New Jersey Nets Thread

by **Mayerhendrix** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:50 am

Twice now, the team's fallen to the Miami Heat, and the lack of a decent center, Jason Kidd playing too many minutes, and a weak bench have plagued the team.

Personally, I see this team as being locked into the 3rd seed for a long time while the rest of the Atlantic Division is messed up. They did well in the draft by picking up a successor to Jason Kidd, now they need to get a good big man. But time's running out with Carter and Kidd not getting any younger.

by **volsey** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:05 am

Yea I'm happy they got Marcus Williams to back-up J Kidd, I really hope they go far next year and do good. They're one of my favourite teams to watch, and I hope something big happens this offseason to take them to the next level.

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:46 am

They need a sixth man. I am hoping Antoine Wright could develop into that for the Nets, so hopefully he'll be getting a lot more playing time next year.

by **Fitzy** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:17 pm

antoine has alot of potential but i think jefferson, carter and even murray were stopping him from coming through a bit
i think if they had a decent PF they could have Collins as a 6th man and even Nachbar should be able to fill that role

by **NNpF** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:25 pm

I don't have much time to explain because I have to leave soon, but I think they should trade Vince Carter for a solid center and move Krstic to PF.

Marcus Williams and Antoine Wright must get lots of playing time this season, even if that means seeing a lot of Kidd / Carter / Jefferson on the bench.

Despite the previous season's record, I don't like the way this team looks right now. I'll go into more detail later on.

by **[L3]1101** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:51 pm

Jason Kidd is 33 years old. He doesn't have many years left in him. If the Nets wants to win a title, it must me now. I also agree that trading Carter is a good idea, not because he's not good, but because the Nets are desperate for a solid center. Carter still has a great trade value, and his contract is expiring. Wright, and Murray may be able to make up for Carter's absense, but Nets can also get a 2 for 1 deal out of Carter. Nets can get a solid center, doesn't have to be an all-star, and a decent SG.

But one thing the Nets cannot do is make a wrong move. Some young teams may be able to afford a wrong move, but the Nets doesn't have the time to rebuild, or even experiment with the roster.

by **Fitzy** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:26 pm

[L3]1101 wrote:Nets can get a solid center, doesn't have to be an all-star.

man if they're going to trade carter then i think they might have to get an all star centre back

by **[L3]1101** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:44 pm

like i said, it's a 2 for 1 deal, or 3 for 1. Then Nets have a very thin bench. They need more good role players that can help Kidd or Jefferson.

by **Fitzy** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:47 pm

i heard that the nets are happy with their starting lineup but want to change the bench, so traded carter for 2 or 3 would be very unlikely,
but anyway, they wouldnt be in this mess if they got rid of their decent bench players a few seasons ago, buford, mercer, eric williams and those guys that werent doing all that badly

by **Indy** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:53 pm

-|NN|-[pF]- wrote:I don't have much time to explain because I have to leave soon, but I think they should trade Vince Carter for a solid center and move Krstic to PF.

Haha, move Carter for a solid center. What solid Center are you going to get that is POSSIBLY worth Vince Carter? Jamaal Magloire? Well we offered Fred Jones, reportedly, but I guess Vince Carter would get it done too. :lol:

I would LOVE to see your example of a "solid center" that is available and worth Vince Carter.

I think all the Nets really need is some bench help, I agree with whoever said that. I also agree with NNPF, Krstic should move to PF. I think he'd flourish there, he reminds me a lot of Pau Gasol. He really killed us in the playoffs, without Nenad, we sweep NJ, or beat them in 5 at least.

by **beau_boy04** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:04 pm

Fitzy wrote:
[L3]1101 wrote:Nets can get a solid center, doesn't have to be an all-star.

man if they're going to trade carter then i think they might have to get an all star centre back

what center is good enough to give away Vince Carter????

by **NNpF** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:04 pm

Indy wrote:
-|NN|-[pF]- wrote:I don't have much time to explain because I have to leave soon, but I think they should trade Vince Carter for a solid center and move Krstic to PF.

Haha, move Carter for a solid center. What solid Center are you going to get that is POSSIBLY worth Vince Carter? Jamaal Magloire? Well we offered Fred Jones, reportedly, but I guess Vince Carter would get it done too.

I would LOVE to see your example of a "solid center" that is available and worth Vince Carter.

I think all the Nets really need is some bench help, I agree with whoever said that. I also agree with NNPF, Krstic should move to PF. I think he'd flourish there, he reminds me a lot of Pau Gasol. He really killed us in the playoffs, without Nenad, we sweep NJ, or beat them in 5 at least.

I just got home and it's kind of late so I'm not going to type too much again.

The chances of the Nets even considering trading Vince are slim to none, but it's just something I would like to see.

