Kidd-Nash Overrated?

[j.23]

lock this thread, please. i'm about to rip my eyes out because of the sheer stupidity.

[lj umali]

Kidd is way better than Nash. If Kidd has the talent of the phoenix players he would certainly bring them to the finals. nash migth be a two time mvp but it doesn't mean that he is better. Kidd is the opposite of Kobe, during clutch Kobe will try to hit the big basket but Kidd will try to set his teammate or even take the shot for Nash he will just set his teammate because i think Nash is afraid of hitting big shots. How many big shots did nash shoot, the only i remember is the one he takes against Dallas, Nets and he sonics. But for me Kidd is the best pg in the NBA

[Jackal]

Kidd is the opposite of Kobe, during clutch Kobe will try to hit the big basket but Kidd will try to set his teammate or even take the shot

1) Why bring Kobe up?
2) Jason tries to set his team mates up because he isn't exactly the best shooter in the league.
3) Kobe is the most clutch player in the league (to me), I'd rather have him shoot in the clutch than Kidd, so would any coach you ask.
4) Kidd has Vince and RJ as team mates to take the shot. Kobe has Lamar and...so the weather is pretty nice huh?

I don't dispute Kidd>Nash, but what was your point of bringing up Bryant?

[Sauru]

i cant believe how many posts are already in this thread that make no sense what so ever. it amazes me how some people think. since when did jefferson become a top player in the league? since when was vince able to carry any team anywhere? i think NNpF pretty much summed it all up

[scrub]

IS this one of those new posters looking for attention? Both players will go down as HOF players.

[grusom]

i cant believe how many posts are already in this thread that make no sense what so ever. it amazes me how some people think. since when did jefferson become a top player in the league? since when was vince able to carry any team anywhere? i think NNpF pretty much summed it all up

Wow, 3 capital letters in one post, that's a personnal record, isn't it Sauru?

[Dro]

Kidd is way better than Nash. If Kidd has the talent of the phoenix players he would certainly bring them to the finals.

Stupid comment. Kidd has two pretty good players in Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter, and yes, Kidd played great, but he still couldn't lead his team very far in the EASTERN CONFERENCE (aka NBA minor leagues). Put Kidd in place of Nash on the Suns and they certainly wouldn't go any further than they did.

Also, you can't be a guard on the Suns and not be able to shoot from the perimeter.

[shadowgrin]

Kidd- is a fine tuned player overall but never was able to dominate either clutch

See New Jersey vs. Detroit in a playoff game where he hit that clutch shot over Chauncey. I forgot what year it was, probably 2002 or 2003. I think Nets also swept the Pistons then.

Anyone feel like posting a Kobe vs. Jordan thread?

[Sauru]

i cant believe how many posts are already in this thread that make no sense what so ever. it amazes me how some people think. since when did jefferson become a top player in the league? since when was vince able to carry any team anywhere? i think NNpF pretty much summed it all up

Wow, 3 capital letters in one post, that's a personnal record, isn't it Sauru?

hey it took alot of effort on my part just to get those 3 caps.

[grusom]

i cant believe how many posts are already in this thread that make no sense what so ever. it amazes me how some people think. since when did jefferson become a top player in the league? since when was vince able to carry any team anywhere? i think NNpF pretty much summed it all up

Wow, 3 capital letters in one post, that's a personnal record, isn't it Sauru?

hey it took alot of effort on my part just to get those 3 caps.

yeah, I know - just wanted to gratulate you on your achievement.

[scrub]

Seriously, I think these two point guards are overrated.

Kidd- is a fine tuned player overall but never was able to dominate either clutch. Most importantly never done anything other than tripling doubling dingding dang dong

Nash- c'mon ppl. i'm canadian and totally support him but MVP 2 yrs in a row and almost 3 yrs in a row? that's nutts. he is good but never been mvp good. say he replaces kobe in lakers, the lakerz gonna suck even more. mvp award should be given to the best player whoz most important to the winning team but at the same time should be a super duper dominant player at all lvls

In case you haven't watched the NBA before and are coming on here for attention I'm just gonna tell you that they are the best two point guards in the game. Triple doubling dingding dan dong isn't as easiest as it sounds, especially getting 10 rebounds for a 6'4 guard. Eddy Curry doesn't even average as many rebounds as Kidd and the guy is 6'11. You say he's not clutch. I don't know if this guy is clutch on not cause every time the game is on the line they give it to Vince Carter.

And for Nash why shouldn't he get the MVP two years in a row. He comes in and makes the team get the best record in the league in his first season. In his second his main team-mate who is on the end of most of his passes is out for the year so he makes Diaw the Most Improved Player and gets them to the Conference Finals after most people doubted them and saying they would barely make the playoffs. Why are saying he would do terrible in LA? Replacing Kobe when Kobe plays the 2? WHy do bring up the most ridicuous argument? You say "mvp award should be given to the best player whoz most important to the winning team", well isn't that Nash. If you watched how Phoenix fell apart when he got injured for some games this season then you'd know how valuable he really is.

