Hopefully they split the next two, setting up a grand finale in the form of a Game 7 showdown.Spurs vs Nets
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by Hank on Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:24 am
I, for one, am very disappointed in SA. That's the kind of game a championship team wins. As much as I love em, I don't see the 2003 Spurs as a team that has the killer instict. They should've swept New Jersey; instead, it'll probably go 7.
Stil...Go Spurs!
Stil...Go Spurs!
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by benji on Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:05 am
Spurs should win this in six...why? They win every series in six...
I have no faith in the Nets....here's why...
Game One: 101-89 Spurs
Game Two: 87-85 Nets because Stephen Jackson didn't follow his shot
Game Three: 84-79 Spurs
Game Four: 77-76 Nets because the Spurs shot 28%, the second four (Bruce-Tony-Malik-Jack) shot something like 4/38 (if they shot 15%, the Spurs win with a game three-like margin) and Mutombo got away with a goaltend on game-tying three by Ginobili
yeah, the Nets are really showing them Spurs
Plus...these questions stick in my mind...
How do you only win by one point when your opponent only shoots 28%?
Even better...how do you blow a 15 point third quarter lead when your opponent is shooting 28%?
I agree with Tom Tolbert, that game did look like the refs were coddling the Nets (example: that first foul on Duncan, I thought fouls required contact?) and it does set a bad precedent to complain about the refs now if you're going to get calls for you the next game after you do...
They aren't a "championship" team, they are a "rebuilding" team, like they said before the season.
I have no faith in the Nets....here's why...
Game One: 101-89 Spurs
Game Two: 87-85 Nets because Stephen Jackson didn't follow his shot
Game Three: 84-79 Spurs
Game Four: 77-76 Nets because the Spurs shot 28%, the second four (Bruce-Tony-Malik-Jack) shot something like 4/38 (if they shot 15%, the Spurs win with a game three-like margin) and Mutombo got away with a goaltend on game-tying three by Ginobili
yeah, the Nets are really showing them Spurs
Plus...these questions stick in my mind...
How do you only win by one point when your opponent only shoots 28%?
Even better...how do you blow a 15 point third quarter lead when your opponent is shooting 28%?
I agree with Tom Tolbert, that game did look like the refs were coddling the Nets (example: that first foul on Duncan, I thought fouls required contact?) and it does set a bad precedent to complain about the refs now if you're going to get calls for you the next game after you do...
I, for one, am very disappointed in SA. That's the kind of game a championship team wins.
They aren't a "championship" team, they are a "rebuilding" team, like they said before the season.
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by EGarrett on Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:20 am
I have no faith in the Nets....here's why...
Because they swept your favorite team...and are actually making a series out of the NBA Finals...
Mutombo got away with a goaltend on game-tying three by Ginobili
It was Kidd. How did you confuse those two? And how does a flat-footed Jason Kidd goaltend a shot that never even bounced around the rim?
Anyway....considering the list of reasons you gave last year for it being a "fact" that the Hornets would win the East and the Nets would be worse...I think it's obvious that, ultimately, your predictions are about as reliable as a coin flip. Just like everyone else...
They should've swept New Jersey
The Nets rolled through the East with 10 straight wins...and now the Finals are tied...but some people still refuse to recognize...wow...
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by Colin on Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:36 am
Are you kidding me! It would have barely hit the bottom of the net, the ball was (as I recall) already level with the rim a foot away when it got grabbed.Ben wrote:Mutombo got away with a goaltend on game-tying three by Ginobili
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by Wall St. Peon on Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:53 am
If there was a reason for Ginobli's shot for falling short, it was K-Mart barely hitting his hand...and I mean barely...I think Manu just choked, that was a great look he had...
I still think the Spurs will win the series, as much as I'd love to see an East team win the championship, I just don't see it happening...like Ben said, the Nets almost lost when they held the Spurs under 30% shooting and four key players well below their averages....
