Your Mid-season Awards

[Buckley]

MVP: Chauncey Billups
Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul
Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man of the Year: Mo Williams
Defensive Player of the Year: Marcus Camby
Most Improved Player of the Year: David West

[DB]

MVP: Kobe Bryant (most people will have a weird feeling if Kobe didn't get it)
ROY:Chris Paul
COY: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man: Andre Nocioni
DPOY: Marcus Camby
MIP: David West

[Axel]

Marcus Camby has missed 19 games this year... that's almost half his teams games! How can he be the defensive player of the year?

[fgrep15]

MVP: Kobe Bryant (most people will have a weird feeling if Kobe didn't get it)

People are still hyped up on the 81 point game, Kobe's team is on pace to win a measly 44 games. That wouldn't have gotten you in the playoffs last season in the West, I'm not sure how that is MVP like performance. If he get's MVP then McGrady should've gotten it when he averaged 32-6-5 and the Magic made the playoffs as the 8th seed.

[j.23]

hopefully nash gets MVP. even if he doesn't get it, he's shown people that last years win was not a fluke. he's averaging better numbers without amare -- now that's scary.

[DB]

MVP: Kobe Bryant (most people will have a weird feeling if Kobe didn't get it)

People are still hyped up on the 81 point game, Kobe's team is on pace to win a measly 44 games. That wouldn't have gotten you in the playoffs last season in the West, I'm not sure how that is MVP like performance. If he get's MVP then McGrady should've gotten it when he averaged 32-6-5 and the Magic made the playoffs as the 8th seed.

He should get it only if they win 48 or more games, and so far kobe's season is more impressive
than T-mac's in 2003. I mean you got people calling Kobe a lock for MVP...and calling the most
hated guy in NBA with a team record of 22-19 a lock for MVP means he's doing something special.

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People are still hyped up on the 81 point game

You weren't impressed with the 62 in 3?

[dada]

MVP: Kobe Bryant...go figure.
Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul
Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man of the Year: Mike Miller
Defensive Player of the Year: Shawn Marion
Most Improved Player of the Year: Chris Bosh

[Matt]

MVP shouldn't go to anyone but a Top 5 team in the league, or at worst a 50+ win team.

[maes]

Well, think of the people who vote for the MVP... Don't a 'board' of sportswriters/analysts do that? Since NBA wants the money, might as well promote Kobe Bryant whom will make that $$$ for them...

If it was based on someone who was helping their team win, I'd go with Steve Nash.

Heh, financial MVP would be Yao Ming. Forbes reported that Yao Ming has China's #1 spot in regards to marketing power, meaning he's the #1 most influential star for 1.3 billion customers, as opposted to Kobe's being somewhere on the chart for 10 million.

[Matt]

most of those 1.3 billion are too poor to be customers.

[Fresh8]

Take Kobe off the Lakers team... I odn't thnk they'd go too far.

With Yao, he doesn't have the game to back it up.
Right now, Kobe is getting a lot of attention. He's either the good or the bad guy and I think the NBA wants to keep it that way. They want to be recognised and not many guys apart from Kobe can generate as much hype as him.

[Jugs]

Take Kobe off their team would result the Lakers finishing the season 4-78

[Drex]

That proves that Kobe is the MVP of the Lakers, but not the MVP of the League.

[kinokong]

That proves that Kobe is the MVP of the Lakers, but not the MVP of the League.

lol if u prevent ur team from getting a 4-78 record to a 44-38 record, that's a 40 game improvement... if that doesn't get u a mvp.. what does???

also my list

mvp: billups
mip: david west
doy: shawn marion
roy: cp3
coach: flip
team: pistons

[Drex]

More W's. In most of the teams, if you take the superstar out, they will probably lose. IMO, Kobe won't get the MVP with a record barely above .500.

[zmac]

MVP: Kobe Bryant/LeBron James (Only coz we got 2nd best record in east).
Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul
Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man of the Year: Jamal Crawford
Defensive Player of the Year: Ben Wallace
Most Improved Player of the Year: David West

[dada]

MVP shouldn't go to anyone but a Top 5 team in the league, or at worst a 50+ win team.

So this is the grounds you set to guarantee someone else besides Kobe Bryant wins it this year. Gotta be a great player for people to hate you so much.

[fgrep15]

LeBron James (Only coz we got 2nd best record in east).

Actually the Heat do.

With all the people screaming MVP for Kobe, I don't think you understand how the award is given out. Note this: Wilt did not win MVP when he average 50+ PPG and scored 100 points. The next year when he average 44.8 PPG, he didn't even make All-NBA first team, so before you start calling it "hate", you need to think.

The Lakers are 22-19 and their current pace is 44 wins, that's really not special in any way.

You weren't impressed with the 62 in 3?

It's not about me being impressed, I was impressed by both, but that doesn't make him the league MVP in my mind by any means.

[DB]

I don't think you understand how the award is given out.

IMO people that want billups to win it don't seem to understand it either,
the guy is playing very good but not mvp level, he's is playing on a
very very good team, put Steve Kerr in his place and they still have a
great record, he's not an AS starter, hasn't been named Player of the
week yet and last but not least you have the DETROIT TIMES calling
Kobe a lock for the mvp (that's just an opinion but an important one).
Giving the MVP to billups would be a shame.

Note this: Wilt did not win MVP when he average 50+ PPG and scored 100 points.

Chauncey aint no Bill Russel.

The next year when he average 44.8 PPG, he didn't even make All-NBA first team.

I call that a big mistake.

The Lakers are 22-19 and their current pace is 44 wins, that's really not special in any way.

What Kobe is doing with this "CBA" like team is special but ofcourse he
needs a couple more wins than 44 to get it.