This is unlikely, seeing as the Nuggets already have Anthony, but I would like to see something done to acquire Marcus Camby.

by **nets4life** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:45 pm

Im a huge Carter fan, but i like the idea of winning a championship title more. Whatever needs to be done to get this team to the championship im willing to accept. But there arent alot of great centres in the league that are worthy for Carter. I like the idea of bringing in 2 or 3 role players for carter and developing jefferson and wright more but i just dont see it happening

by **Fitzy** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:29 pm

you guys are making good points, even if they did trade carter they wouldnt get a good enough centre for him, in that sense
but their best bet would be to trade collins and a few benchis for a decent centre or pf

by **Mayerhendrix** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:58 pm

[L3]1101 wrote:Jason Kidd is 33 years old. He doesn't have many years left in him. If the Nets wants to win a title, it must me now. I also agree that trading Carter is a good idea, not because he's not good, but because the Nets are desperate for a solid center. Carter still has a great trade value, and his contract is expiring. Wright, and Murray may be able to make up for Carter's absense, but Nets can also get a 2 for 1 deal out of Carter. Nets can get a solid center, doesn't have to be an all-star, and a decent SG.

But one thing the Nets cannot do is make a wrong move. Some young teams may be able to afford a wrong move, but the Nets doesn't have the time to rebuild, or even experiment with the roster.

It'd be hard to get a decent deal for Carter, but he'd be the best prospect to trade simply because he forces too many shots. In all seriousness, the record was no indication of the team's talent, they faltered and came up short too many times to be considered a real threat. Think any team would be willing to trade a young player such as Okafor? If he stays healthy and puts up around 20-10 the Nets could use him...and Charlotte is desperate for a scoring threat (which Carter can be sometimes).

But Carter's not being traded, the GM's obsessed with keeping his Big 3 intact.

by **Its_asdf** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:01 am

I doubt that the Bobcats will trade Okafor. He's their franchise player and it is getting a lot more difficult nowadays to acquire big men with his type of defensive skills.

by **CERVANTES** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:57 am

Well, if they want to trade Carter, I think a good idea would be a Carter for K-Mart + Dermarr Johnson or Kenyon + Hodge + Draft Round... I mean, when the Nets had Kidd, RJ and Kenyon they didn't have any Krstic, Boone, Marcus Williams or Antoine Wright with them. So I think now it's time to make that move if it's possible. Kenyon has the injure issue... but sometimes you have to take risks. With VC I'm sorry but they won't win any title if he needs 30 shots per game.

by **BlueHornet** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:47 am

Dont have a clue what you all are smoking. Vince is the best player on their team, y would you give that up for a center. Scoring wouldnt be nearly as high. gettin kmart back without vince would be the same as a few years ago when they were with k mart. If i was to trade anyone i would trade rj, simply because they need more talent around vince so he doesnt have the need to put as much as the whole team. Rj has talent but he doesnt show it. Its like the kobe situation. Kobe has a shooter at pf now and can be more effective because now teams have to guard more than kobe, and they got farmar.

by **CERVANTES** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:56 am

Nah, they don't need to envolve Vince, Vince needs to envolve Kidd along with RJ, Krstic, Collins, Marcus, Josh, Hassan, etc. If Kenyon comes back, Nets will be a harder team, like past years, and that's the only way (may not be Kenyon, but another similar player) we can reach the finals again.

by **NNpF** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:16 am

BlueHornet wrote: gettin kmart back without vince would be the same as a few years ago when they were with k mart.

You mean making the finals two years in a row? Being one of the best defensive teams in the league? That would be horrible...

If i was to trade anyone i would trade rj, simply because they need more talent around vince so he doesnt have the need to put as much as the whole team

The thing is, Vince doesn't need to take all those shots, that's the problem. I'm not saying it's all his fault, the team is just relying on him way too much, I'm more for moving the ball around then calling an iso for Carter every posession.

I would like to see a trade to get Kenyon Martin back as well, I'm just a bit hesitant because he may spend more time in a suit than a jersey.

I'm not going to be bothered to check every players contracts but if the Nuggets would throw in Hodge and possibly anyone else, I would be thrilled if Kenyon played the way he did before he left.

But even if that doesn't happen, and I highly doubt it will, I want to see Marcus Williams, Antoine Wright, Josh Boone and Zoran Planinic get more than garbage time.

Vince is the best player on their team

No, Jason Kidd is.

The reason Vince won't be traded is not only have the Nets come to rely on him every single posession from start to finish, but the fact that New Jersey has never been known for filling seats in arenas, and Vince Carter's acrobatics definitely draw a crowd.

by **maes** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:33 am

I would argue the Nets need a decent PF, not a Center. Do the Nets really want to turn into a slow, half-court team that walks the ball up and rarely fast breaks and runs their offense through their Center, like Patrick Ewing's Knicks or Shaq's Lakers?

With RJ, VC, and most of all Jason Kidd...the Nets should be more fluid than that.

by **Mayerhendrix** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:39 am

The Nets need a roleplayer. Simple as that. Someone to rebound and play tougher defense on the other team's big men.

by **CERVANTES** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:02 am

NJNetsFan wrote:The Nets need a roleplayer. Simple as that. Someone to rebound and play tougher defense on the other team's big men.

OAKLEY GUYS ARE DEAD !!

YouTube · by **ThaLiveKing** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:50 am

Trade Vince Carter . LMAO. Yeah, make that same mistake Toronto did. They are not gonna trade him. New Jersey has a good team right now to win the Atlantic, I see them winning it again this year, unless Toronto can pull off a miracle

by **Mayerhendrix** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:52 am

New Jersey's expected to win the Atlantic. It's at a point where just winning the division isn't enough to astound people. They need to make a stronger charge towards playoff advancement.

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