The Stephon Marbury "Humanitarian" thread

[Matthew]

But if you admit that only phsyical evidence can be trusted, why would you present reports as factual, even if it is your opinion?

[Fenix]

My point was that nothing can be trusted. You can fabricate psychical evidences to fabricate history as easily as you can make false 'reports'. You can just trust to one or another (or both).

[Matthew]

But you contradict yourself when you believe that marbury didnt donate, but kg and barkley did, when all you have is reports (which you yourself arent concrete evidence) to base it on.

[Fenix]

Yes, but I also say that no evidence is concrete. This is like me saying that there was no Wilt's 100 game and someone else saying, yes there is. But - was it? Have you seen it? Do you have on tape?

[Matthew]

A boxscore and audio tape is more concrete than a simple report. But I see what you're saying that anything can be challenged. I tend to view "hear say" like reports as worthless though.

[shadowgrin]

you mean to tell me Nike can use sweatshops to make 10 dollar sneakers and sell them for 100 bucks, but because Marbury will sell his for 15 bucks his will fall apart in 2 days?

Those sweatshops don't have a say on the important design of the shoe itself such as comfort and foot support which helps prevent injuries to the wearer. If Marbury picks a company that is inexperienced in making basketball shoes, it might result in a shitty product and problems to those who wear it.

[-Young Buck-]

you mean to tell me Nike can use sweatshops to make 10 dollar sneakers and sell them for 100 bucks, but because Marbury will sell his for 15 bucks his will fall apart in 2 days?

Those sweatshops don't have a say on the important design of the shoe itself such as comfort and foot support which helps prevent injuries to the wearer. If Marbury picks a company that is inexperienced in making basketball shoes, it might result in a shitty product and problems to those who wear it.

he was talking about the shoe falling apart, meaning it was made with cheap labor and shotty fabrics. design has almost nothing to do with that. my point is nike's shoes doesnt cost 100 bucks to make, it probably costs around 20 bucks. A shoe that costs 15 bucks doesnt always mean they will fall apart, they just might not be made with the best material, which i think marbs would use better material then something like spalding would.

[BIG GREEN]

What makes you the know it all? So what if nike's are made for 15 cents?..then perhaps these will be made for 1 cent. :roll:

[cklitsie]

he was talking about the shoe falling apart, meaning it was made with cheap labor and shotty fabrics. design has almost nothing to do with that.

Post that on niketalk.com and watch yourself get "stonefaced" over there. Nowadays design isn't just "hmm, where should we put that swoosh".

[shadowgrin]

meaning it was made with cheap labor and shotty fabrics. design has almost nothing to do with that. my point is nike's shoes doesnt cost 100 bucks to make, it probably costs around 20 bucks. A shoe that costs 15 bucks doesnt always mean they will fall apart, they just might not be made with the best material, which i think marbs would use better material

Believe it or not the material Nike (or some brand name products that use sweatshops) uses are quality material. It's the labor that's dirt cheap and that's where they get the most of their profit from.
Believe it or not (again) sweatshops have quality control.

I could post something about the mechanics of products using sweatshop labor, but that would bore you and me (being in a 3rd world country does help in knowing things, to an extent).
Besides, Miami-Dallas is going to be on in a few hours, and a replay of World Cup matches are on the telly.

[-Young Buck-]

Post that on niketalk.com and watch yourself get "stonefaced" over there.

niketalk.com?

meaning it was made with cheap labor and shotty fabrics. design has almost nothing to do with that. my point is nike's shoes doesnt cost 100 bucks to make, it probably costs around 20 bucks. A shoe that costs 15 bucks doesnt always mean they will fall apart, they just might not be made with the best material, which i think marbs would use better material

Believe it or not the material Nike (or some brand name products that use sweatshops) uses are quality material. It's the labor that's dirt cheap and that's where they get the most of their profit from.
Believe it or not (again) sweatshops have quality control.

right.... im sure the material is good. my point was that nike can make cheap shoes(material good, labor cheap), they just sell them at a price that isnt even close to what it costs to make. So why will marbs shoes fall apart just because he doesnt charge 3 or 4 times more then what it costs to make?

[Matthew]

Thats a good point almighty. Just becuase Marbury's profit margin wont be at 600% like Nike or reebok shoes doesnt mean the shoes will be chatty.

[J@3]

They'll probably look better than most Reebok/Nike's out there these days. Shoe's have gone to hell in a handbasket.

[MaD_hAND1e]

you mean to tell me Nike can use sweatshops to make 10 dollar sneakers and sell them for 100 bucks, but because Marbury will sell his for 15 bucks his will fall apart in 2 days?

Those sweatshops don't have a say on the important design of the shoe itself such as comfort and foot support which helps prevent injuries to the wearer. If Marbury picks a company that is inexperienced in making basketball shoes, it might result in a shitty product and problems to those who wear it.

he was talking about the shoe falling apart, meaning it was made with cheap labor and shotty fabrics. design has almost nothing to do with that. my point is nike's shoes doesnt cost 100 bucks to make, it probably costs around 20 bucks. A shoe that costs 15 bucks doesnt always mean they will fall apart, they just might not be made with the best material, which i think marbs would use better material then something like spalding would.