You weren't impressed with the 62 in 3?

It's not about me being impressed, I was impressed by both, but that doesn't make him the league MVP in my mind by any means.

I was impressed by him the whole season so far, that does make him MVP

[MetalHead]

MVP shouldn't go to anyone but a Top 5 team in the league, or at worst a 50+ win team.

So this is the grounds you set to guarantee someone else besides Kobe Bryant wins it this year. Gotta be a great player for people to hate you so much.

A team doesn't necessarily have to show 50+ wins for a MVP. You've also got to see some improvement from what sets a superstar apart of the past years. Kobe's team having a shit record last year, and Kobe's team still having a shitty record this year shouldn't justify a MVP award. And neither does scoring 81.

[dada]

Ok lets compare the MVP based on team performance to the MVP based on individual performance.

Remember, the MVP is Most Valuable Player.

How good would the Pistons be without Chauncey Billups?
How good would the Lakers be without Kobe Bryant?

Answer those questions and the guy whose team would suck more ass should have the mvp. If in your opinion the Pistons would suck so bad without Chauncey than the Lakers would without Kobe then Chauncey should win.

[BOSS]

MVP: Kobe Bryant
Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul
Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man of the Year: Mo Williams
Defensive Player of the Year: Marcus Camby
Most Improved Player of the Year: Chris Bosh

[J@3]

The Lakers are 22-19 and their current pace is 44 wins, that's really not special in any way.

It is if you look down their roster. I don't know why Kobe would have to lead his team to the same number of wins as someone like Nash, who was completely surrounded by all-stars and solid rotation players... if Kobe can get this garbage team into the play-offs somehow I don't see why he doesn't deserve it. These guys aren't the Pistons, the starting point guard is a D-leaguer and the second best player on the team is virtually garbage in comparison to what he used to be.

I think they'll win a few more than 44, but even if they don't a 10 win improvement purely based on the play of one player has to get a look. Who are the other candidates? Billups, Nash, LeBron etc... their teams are vastly superior to the Lakers so of course they're going to win. I don't think team records should take as much importance as some people want to put on it.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I'm on the bus right now and I saw that Mo Williams was playing pretty impressive, but then I looked at how many games he started compared to Mike Miller. He started 12 out of 37 games, while Miller started only 6 out of 37. Which is why my list is:

MVP: Chauncey Billups
Rookie of the Year: Chris Paul
Coach of the Year: Flip Saunders
Sixth Man of the Year: Mike Miller
Defensive Player of the Year: Marcus Camby/Shawn Marion/Andrei Kirilenko
Most Improved Player: David West

[fgrep15]

put Steve Kerr in his place and they still have a
great record, he's not an AS starter

That's a joke, the Pistons are on pace to win 71 games, to say Steve Kerr would give the same effect is just stupid. Steve Kerr wouldn't even start on the Pistons if he was there, Arroyo would start over him. Kerr would win them 45 games if he was the starting PG, by his own claim he was definately not a scorer of playmaking PG, or defender. All he could do was shoot standstill. Now if Billups was Tayshaun, who while important is probably the 5th best guy in the starting lineup, okay, I could understand that, but the guy is arguably the best 2 way PG in the league, is averaging 19 PPG and 9 APG, and is clutch, you don't just replace that with any other player.

Chauncey aint no Bill Russel.

...and Kobe isn't Wilt

I call that a big mistake.

Bill Russell was the first team C on his 58-22 team. Wilt's team was 31-49, I call that a great choice.

What Kobe is doing with this "CBA" like team is special but ofcourse he
needs a couple more wins than 44 to get it.

What are you arguing then? In terms of offensive options, Iverson's team was worse when he won MVP, they won 56 games. You realize that Iverson is having the best year of his career, yet not even near the top in MVP talk. In 02-03, McGrady averaged 32.1 PPG | 6.5 RPG | 5.5 APG | 1.7 SPG | was a higher efficiency scorer, turned the ball over less, and his team went 42-40. His second option was Mike Miller till he got traded, then it was Gordon Giricek. Crappy Shawn Kemp and Andrew Declerq were the starting C's on the team, and Gooden was the other good player. DA was on the decline then and the next guys getting minutes were Jaque Vaughn and Pat Burke. That team was worse than the current Lakers team, and they didn't have Phil either, so saying oh he has bad teammates, therefore he doesn't have a very good record is not really a valid argument. Another example could be the 00-01 Raptors, the second option was Antonio Davis, and their were 2 players scoring in double digits, AD and Vince, they won 47 games.

How good would the Pistons be without Chauncey Billups?
How good would the Lakers be without Kobe Bryant?

The Pistons go from a high 60 to 70 win team to a 45-47 win team.
The Lakers go from a 44 win team to a 27-30 win team.

Okay, and...

These guys aren't the Pistons, the starting point guard is a D-leaguer and the second best player on the team is virtually garbage in comparison to what he used to be.

...and Gilbert Arenas used to be a second round pick. Odom is not any worse than he used to be, he's more passive because he's playing with Kobe, and either way he was never a scorer. 15-9-6 is not considered bad numbers unless you're playing with Kobe, then you're "virtually garbage".

I think they'll win a few more than 44, but even if they don't a 10 win improvement purely based on the play of one player has to get a look. Who are the other candidates? Billups, Nash, LeBron etc... their teams are vastly superior to the Lakers so of course they're going to win. I don't think team records should take as much importance as some people want to put on it.

How about a 10 game improvement based on not being injured. The Lakers were something like 24-19 last season till injuries to both Odom and Kobe hit, and some other factors.

You need to win to get MVP, don't fool yourselves in thinking a player on a 7th seeded team is going to win MVP.