1996-The Best?

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Which is the better draft class?

1996
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2003
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1996-The Best?

Postby Isaiah on Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:26 pm

Sports Illustrated wrote:Best ever?
Ten years in, NBA's class of '96 feels like bragging


As far as Jermaine O'Neal was concerned, the proof was right there on the page.

The Indiana Pacers All-Star was looking through a magazine when he spotted a list of the NBA's best players and realized he had something in common with a number of them.

"I was saying, 'You look at the All-NBA teams and a lot of those guys are from '96,"' O'Neal said. "When you look at that draft, it was unbelievable."

As they approach the 10-year anniversary of the night their pro careers began, O'Neal and his classmates feel they are entitled to some bragging.

"That was a great class," said Kobe Bryant, like O'Neal drafted out of high school before that was widely accepted. "A lot of great players came out of that draft. I don't think people are fully aware of the talent that came out of that draft."

The 1996 draft produced five players who were All-Stars this year. Four of them (Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen and Bryant) were All-NBA last season. Iverson and Nash have won MVP awards, and Nash and Bryant are among the leading candidates this season.

Need scoring? Try Bryant or Iverson. Nobody's more skilled at running an offense than Nash. For 3-point shooting, you can't do much better than Allen or Peja Stojakovic.

The NBA's two leading scorers are '96ers, and Nash tops the league in assists. Marcus Camby, taken behind Iverson with the second pick, was leading the league in rebounding early in the season before getting slowed by injuries.

No wonder O'Neal has no problem saying what others probably think.

"I'd say that was probably the best draft ever," he said. "I would say that if I had to evaluate just on what's going on in the NBA now, with all the stars we have in the game now."

That would depend on a person's definition of a good draft. It's hard to top Oscar Robertson and Jerry West going 1-2 in 1960; the 1984 draft yielded three future MVPs in the top five picks: Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley -- plus John Stockton later in the first round.

But few drafts boast as many talented players deep into the first round. An All-Star team could be fielded just on players taken after the first dozen picks:

Bryant (No. 13), Stojakovic (14), Nash (15), O'Neal (17) and Zydrunas Ilgauskas (20).

"It's got to be up there," Nash said during All-Star weekend. "There's a bunch of other guys who aren't here that are having terrific careers, played in All-Star games, gotten max contracts. It's a very deep and talented class."

How Bryant ended up going so low out of Lower Merion High School in Pennsylvania remains a bit of a mystery. Asked recently how 12 teams could have passed on him, Bryant joked that West must have been responsible. The former Lakers executive acquired Bryant's rights by sending Vlade Divac to the Charlotte Hornets.

"I think Jerry West might have had something to do with that," Bryant said. "He was kind of putting out, 'Oh no, don't draft that kid. I saw him work out. He's not that good."'

Still, Bryant would have been gone long before that if John Nash had his way.

Nash was New Jersey's general manger and said the Nets planned to take Bryant with the eighth pick. In fact, he says he and then-Nets coach John Calipari told Bryant and his family of their plans at dinner the night before the draft.

But Nash says Bryant called the next afternoon to tell the Nets he wasn't interested in playing for them, probably because he knew where he could end up instead.

"As I recall, we got this phone call somewhere in the vicinity at 2 in the afternoon," Nash said. "By 6, it was apparent to us as to what had happened."

Not willing to take a chance of Calipari's first draft turning into a mess, the Nets instead took Villanova guard Kerry Kittles, the other player they had been interested in. But Nash, who would scout both players on trips to Philadelphia, said he wanted to go with Bryant anyway.
MVP Steve Nash (center) was taken with the 15th pick of the draft,
MVP Steve Nash (center) was taken with the 15th pick of the draft,
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"I was a Kobe guy and I told John not to change his decision," Nash said.

Bryant has helped the Lakers win three titles and he leads the league in scoring this season. Kittles battled injuries throughout much of his seven seasons in New Jersey.

The Minnesota Timberwolves might sometimes wish they could have a do-over on the other big trade from that draft.

The Timberwolves took Allen fifth and traded his rights to Milwaukee, which had selected Stephon Marbury with the previous pick. Marbury wanted out after helping the Timberwolves to the playoffs in each of his first two seasons, and it's since been a constant struggle for the Wolves to find someone with enough skill and character to pair with Kevin Garnett.

Allen has both. A second-team All-NBA selection last year regarded as one of the league's best shooters, he also is well respected within the league. So he could have been talking about his own situation when he said: "That's why sometimes you can't draft on pure talent. You have to draft on personalities, too."

Like any draft, the '96 one had its share of misses. Samaki Walker, Todd Fuller and Vitaly Potapenko were among the players picked in between Kittles and Bryant.

But with a core group currently dominating the league, and players such as Marbury and No. 6 pick Antoine Walker among those who previously have been All-Stars, the class of '96 has reached a level that Bryant isn't sure will be seen again soon.

"I don't know. Maybe not for a while," Bryant said. "Our draft has bred a lot of successful NBA players, a lot of star players. And I'm proud to be a part of tha

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do you guys say that this is the best draft class overall? or is it 2003?
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Postby zmac on Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:31 pm

I think '96 has the edge. They have a wider range of great/good players. But they only have 1 (Kobe) that you could say "he was one of the greatest ever".
I think '03 has 2 almost 3 players that are looking to be those type players (LBJ, Wade, Melo).
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Postby dada on Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:35 pm

I dont see how 2003 came into the convo, it wasnt that great.