I still think the Spurs will win the series, as much as I'd love to see an East team win the championship, I just don't see it happening...like Ben said, the Nets almost lost when they held the Spurs under 30% shooting and four key players well below their averages....
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by EGarrett on Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:39 pm
If there was a reason for Ginobli's shot for falling short, it was K-Mart barely hitting his hand...and I mean barely...I think Manu just choked, that was a great look he had...
I still think the Spurs will win the series, as much as I'd love to see an East team win the championship, I just don't see it happening...like Ben said, the Nets almost lost when they held the Spurs under 30% shooting and four key players well below their averages....
Are you going to be struck by lightning or something if you give the Nets the slightest shred of credit?
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by Wall St. Peon on Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:47 pm
It's not like I'm bashing them....I know the shot wasn't goaltended, so I said the only likely reason was Martin barely hitting the bottom of Manu's hand...if it had been that bad, Manu would have been screaming for a foul...but he wasn't, so he just choked....
I don't think the Nets deserve credit...yeah, they won, and that's all that matters, but they won UGLY...the 30% thing would have made them look good if they had won convincingly, but they didn't, the scraped by when the Spurs could barely score...I'll give them credit for holding on, but not for much else...
I don't think the Nets deserve credit...yeah, they won, and that's all that matters, but they won UGLY...the 30% thing would have made them look good if they had won convincingly, but they didn't, the scraped by when the Spurs could barely score...I'll give them credit for holding on, but not for much else...
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by air gordon on Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:43 pm
i think all this winning ugly/not winning convincingly talk is baloney. whoever gets to 4 wins first deserves the credit whether you like or not. and if the nets do win it, there's not going to be an asterisk next to it with a comment like "yeh well they couldn't blow out a team even though they held them to 30% shooting." or "they barely got by on each win".
a wise man once said, "who cares if the queen has nuts, she's still royalty"
a wise man once said, "who cares if the queen has nuts, she's still royalty"
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by Andrew on Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:04 pm
I agree, well said. It might be a factor when you talk about how they stack up against previous champions, but for any team to win the title, they have to have played fairly well, to say the least.
It might be a factor when you talk about how they stack up against previous champions, but for any team to win the title, they have to have played fairly well, to say the least.-
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by Wall St. Peon on Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:29 pm
Both teams are playing shitty, though 
It just evens out...
It just evens out...
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by EGarrett on Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:56 am
limpdilznik wisely wrote:i think all this winning ugly/not winning convincingly talk is baloney. whoever gets to 4 wins first deserves the credit whether you like or not. and if the nets do win it, there's not going to be an asterisk next to it with a comment like "yeh well they couldn't blow out a team even though they held them to 30% shooting." or "they barely got by on each win".
a wise man once said, "who cares if the queen has nuts, she's still royalty"
Exactly. If you look at results of Finals past...you can see that there are loads of injured franchise players, ugly victories and blowout losses by eventual winners. What matters in the end is who wins it. Ultimately...this is just petty criticism and sour grapes...
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by benji on Sat Jun 14, 2003 5:51 am
Because they swept your favorite team...
No, they didn't?
and are actually making a series out of the NBA Finals...
No, they aren't?
It was Kidd. How did you confuse those two? And how does a flat-footed Jason Kidd goaltend a shot that never even bounced around the rim?
the shot was coming down, and someone jumped up and grabbed it, if it wasn't below the rim, it's technically a goal tend...but since I can't remember it I'll say you and Colin are right until someone shows me otherwise...
Anyway....considering the list of reasons you gave last year for it being a "fact" that the Hornets would win the East and the Nets would be worse...I think it's obvious that, ultimately, your predictions are about as reliable as a coin flip. Just like everyone else...
I haven't made any predictions? Just stating that the Spurs tend to win in six? Have no idea why you need to bring that up other than to attempt to make me look like I lack credibility in anything I say...I mean I could bring up you claiming Miles and Brown would be better by far this year between claims of my lack of credibility and discussion contribution...but...as I look for my post where I said it was a fact the Hornets would win the East...