Maybe Marbs doesn't need sweat shop labour, he can just get the Sprewell family to make the shoes, I'm guessing they haven't ate(eaten?) in a while.

[Nick]

$20 says they'll look like the and 1 quest shoes he wore for 2-3 seasons

$20 says you'll have enough money for a pair of the shoes.

Pretty cool idea though. He's not changing the world though They're just shoes. God damn.

He said he is trying to change the mentality of "having" to buy expensive shoes. I dont think he means cheaper shoes will change the world.

I realise that, as you should see by the fact that i acknowledged the "idea".

Changing the mentality of having to buy expensive shoes won't change the world. Or atleast IMO. I found his arrogance mildly amusing...

[OuT KasT]

Normally the Nike materials are to a GOOD quality standard but that doesn't always mean that it's not cheap. They buy it in baulk and at a wholesale price from Asia so it's definatly going to be cheap labor and material.

But the quality is well done as well as the design and in my opinion one basic Nike Basketball Shoe would be worth at least $5US, even cheaper.

Just think if you owned a Major Company like Nike, Reebok or Adidas would you want to make heaps of profit or would you like to make a perfect shoe?

I know I would definatly be after the profits .

[Fenix]

In Coney Island, Marbury Has Message but No News
By HOWARD BECK

At the opening of his annual basketball tournament in Coney Island, Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury pledged yesterday to build "a new movement" to help children move out of poverty — and out of Coney Island.

Marbury, surrounded by a couple of dozen children, spoke of self-reliance and job creation and invoked the names of Oprah Winfrey, Jay-Z and Sean Combs.

Marbury grew up in the neighborhood's Surfside Gardens projects. His tournament, now in its 11th year, is held in honor of Jason Sowell, a high school teammate known as Juice who was shot and killed nearby in 1995.

"My message to the kids of Coney Island is: 'Don't want to live here. Don't want to be in Coney Island all your life,' " Marbury said. "And if somebody tells you different, don't deal with them people, because they want you to stay here. So what I'm doing is trying to give kids hope, and allow them to understand that with hard work and dedication, preparation, all of those different things, they'll be able to succeed."

Marbury spoke of creating jobs and other avenues out of poverty. He said he would pay barbers in his former neighborhood to give residents free haircuts.

He also said he would sponsor a line of low-cost sports apparel, to be marketed and sold by the Steve and Barry's chain, which has a location in Manhattan.

"The sneaker's going to be $14.98, the same exact shoe that you can go and spend $220 for," Marbury said. "What we're trying to do is allow kids to understand that we can still have the fly stuff, and we don't got to pay a whole bunch of money. The way how this world is right now, we need more people like me."

Marbury declined to talk about the Knicks — he chastised a reporter who asked about the team — but did mention Coach Larry Brown, who is expected to be fired soon. Brown and Marbury openly clashed throughout the season.

Marbury called the past year "the best year of my life," explaining that "my mind was trapped, and now my mind is free." When asked what opened him up, Marbury said, "Larry Brown."

"I love Larry Brown, period," he said. "I was tested. But that's all it was, was a test. I passed the test. I'm moving on to the next phase."

Marbury told reporters he would answer questions about the Knicks during a conference call today. A team spokesman later said that no call was planned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/sports/basketball/18marbury.html

Lol@ "The way how this world is right now, we need more people like me." I'll believe him when I see him distributing the ball and winning games. At this moment, I'm praying for Knicks to have another 20-25 win season, so the Bulls can nab Oden. But props to Marbury for community work.

[Mayerhendrix]

They're basketball players, not public speaking experts.

During postgame interviews they have a million "Ya know"s and their comments always sound a bit awkward like Marbury's self proclamation.

[shadowgrin]

The way how this world is right now, we need more people like me (Marbury).

Amen to that.

[Ruff Ryder]

The way how this world is right now, we need more people like me (Marbury).

Amen to that.

Welcome to the sig Marbury.

I'm changing the title of this thread to the Stephon Marbury-Humanitarian thread.

[hammertime23]

I respect him so much for this decision. Maybe everyone will follow and release their signature shoes for 15 bucks.

[Ruff Ryder]

Maybe everyone will follow and release their signature shoes for 15 bucks.

Ahahahahahahahahaha

[Axel]

He's only doing this because his reputation is shit, and nobody would buy his shoes if they weren't under 20 dollars.

[Cloudy]

He'll wear his shoes the same way Rasheed 'wears' AF1's.

Sheed definitely isn't wearing those $70 pairs with no cushioning.

There are Air Force 1's with Zoom Air though...

[Matthew]

He's only doing this because his reputation is shit, and nobody would buy his shoes if they weren't under 20 dollars.

I dont think marbury has ever cared about his reputation.