96 Draft was pretty good but I dont know if they were the best. Thats an assignment that would take extensive research on my part to answer.
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Postby KIG1 on Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:58 pm

96 was better than 03, but in the future, 03 defiantly has the edge. Dwade, Bosh, Melo, LB James, Darko, TJ Ford, etc
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Postby Matt on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:00 pm

2003 was strong to start off but not really deep.

Still, we gotta wait and see how many championships and MVP's this class delivers.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:02 pm

Compared to 2003, 1996 is easily superior if only because those players have had 10 years in the league and accomplished more than the class of 2003 to date. A few more years and perhaps it might look a little more even.
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Postby Matt on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:05 pm

well Darko has a ring :P
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Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:12 pm

Well sure, but Jud Buechler has three. Score one for the class of 1990. :headbang:
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Postby Sauru on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:17 pm

i would have to say the 96 class is better but i still like the 84 draft as the best one ever (some bias involved i admit)
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Postby fgrep15 on Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:36 pm

zmac|two3 wrote:I think '96 has the edge. They have a wider range of great/good players. But they only have 1 (Kobe) that you could say "he was one of the greatest ever".
I think '03 has 2 almost 3 players that are looking to be those type players (LBJ, Wade, Melo).

What happened to Bosh?

2003 is not that deep, it's Top heavy, but really doesn't go that far in terms of All-Star caliber players, and good players down the line.

I think 1999 and 1998 were also good drafts:

1999:
Elton Brand
Shawn Marion
Baron Davis
Rip Hamilton
Corey Maggette
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirilenko
Manu Ginobili
Steve Francis
Lamar Odom
Jason Terry
Wally Szczerbiak



1998:
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Vince Carter
Mike Bibby
Antawn Jamison
Rashard Lewis
Al Harrington
Cuttino Mobley
Ricky Davis
Larry Hughes
Bonzi Wells
Jason Williams
Rafer Alston

Bottom guys aren't really stars, but above average-good players.

If we want to go back out of the mid-later 90's, then of course we have drafts like 84 etc..
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Postby EGarrett on Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:38 pm

Matt wrote:2003 was strong to start off but not really deep.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Ignoring the lottery:

Luke Ridnour
David West (check his stats this year)
Boris Diaw
Brian Cook
Kendrick Perkins
Leandro Barbosa
Josh Howard
Luke Walton
Steve Blake
Mo Williams
James Jones
Kyle Korver
Udonis Haslem
Marquis Daniels
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Postby funk99 on Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:05 pm

1996 was nice but 2003 was awesome. wade, lebron, carmelo.
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Postby Drex on Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:10 am

That's 3 guys who haven't won anything in the NBA. 96 gives you Kobe, Iverson & Nash.
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Postby cyanide on Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:59 am

Let's ask if 2003 is better in about 10 years from now. Btw, I still liked the 1984 class which had Hakeem and Jordan in it, who both broke so many records that's maybe equivalent to whatever the 1996 class could put together.
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Postby Axel on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:33 am

Drex wrote:That's 3 guys who haven't won anything in the NBA. 96 gives you Kobe, Iverson & Nash.


And Iverson and Nash have?
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Postby BIG GREEN on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:39 am

1984 was the best...jordan, barkley, stockton etc. No fucking question. If Lebron and wade as well as the others live up to their potential...it might be considered one day to be the best draft class.
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Postby Buckley on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:43 am

2003 had LeBron, Melo, CB4, Wade

1996 had AI, Kobe, Nash, J. O'Neal,

1984 had Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton, and some guy named Jordan

I would have to say 84 without question.
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Postby Drex on Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:49 am

And Iverson and Nash have?

2 MVP's, bitch :lol:
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Postby Sauru on Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:44 pm

and a 3rd on the way
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Postby AI2 on Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:51 pm

cwebbiverson wrote: and some guy named Jordan

Houston and Portland thoght that
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Postby Laxation on Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:31 pm

right now, of course 96 is stronger, but i think in a few years 03 will be so much better.
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Postby artestfighttrainer on Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:12 pm

Just give the class of 2003 time and they could equal or top 1984 and 97 draft.
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Postby Matt on Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:19 pm

Class of 03 will not win 8 rings
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Postby Bang on Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:24 pm

I don't think the 2003 class nor the 1996 class could topple the 1984 class. How many would fit into top 50 all time? In 1984 you have 4 guys that are DEFINITELY TOP 50 ALL TIME.
Hakeem Olajuwon - One of the greatest centers ever.
Charles Barkley - One of the greatest power forwards ever.
John Stockton - One of the greatest point guards ever.
some guy named Jordan - One of the greatest players ever.

Now I doubt the class of 1996 can name that many greats.
Kobe - One of the greatest SGs ever and in top 50 all time. Sure, I'll give him that
Jermaine O' Neal - Not top 50...no way. He's good, but not THAT good.
Allen Iverson - Maybe he makes top 75 ever, but top 50 I'm not too sure...it's clearly not a surefire decision though.
Steve Nash - Please don't compare him to Stockton. PLEASE. If you think he deserves to be in top 50, I don't think you've watched Stockton play much, or Cousy, or Magic, etc.
Ray Allen - Hahahahah. No.

2003
LeBron James - He will be remembered as top 50 all time, barring some freak injury.
Dwyane Wade - Hm...I'd say the same about Wade
Carmelo Anthony - I'm not sure.
Chris Bosh - He's probably going to be a great player some day, but not one of the best PFs to play the game.

But if you're talking about depth, then 1996 would probably be the deepest draft. 2003 was very top heavy. Sure those non-lottery picks are good, but they honestly don't compare to LeBron and Wade.
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Postby Pera on Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:32 pm

1996 is better.How do you actually think that 2003 is better they won shit.
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