[jonthefon]

Well, LA would be nothing with Kobe and I'm pretty sure I'll fall asleep watching the Cavs without LeBron

Some teams rely on one person playing or not. Nash deserved his two MVPs, or at least the first one, but it could've gone either way in 05-06.

[Laxation]

i cant believe how many posts are already in this thread that make no sense what so ever. it amazes me how some people think. since when did jefferson become a top player in the league? since when was vince able to carry any team anywhere? i think NNpF pretty much summed it all up

Well they can both dunk... this ties in nicely with what we were saying about Duncan in some other thread...
You get some face time on sportscentre, all of a sudden your a fucking superstar.

[NovU]

u guys are just pro-nash-kidd
that's y ur ears all clogged
how can he be the best player in the world when he's not the most skilled, athletic, conditioned player in the world?
there was no way he deserved it
yes, the team did a lot better after acquiring nash but don't forget he had joe johnson, amare, marion as teammate on that year
saying they couldn't make playoffs without nash is just non sense
y dont u go try putting joe johnson amare marion on same line up in nba live 07? u'll get pretty good result outta simulation
and yes when nash got hurt the team did bad
that's cuz team wasn't used to playing without nash
if more time given, they'd been fine. media just made a big deal outta it
besides amare is one of the best c/pf in the world, as marion is one of the best sf and u know it

as for kidd, i admit that his triple double record is purty amazing
but what came with it isn't so spectacular
as u know since k mart era in jersey, nets never been considered as a serious contender
even when nets made to the finals, it was a surprise to everybody. playing as an underdog
my point is ppl say that he can turn miserable team into a contender all alone
but u know it ain't true
trading kidd is a step forward for nets whatsoever

some of u compared nash & kidd
both got upside & downsds but i think nash prolly has more ways to cause impact in the game, so i'd say nash the better pg
kidd? pfft... overrated
just watch him play on other team when he's traded

[cyanide]

Hehe, Nets weren't a serious contender until Jason Kidd took them to the Finals, not once, but twice. K-Mart era? Kenyon Martin was second fiddle to Jason Kidd in New Jersey. Anybody with basketball knowledge will tell you that. By that reasoning alone, are you saying LeBron is overrated cuz he took the Cavs to the Finals?

[---]

saying they couldn't make playoffs without nash is just non sense

besides amare is one of the best c/pf in the world, as marion is one of the best sf and u know it

Then why were the Suns one of the worst teams in the league when they had Marbury running the point? Shawn and Amare were still there, yet no playoffs.

[NNpF]

u guys are just pro-nash-kidd
that's y ur ears all clogged
how can he be the best player in the world when he's not the most skilled, athletic, conditioned player in the world?
there was no way he deserved it
yes, the team did a lot better after acquiring nash but don't forget he had joe johnson, amare, marion as teammate on that year
saying they couldn't make playoffs without nash is just non sense
y dont u go try putting joe johnson amare marion on same line up in nba live 07? u'll get pretty good result outta simulation
and yes when nash got hurt the team did bad
that's cuz team wasn't used to playing without nash
if more time given, they'd been fine. media just made a big deal outta it
besides amare is one of the best c/pf in the world, as marion is one of the best sf and u know it

as for kidd, i admit that his triple double record is purty amazing
but what came with it isn't so spectacular
as u know since k mart era in jersey, nets never been considered as a serious contender
even when nets made to the finals, it was a surprise to everybody. playing as an underdog
my point is ppl say that he can turn miserable team into a contender all alone
but u know it ain't true
trading kidd is a step forward for nets whatsoever

some of u compared nash & kidd
both got upside & downsds but i think nash prolly has more ways to cause impact in the game, so i'd say nash the better pg
kidd? pfft... overrated
just watch him play on other team when he's traded

Don't ever compare the real game to NBA Live Sims it just makes you look retarded.

And what does Athleticism have to do with being an MVP? And I bet your definition of skills is scoring lots of points right?

Stoudemire and Marion were on the Suns before Nash and where did that team get to? Kidd did the exact same thing with the Nets when he first came there...

Honestly I don't know why I bother replying to your posts. I've never had a problem with someone having their own opinion but you really don't know what you're talking about.

I bet you couldn't score 100 points in a NBA Live '07 Game with Nash and Kidd so you felt the need to let it all out because their teams could be better off without them in Live...

[Glen]

Seriously, I think these two point guards are overrated.

Kidd- Most importantly never done anything other than tripling doubling dingding dang dong

your making it sound like getting a triple double is as easy as getting candy from a baby...

