rights are a form of bird rights, relax. And finally the last race horse crosses the line..

No.. Because its not called Mid-Level rights or rookie rights.. Those are different, but related I guess.

And basically if George didn't get to keep his early BIRD rights, then New Jersey couldn't sign him (or sign and trade him to another team over the cap) for anything other than the minimum or commit a portion of their MLE (which they might not want to do). George can get sign and traded (from Dallas) in the offseason with his salary around like 2-3 million and the team that gets him (or if Dallas keeps him) will still have the full MLE to work with..

Don't trade plz.

Hopefully this little spanner will help the idiotic Mavs management reconsider this has of a deal they're making. Like the Tejada trade.

LOL

i think that antoine wright deal for a draft pick is stupid for the nets. Why are they trading a 24 year old player who has future potential for a draft pick who they don't even know yet. And with the mavs record, thats gonna be a pretty late pick anyway.