All I can find...
While, it's true that I thought the Hornets had a serious chance at a Finals trip. I also thought the Kings did, and at the start of the season, ignoring injuries, those were both easy and logical picks to make.
The Hornets unfortunately got battered by injuries to two key players in Elden Campbell and Baron Davis. Courtney Alexander while playing good, did not explode like he should have. Then as guard woes took their toll, they moved their biggest advantage for Kenny Anderson. After that trade I wrote them off as a Finals contender. Even Jamal Mashburn soldifying himself as the best SF in the East and the development of Jamaal Magloire couldn't help. On paper, before the season, no one in the East could match them. You had two top five Eastern centers, the best in the East, and an up and comer. You had a quality depth at the bench, though it hinged on Courtney Alexander as to how great it would be. You had a healthy Mashburn who was making a case for best SF in the East the year before. If Davis was healthy, happy and playing like he had in the playoffs the Hornets were easily my favorites to win the East. I never said it was a fact they would win. I did not have the same hope for the Nets because at that time (months before the season) it seemed as if Mutombo would be playing 30+ minutes a night.
But, I concur, my predicitions and false claims are nowhere near as reliable as yours...
The Nets rolled through the East with 10 straight wins...and now the Finals are tied...but some people still refuse to recognize...wow...
To recognize what? That they rolled through the JV against the Celtics (only Pavel takes them seriously), and the Pistons (that only me and Matt(Stack) take seriously and would be quick to point out...were broken)? That they blew a fifteen point lead in the third, and nearly lost despite the Spurs shooting 28%? That they aren't blowing out a rebuilding team that can't shoot straight? That they have to complain to the refs to thus get a game where Duncan has to be raped and decapitated to draw a foul and where they win by one despite their opponent shooting 12 percentage points less?
Are you going to be struck by lightning or something if you give the Nets the slightest shred of credit?
Credit for what? For almost losing a game where they led by 15 in the third despite their opponents five key role players shooting 14%? Putting Kittles on Parker was smart, will that please you? The fact is...the Nets deserve little credit, maybe if they won that game by some margin rather than it coming down to a last second shot after they led by fifteen in the third and their opponent missed 72% of their shots they would deserve credit for beating the Spurs...
Ultimately...this is just petty criticism and sour grapes...
One could also say that you are just spewing some petty criticism over your sour grapes that the Nets aren't as close to the Spurs as you had hoped...
Just think, what if the Spurs had won game four despite shooting 28%, Duncan having to be raped and decapitated to draw a foul, the Nets leading by fifteen in the third, and their five key role players shooting 14%...I mean...they were inches from doing it...
No, they didn't?
and are actually making a series out of the NBA Finals...
No, they aren't?
It was Kidd. How did you confuse those two? And how does a flat-footed Jason Kidd goaltend a shot that never even bounced around the rim?
the shot was coming down, and someone jumped up and grabbed it, if it wasn't below the rim, it's technically a goal tend...but since I can't remember it I'll say you and Colin are right until someone shows me otherwise...
Anyway....considering the list of reasons you gave last year for it being a "fact" that the Hornets would win the East and the Nets would be worse...I think it's obvious that, ultimately, your predictions are about as reliable as a coin flip. Just like everyone else...
I haven't made any predictions? Just stating that the Spurs tend to win in six? Have no idea why you need to bring that up other than to attempt to make me look like I lack credibility in anything I say...I mean I could bring up you claiming Miles and Brown would be better by far this year between claims of my lack of credibility and discussion contribution...but...as I look for my post where I said it was a fact the Hornets would win the East...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:a lot depends on Kenyon Martin...if he plays like games 3 and 4 all year long...and he gets adequate support from his teammates...the Nets can dominate...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:Wizards will not place in the top 5 of the East...IF they make the playoffs it will be a modern day miracle...
