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Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:52 pm
Dajuan Wagner
6th pick in 2002 draft
currently unemployed.
at least darko has a job
Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:58 pm
aww come on people, stop hating on araujo. feel bad for the guy, he TRIES hard but cant do well. and yes, he does have a VERY good work ethnic, he lost 10 points in between the seasons to try to get quicker. for another suggestion, how bout ndudi ebi?
Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:45 pm
Here's a few...
Jay Williams
Penny Hardaway
Michael Ruffin
Calvin Booth
Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:48 pm
Jay williams - he got injured, cant help that
penny - he was good, injuries
the other 2 i agree.
My list would be Reece Gaines, Ryan Bowen and Zhizhi wang
Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:50 pm
drunkmofo123 wrote:aww come on people, stop hating on araujo. feel bad for the guy, he TRIES hard but cant do well. and yes, he does have a VERY good work ethnic, he lost 10 points in between the seasons to try to get quicker. for another suggestion, how bout ndudi ebi?
Arujo needs to be more agressive on offense, he needs to finish strong with like a power dunk (like how he used to in College). He also needs to work on his midrage jumpshot during the offseason or now.
Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:17 pm
any one think of these names
Rodney White (9th pick of 2001)
Michael Doleac (12th pick of 1998)
Marcus Fizer (4th pick of 2000)
Rodney White isn't playing NBA Ball
Michael Doleac is warmin up the bench
and Marcus Fizer struggling to make an NBA Team
Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:44 pm
NBA's Hopeless:
Dajuan Wagner, Araujo, Sean Marks.
Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:04 pm
Marks is puttin up numbers.
You know, I thought K-Mart (kevin martin) was gonna be another Darko... but see what happens when he gets minutes.
I bet you if darko got 25 min a game for 20 games he would shape up nicely.
Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:03 pm
Mikki Dela Rea wrote:Wang Zhizhi. Good thing he isn't an "all-star".

hell no..he's better than Yao back to those days..but is not given minutes and chance..Yao's is lucky..
Kwame Brown IMO..
Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:15 pm
Wouldn't agree with you who says Darko is a bust. He didn't/don't have chance to prove himself. It's ot his fault that his in best team in the league

. However, I'm sure he would play on same level as Bogut, if not better, if he would be a starting C at Atlanta for example.
Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:21 pm
How could he play at the same level as Bogut (averaging 9/7 on a play off team) if he was starting at C for Atlanta

Atlanta would still suck, and Darko would be lucky to remove Zaza Pachulia from the starting lineup.
Face it, he's a bust to end all busts.
He's had 2 entirely different coaches now, he's had opportunities... if he was that good he'd be getting minutes, plain and simple. Flip wouldn't bench him for no reason.
Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:48 pm
My point all along is that he never had, and still don't get real chance. I thought he was a bust, but I saw him playing at EC last year, 10-15 minutes per game, yet he was best rebounder, best blocker and he was puting some nice point number as well.
I see him being traded this season. I've heard his interiew last mid-season where he said he'll wait untill end and if he still don't get a chance, he'll ask for trade. Remember his games at the end of last season, he was pretty solid then.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:02 am
if Carlos Arroyo doesnt improve his defense, he'll end up on this list pretty soon.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:24 am
Wang Zhi Zhi wasn't even drafted
Oberto wasn't drafted
Sean Marks was only drafted 44th overall
Ryan Bowen was only drafted 55th overall
Can't really call those guys busts.
I have to agree with Kwame, Wagner and Skita being busts, I'll add Olowokandi to that list as well.
Also guys like Darko, Amir Johnson and Gerald Green haven't been in the league long enough to be labeled busts, they haven't really had their chance to shine yet.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:48 pm
Anthony15 wrote:Tskitishvili, i can't believe Nuggets drafted this loser, when we had a chance to get Amare!!!!
Yea, he sucks big time. Whats this dude's name, I forgot he played for Nets last year, now he is playing for Celetics, The Red Headed pimply white dude... Oh... Schalibrini or whoever you spell that. He is pretty dumb, I prrsonally find Elson horrifying as well, lol, like last night vs Dallas when he was runniong behind Andre who was dribbling and kicked the ball out of Andre's hands to get a TO, moron.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:52 pm
Brian Scalabrine?
Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:02 pm
lpasso.sor wrote:Wouldn't agree with you who says Darko is a bust. He didn't/don't have chance to prove himself. It's ot his fault that his in best team in the league

