New Zero-Tolerance policy

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2620756

What do you guys think about this?

Personally, I am a big fan of the idea. All of the whining that goes on makes me sick. Too bad they wont go for a true zero-tolerance policy though. There are several players who wouldn't be able to finish a game all season.....

Yea I'm all for it, I'm tired of seeing LeBron close to crying for getting called for a travel or foul, same with Iverson, I know there's tons of player who do it, and probably including me too.

yeah then maybe the refs won't have so much pressure to call a foul whenever Kobe shouts "Hey!" when he drives and glares at them the whole way up the court.

And Alonzo Mourning is now unemployable.

Another rule to piss off Detroit Yay for Stern

Let NBA players be themselves. Thiers already enough techs in the game.

This will take away from players being emotional,

there's a difference between emotion and believing you've never committed a foul and complaining about it.

When Im in a game, Im always talking to the refs. If im an NBA player, I definately don't like this rule. Sometimes you cant help but turn round after a questionable call and say "Where was the foul ref?" then complain about it during the freethrows or wateva. I doubt it will really be inforced to "zero tolerence", its almost like a natural reflex for alot of players to turn round and say "What!?" when they get called for something they dont think they should of.

thank God for this....this policy is well overdue....I hate to see whining little bitches complaining because they had a foul called against them....some go your way, some don't, it's part of the game....

I think this rule is a good thing. As long as the NBA doesn't over-enforce it, players have the right to be upset at a questionable call(in game), but I can't stand the incessant bitching post-game, so I think this is a good call from the NBA

When Im in a game, Im always talking to the refs. If im an NBA player, I definately don't like this rule. Sometimes you cant help but turn round after a questionable call and say "Where was the foul ref?" then complain about it during the freethrows or wateva. I doubt it will really be inforced to "zero tolerence", its almost like a natural reflex for alot of players to turn round and say "What!?" when they get called for something they dont think they should of.

It's only a natural reflex because they've let them get away with it for so long.

I think it's okay for a player after a whistle/foul to ask the ref what he saw or what the foul was for. But you have to admit, players in recent years have flat gone crazy on refs for questionable calls. Haslem last year throws his mouthguard? In the fucking playoffs? If players are already this stupid, I doubt starting to enforce a rule that should have been in place already probably won't make a huge difference.

But when I saw new zero-tolerance policy, I thought (and hoped) it was regarding the insane amounts of criminal activity that NBA players get away with. They're not quite at the level of the NFL yet, but given the size of the league, its just as bad. They need to start suspending players without pay for their criminal activity. The league already looks ghetto enough as is.

Another rule to piss off Detroit Yay for Stern

I think its hilarious that Detroit players and fans are taking this personally. Do you think your players are the only whiney bitches in the league? The Pacers definitley have a bunch of guys who complain all the time, as does every single other team. The Pacers actually probably complain more then Detroit.

The Pacers actually probably complain more then Detroit.

I'm sorry, but I can't let your homerism get too carried away. Sheed probably bitches more than the entire Pacers frontcourt alone

As for the issue, I'm sorta for it. I hate it when players whine after something, but at the same time, if they felt they got screwed over on a call that they honestly believed was misjudged, then I don't know how I would feel letting a blind ref get away with that.

Sheed probably bitches more than the entire Pacers frontcourt alone

lol, that is true. I personally hate Sheed. Anyway, I think the rule has ups and downs to it. You see player like Lebron and Kobe get away with travels as they drive, refs are simply intimidated by them. I hope that this rule will fix that, but it will take some of the emotion away from players, we might not see as exciting plays.

The Pacers actually probably complain more then Detroit.

I'm sorry, but I can't let your homerism get too carried away. Sheed probably bitches more than the entire Pacers frontcourt alone

As for the issue, I'm sorta for it. I hate it when players whine after something, but at the same time, if they felt they got screwed over on a call that they honestly believed was misjudged, then I don't know how I would feel letting a blind ref get away with that.