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The Hornets are the best team in the Eastern Conference on paper...[Emphasis Added]
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Duncan will deserve the MVP again this year...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:Keith Van Horn gave them a shooter...Rodney Rogers can't replace KVH despite what they say...
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had they kept KVH and T-Mac...and added Rogers and Childs I would then concede that they could compete with New Orleans on paper
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I think New Orleans has the team chemistry to use their amazing depth...even with probably the most overrated PG in the game...[Emphasis Added]
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:You'll miss Keith more than you think you will...
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the odds are against the Nets...The Bulls, Knicks, Pacers and Sixers all failed to post a near repeat performance...and the Pacers, Sixers (well...since 1983 but those years were so bad it makes up for it...) and Nets made the Finals for the first time in the NBA...which following that trend says...it's all Hornets this year...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:While the patterns are no means the definite factor...they are certainly interesting in the fact that they continue to occur regardless of team...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid wrote:and why does everyone keep saying "because they beat your Pistons"...
The uncontributing, always wrong immature kid, in response to Mr. Garrett's comments the Wizards will win the East if the Nets don't and the Hornets have no shot wrote:the Hornets also have what no other East team does...two good centers
All I can find...
While, it's true that I thought the Hornets had a serious chance at a Finals trip. I also thought the Kings did, and at the start of the season, ignoring injuries, those were both easy and logical picks to make.
The Hornets unfortunately got battered by injuries to two key players in Elden Campbell and Baron Davis. Courtney Alexander while playing good, did not explode like he should have. Then as guard woes took their toll, they moved their biggest advantage for Kenny Anderson. After that trade I wrote them off as a Finals contender. Even Jamal Mashburn soldifying himself as the best SF in the East and the development of Jamaal Magloire couldn't help. On paper, before the season, no one in the East could match them. You had two top five Eastern centers, the best in the East, and an up and comer. You had a quality depth at the bench, though it hinged on Courtney Alexander as to how great it would be. You had a healthy Mashburn who was making a case for best SF in the East the year before. If Davis was healthy, happy and playing like he had in the playoffs the Hornets were easily my favorites to win the East. I never said it was a fact they would win. I did not have the same hope for the Nets because at that time (months before the season) it seemed as if Mutombo would be playing 30+ minutes a night.
But, I concur, my predicitions and false claims are nowhere near as reliable as yours...
Wizards have what it takes to win the East if the Nets don't.
The Nets rolled through the East with 10 straight wins...and now the Finals are tied...but some people still refuse to recognize...wow...
To recognize what? That they rolled through the JV against the Celtics (only Pavel takes them seriously), and the Pistons (that only me and Matt(Stack) take seriously and would be quick to point out...were broken)? That they blew a fifteen point lead in the third, and nearly lost despite the Spurs shooting 28%? That they aren't blowing out a rebuilding team that can't shoot straight? That they have to complain to the refs to thus get a game where Duncan has to be raped and decapitated to draw a foul and where they win by one despite their opponent shooting 12 percentage points less?
Are you going to be struck by lightning or something if you give the Nets the slightest shred of credit?
Credit for what? For almost losing a game where they led by 15 in the third despite their opponents five key role players shooting 14%? Putting Kittles on Parker was smart, will that please you? The fact is...the Nets deserve little credit, maybe if they won that game by some margin rather than it coming down to a last second shot after they led by fifteen in the third and their opponent missed 72% of their shots they would deserve credit for beating the Spurs...
Ultimately...this is just petty criticism and sour grapes...
One could also say that you are just spewing some petty criticism over your sour grapes that the Nets aren't as close to the Spurs as you had hoped...
Just think, what if the Spurs had won game four despite shooting 28%, Duncan having to be raped and decapitated to draw a foul, the Nets leading by fifteen in the third, and their five key role players shooting 14%...I mean...they were inches from doing it...