. However, I'm sure he would play on same level as Bogut, if not better, if he would be a starting C at Atlanta for example.
He has had a chance. The start of this season, he was getting 5-10mpg in the 2nd quarter, and played like shit. his attitude is just shithouse, and until he goes to another team i rekon its gonna stay that way
Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:18 pm
When you're talking about the worst players, I don't think busts necessarily count because many of them have shown skills at some point, they're simply not worthy of their draft position. Tyson Chandler for instance. Worth the second overall pick in 2001 and subsequently Elton Brand? No, probably not. Overpaid? Can't argue there. But he's not completely incompetent out on the court, he can play basketball. Just not as well as Bulls fans might have hoped.
The worst players in the NBA - in my opinion - can't have shown anything but potential. To be fair, they might have one skill or positive. They might have height, they might have bulk, they might be able to block shots, knock down the mid-range jumper or rebound. Maybe a couple of these. But that's it. Everywhere else, they're a liability.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:21 pm
Matt wrote:if Carlos Arroyo doesnt improve his defense, he'll end up on this list pretty soon.
Arroyo is FAR from being in the worst-player list.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:21 pm
cklitsie wrote:Wang Zhi Zhi wasn't even drafted
Oberto wasn't drafted
Sean Marks was only drafted 44th overall
Ryan Bowen was only drafted 55th overall
Can't really call those guys busts.
agreed....you can't call these guys busts....all these guys (I don't know Oberto's game so can't comment on that) are role players and play their roles well, so how would you call them bad players....
when I saw this thread I knew all the 'knowledgeable' fans would mention Marks....Jae has already more or less covered my argument for me so I'll stick out of that one
being a joke, bust, etc is a tough label to put on any NBA player as they have reached the highest level of the game of basketball....and the fact is, it's all subjective....
when I think of bball players who are jokes, I don't think of the role players, I think of the players who have so much potential, but for whatever reason don't live up to it and squander their skills....
this is subjective, but for me, a few jokes in the NBA are:
- Antoine Walker (luved him as a rookie, then he found the 3pt line to his liking)
- Steve Francis (from Draft Day onwards, need I say more)
- Tim Thomas (just the potential factor I guess)
and the list would go on....to me, those are some of the guys who are jokes....
Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:31 pm
Riot wrote:Richie Frahm.
The guy can shoot from the outside, the problem is if he is NBA material.
cklitsie wrote:Wang Zhi Zhi wasn't even drafted
Wang was drafted in the 1999 draft (second round I believe). The guy has a good outside shooting but I think the was it, the guy's soft and was totally out of the rotation in a crowded Dallas lineup.[/quote]
Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:57 pm
Wang was drafted in the 2nd round
but Darko is still better than a lot of players in the league despite getting no PT on Detroit.
Examples of players that Darko is better than:
Araujo
Jackson Vroman
Malik Allen
Esteban Batista
Olowokandi
Calvin Booth
Peter John Ramos
Pavel Podkolzin
Andrew Bynum
Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:44 pm
Voshon Lenard-i just can't stand him
Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:54 pm
Qballer wrote:Wang was drafted in the 2nd round
but Darko is still better than a lot of players in the league despite getting no PT on Detroit.
Examples of players that Darko is better than:
Araujo
Jackson Vroman
Malik Allen
Esteban Batista
Olowokandi
Calvin Booth
Peter John Ramos
Pavel Podkolzin
Andrew Bynum
I'd take Bynum over Darko... but either way, those guys all pretty much get as much PT as Darko. I've never seen a young player who averages like 1ppg actually REGRESS as he gets older.
Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:26 pm
JOE KLEINE
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