Sheed complaining = Stephen Jackson complaining.

dont count out the heat either, shaq's been known for complaining whenever he feels like it too.

Hypocritical.

The NBA loves the entertainment value of players getting emotional (they even feature this on some of their commercials) but when caught up in the heat of the moment from a retarded call by a blind official, they have to act like they have no interest in the game?

Rules like this are obviously made by people who have never touched a basketball in their lives or felt a drop of adrenaline in their bodies.

Sheed probably bitches more than the entire Pacers frontcourt alone

i know sheed bitches a lot, but to be fair, he is tagged with very questionable fouls a lot of the time. I think his reputation makes him a target for the refs. Still, a technical can get the man rowdy and set his game off

Well, it's one good thing... no more see Sasha Vujacic whine!

But this isn't a good rule IMO as other have said... wat if you say something back to the ref without meaning to?

Talking back is sort of natural to everyone.

It's a good idea in theory but it sounds like it's going to be enforced to a ridiculous level where if a player doesn't smile then politely and apologetically hand over the ball they're going to get whistled for a technical...which means there's a good chance top players are going to be tossed much more often and no one wants to see that. I'm sure most people would put up with some whining from star players than rather watch a bunch of polite scrubs duel it out.

Having said that I assume most players will be able to make the adjustment and be careful about their reactions and body language so the change in policy should work out as intended though I can still see erroneous technicals being called. After all, a reaction of self-disgust/"I can't believe I messed up" is pretty natural on foul and travel calls yet those could easily be misinterpreted as the unwelcome displays this ruling is trying to stamp out. Especially if the player has a reputation of complaining and racking up technical fouls.

Usually I have no problems when they make new rules but this ones horrible. You get a T for feeling that the ref made the wrong call? You can't say they get it right everytime, which means you can't blame the players for "bitching" about a call. Wonder if it applys to coaches as well, if so I'd love to see Cuban coach the Mavs for a game just to see how quick he gets thrown out lmao

"I don't understand it, man, especially for a team like ours," Chauncey Billups said.

"They know we are a very emotional team. I feel like this is a Pistons rule. It just gives them easier access to have us open up and get emotional and then, boom, they bust our bubble. It's like they are trying to take the emotion out of the game."

"It's just another 'Sheed Wallace rule," Wallace said, shaking his head. "It just means I must be doing something right. Any time they change the rules of the game for one specific player, you must be doing something right."

Personally I dont like this rule. In a league where the refs seem unable to make the correct call on a consistent basis I see no reason why there should be a 'zero tolerance policy'.

I'll take the example of Kobe. If the refs called the game how it is that guy would have averaged over 40. In the Lakers game I saw I have seen numerous occasions where he [drives, gets fouled, goes to the line] then on the next possession he [drives, gets fouled, no call]. Sometimes that goes on for a few possessions as if the refs dont wanna make the same call twice in a short period but why not. If its a foul its a foul, you cant tec the guy instantly (zero tolerance) if he gets upset because your not doing your job. He has all right to be upset, you would be too especially if calls going against you piled on that.

Player whining to me isnt even that big a deal. My only concern is refs being consistent with their calls. If Rasheed gets a tec for scratching that spot in his head then Steve Nash should get a tec for doing the same thing no matter how nice a guy he is.

I dont know whats this rule supposed to do, turn NBA players into mindless, emotionless drones? Ah well, lets hope the refs dont get some sort of God syndrome. Therefs themselves are the ones who need some tightening up- should be held more accountable for errors in judgment.

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"It's just another 'Sheed Wallace rule," Wallace said, shaking his head. "It just means I must be doing something right. Any time they change the rules of the game for one specific player, you must be doing something right."

Yes, you're the only player in the entire NBA who complains about calls. I think 'Sheed is back on the weed.

I think they might enforce heavily to start season but ease it off a little as it goes on....as long as it stops idiots like Zo having a cry everytime he gets done for mugging an opponent, I'll be happy