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by EGarrett on Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:05 am
1. The Nets are representing the East in the Finals for the second year in a row.
2. In Finals game wins...the ONLY stat that decides the champion...the Nets are currently equal to the Spurs.
Those are the two things that matter. People have been picking against the Nets all year...but they're in the Finals and it's tied...you'd think after a while they would figure out that the team is better than they think...guess not.
Why is that people complain that there's no defense being played by modern teams...then when team's do...they complain that both teams are playing like crap? These are two of the top defensive teams in the league...I'm not surprised they're having trouble scoring on each other.
The games have the same amount of drama to me if the final score is 77-76 or 121-120.
2. In Finals game wins...the ONLY stat that decides the champion...the Nets are currently equal to the Spurs.
Those are the two things that matter. People have been picking against the Nets all year...but they're in the Finals and it's tied...you'd think after a while they would figure out that the team is better than they think...guess not.
Shane wrote:Both teams are playing shitty, though
Why is that people complain that there's no defense being played by modern teams...then when team's do...they complain that both teams are playing like crap? These are two of the top defensive teams in the league...I'm not surprised they're having trouble scoring on each other.
The games have the same amount of drama to me if the final score is 77-76 or 121-120.
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by Wall St. Peon on Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:37 pm
Um, they are playing shitty...Tony Parker bricking wide open shots and Stephen Jackson bouncing the ball off his leg for his 12th turnover and Kidd taking 20 shots a game and making 7 of them over a much smaller defender and everyone missing tip ins and tons of fouling and...do I need to go on? That's playing shitty. If they play great defense, that's fine, like tonight, good defense...but they're still scoring because they should be able to score with the amount of talent on each team, especially the Nets...this is the finals with the Spurs and Nets, not the Knicks vs the Heat...I don't expect the score to be like THAT game, and the scores have been that way...
They're playing shitty...
They're playing shitty...
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by Andrew on Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:30 pm
I doubt the Nets can win two in San Antonio, but I'm still hoping the series goes seven. I'm not going to count the Nets out completely, but if I remember rightly, no team has come back from 3-2 to win the NBA Finals - history isn't on their side.
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by Wall St. Peon on Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:39 pm
hey look, a great defensive game that didn't suck...
Too bad K-Mart's sick, the nets could use his energy...I figured the Nets would take it before the game started, K-Mart looked pumped and focused as hell...the bug got him bad...
Good win for the Spurs, but the Nets can still do well if K-Mart gets well...
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by airtsinelas on Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:51 pm
Big win, Tim Duncan got a big game tonight and Steve Kerr again hitting two huge shots late to seal the game. For the Nets, it was only Kidd and Jefferson who stepped up, I think.
If the Spurs are going to be complacent like in Game 6, they will give the Nets a chance to win the crown. Thats the Spurs problem they blew leads, but they havent blown a lead in this finals which I credit the Spurs for that.
If the Spurs are going to be complacent like in Game 6, they will give the Nets a chance to win the crown. Thats the Spurs problem they blew leads, but they havent blown a lead in this finals which I credit the Spurs for that.
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by Jackal on Mon Jun 16, 2003 1:44 pm
Very good prediciton Benji ( Why doesnt your Avatar show up?? )
Good game by the Spurs to close it out...The Admiral got to go out in style...In the beginnin of the season I think Duncan had said...Robinson will go out with a ring...he kept his word...Nice goin.
Was an interesting series...wished it wudve gone to game 7...
Now I guess we just sit and wait till the season openers of 2003 - 2004 season eh
Lakers WILL be back. Let me see how many mean replies i get on this one...Hehehehe
( Why doesnt your Avatar show up?? )Good game by the Spurs to close it out...The Admiral got to go out in style...In the beginnin of the season I think Duncan had said...Robinson will go out with a ring...he kept his word...Nice goin.
Was an interesting series...wished it wudve gone to game 7...
Now I guess we just sit and wait till the season openers of 2003 - 2004 season eh
Lakers WILL be back.
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