All-time leaders (regular season): Oscar Robertson all-time leader with 181, followed by Magic Johnson with 138, JASON KIDD with 87 (as of April 13th, 2007), Wilt Chamberlain with 78, and Larry Bird is fifth with 59.

all the other guys mentioned there are without a doubt HOF caliber players so with that said, kidd is really somewhat underrated if someone (like you) would even debate his skills as overrated... kidd didn't get into the top 5 just by accident nor by media votes... he got there by giving his all every single night, contributing in all aspects that he can... a players mentality that all coaches dream of for his players to have...

let's put it this way, since you think kidd's "tripling doubling dingding dang dong" is a factor overrating kidd... try to play bball in your local neighbor league or school intramurals and try to get at least one triple double... even if your lucky enough to achieve one, remember that kidd did it in the NBA... 87 times over...

[flashy]

Seriously, I think these two point guards are overrated.

Kidd- Most importantly never done anything other than tripling doubling dingding dang dong

your making it sound like getting a triple double is as easy as getting candy from a baby...

All-time leaders (regular season): Oscar Robertson all-time leader with 181, followed by Magic Johnson with 138, JASON KIDD with 87 (as of April 13th, 2007), Wilt Chamberlain with 78, and Larry Bird is fifth with 59.

all the other guys mentioned there are without a doubt HOF caliber players so with that said, kidd is really somewhat underrated if someone (like you) would even debate his skills as overrated... kidd didn't get into the top 5 just by accident nor by media votes... he got there by giving his all every single night, contributing in all aspects that he can... a players mentality that all coaches dream of for his players to have...

let's put it this way, since you think kidd's "tripling doubling dingding dang dong" is a factor overrating kidd... try to play bball in your local neighbor league or school intramurals and try to get at least one triple double... even if your lucky enough to achieve one, remember that kidd did it in the NBA... 87 times over...

Couldnt of been said better.

[Sauru]

u guys are just pro-nash-kidd
that's y ur ears all clogged
how can he be the best player in the world when he's not the most skilled, athletic, conditioned player in the world?
there was no way he deserved it
yes, the team did a lot better after acquiring nash but don't forget he had joe johnson, amare, marion as teammate on that year
saying they couldn't make playoffs without nash is just non sense
y dont u go try putting joe johnson amare marion on same line up in nba live 07? u'll get pretty good result outta simulation
and yes when nash got hurt the team did bad
that's cuz team wasn't used to playing without nash
if more time given, they'd been fine. media just made a big deal outta it
besides amare is one of the best c/pf in the world, as marion is one of the best sf and u know it

as for kidd, i admit that his triple double record is purty amazing
but what came with it isn't so spectacular
as u know since k mart era in jersey, nets never been considered as a serious contender
even when nets made to the finals, it was a surprise to everybody. playing as an underdog
my point is ppl say that he can turn miserable team into a contender all alone
but u know it ain't true
trading kidd is a step forward for nets whatsoever

some of u compared nash & kidd
both got upside & downsds but i think nash prolly has more ways to cause impact in the game, so i'd say nash the better pg
kidd? pfft... overrated
just watch him play on other team when he's traded

you are an idiot. do the world a favor and never reproduce.

[Laxation]

NLSC, meet the dsmballman, the melo15boy of...
2007

I called it first

[maes]

saying they couldn't make playoffs without nash is just non sense
y dont u go try putting joe johnson amare marion on same line up in nba live 07? u'll get pretty good result outta simulation

I've also seen the Clippers beat the Suns, SAS, and Dallas to win the NBA championship. Realistic, isn't it?

[SVSM/CC-23]

1st:u guys are just pro-nash-kidd
2nd:how can he be the best player in the world when he's not the most skilled, athletic, conditioned player in the world?
3rd:yes, the team did a lot better after acquiring nash but don't forget he had joe johnson, amare, marion as teammate on that year

4th:as u know since k mart era in jersey, nets never been considered as a serious contender
5th:my point is ppl say that he can turn miserable team into a contender all alone
6th:trading kidd is a step forward for nets whatsoever
just watch him play on other team when he's traded

1st: you are just contra-nash-kidd
2nd: its about being valuable to your team
3rd: marbury had them as teammates, too
4th: "k-mart-era"? k-mart left the nets and they still made it to the playoffs...he never led the nuggets to the finals, did he?
5th: he did so in new jersey. those what you call great players richard jefferson and k-mart were rookies... i dont think that it was their credit to reach the finals in their rookieyear
6th: maybe...when he is too old and the nets need young players which may dominate the league in a few years.

[TSquared]

i bet this thread is gonna be locked since the argument is really going nowhere..

[cyanide]

NLSC, meet the dsmballman, the melo15boy of...
2007

I called it first

Dude, dsmballman was a god. Nobody will ever compare to him.

i bet this thread is gonna be locked since the argument is really going nowhere..

I bet you'll get banned since your posts contribute nothing.