Worst Trades Ever?

by **streetballaz1** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:26 pm

wankster wrote:The worst trade ever was the Baron Davis trade

I think that was the one of the wost trade.
trading an allstar player to two shitty players(and new orleans waived dale davis after)
speddy claxton is not that bad but trading him to davis sucks!

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:52 pm

Weaver, no offense, but your list is terrible. The Shaq trade was as best as they could do. They tried to get Nowitzki, but Dallas wouldn't do it, they tried to get Dwyane Wade, but Miami wouldn't do it. That's the best they could have done. You're right about Tractor for Dirk. What's your problem with Vince for Jamison? I'm not sure what team you're even saying got ripped off in that one. TMAC for Franchise, Mobley and Cato definitley wasn't GREAT for Orlando, but they didn't have much else of a choice. Plus, you're only saying that because of Steve's recent troubles, but is Houston really much better off right now?

I was under the assumption that 'worst trades ever' would include, and indeed be mostly based upon, hindsight.
Using this advantage, then, you can see where I'm coming from. It doesn't matter if a certain trade was 'the best one could pull off' at the moment, but whether the reults of it benefit them or the opposing team, as we can judge the situation now. Vince for Jamison? Are you serious? If your team had traded Vince Carter for Antawn Jamison would you be happy, knowing what you know now? Just relate the situation to the Pacers as I do to the Warriors and you'll know where I'm coming from. Oh yeah, that trade was my 'homer' choice, for those who did not get it at first. :lol:

by **Matt** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:30 pm

I don't think the "Shaq" trade was THAT bad. I mean, Lakers trimmed the payroll a bit and sure they suck now but it's not like the Heat are winning championships. Heat were essentially forced to resign Shaq, and 20 mill aint bad, but that's over 5 yrs, and by then end of the contract chances are Shaq will not be demanding dbl teams.

by **John WB** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:50 pm

Jae wrote:If you use hindsight I think the Kobe trade has to be the worst... a serviceable C for a few years hardly compares with one of the best perimeter players of all time. Then again hindsight's a bitch.

Kobe hadn't even played one NBA game when the trade was made.

And same deal for Scottie. He didn't play one game for Seattle, so it's not like they'd know he'd become what he did.

D-Weaver wrote:If your team had traded Vince Carter for Antawn Jamison would you be happy, knowing what you know now?

But the whole idea is that no one knew Carter and Jamison'd become what they did.

It's just how things turned out.

Are the Bucks, Hawks, and Jazz stupid for not drafting Paul knowing what we know now? And all those ESPN analysts that put down Toronto Managment for drafting Charlie V look like idiots now.

by **J@3** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:04 pm

Kobe hadn't even played one NBA game when the trade was made.

And same deal for Scottie. He didn't play one game for Seattle, so it's not like they'd know he'd become what he did.

Well yeah.. that's the point I was making. I said hindsight two or three times.

Are the Bucks, Hawks, and Jazz stupid for not drafting Paul knowing what we know now?

Hawks yes. The Bucks didn't really need another PG at the time and Deron's good.

by **[L3]1101** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:37 pm

And all those ESPN analysts that put down Toronto Managment for drafting Charlie V look like idiots now.

thank you!!

I think the Carter for for 2 williams and 1 draft pick was pretty bad. We did get Joey Graham from it, but the 2 williams are useless, and they still have many years left on their contract. It'd be nice if we got Baron Davis out of that deal.

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:43 pm

But the whole idea is that no one knew Carter and Jamison'd become what they did.

It's just how things turned out.

I was under the assumption that 'worst trades ever' would include, and indeed be mostly based upon, hindsight.

by **cklitsie** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:49 pm

I think what JohnWB was trying to say was that with the Carter to NJ and Baron to GS trades, everyone knew what all the involved players could give you.
With the Carter-Jamison trade, they weren't established NBA players yet. Based on their college careers, I'd trade VC for Jamison in a heartbeat.

by **AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:52 pm

I think what JohnWB was trying to say was that with the Carter to NJ and Baron to GS trades, everyone knew what all the involved players could give you.

That's a good point, I'll take that. But whoever mentioned before that we should probably separate the 'player request-forced situation' trades from the rest of teh pack, was correct. It's a whole new ballgame, in my opinion. :!:

by **Num33Baller** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:16 pm

It may not be the worst in history, but the Chris Webber trade doens't make any sense to me. CWebb isn't in his prime, but Kenny Thomas & Corliss? At least the Raps got 1st round draft picks for VC...

If you look at thomas, hes filling in really well with Reef injured...

We also got skinner (who got like 5 blocks in 7 minutes one game). We were going to pick up Reef anyway, so no need for a Webber coming off of extensive knee surgery... and it was doubtful if he could even dunk again.

by **[L3]1101** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:33 pm

no one knew Shareef was going to the Kings. In fact no one knew where he was going. In the offseason, his initial pick was NJ.

I think Kenny Thomas is underrated, and undersized as well. Kenny Thomas is capable of 10 10 each game if given the minutes. It's a even better situation if you combine him and skinner. They don't come cheap though.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:07 pm

Off the top of my head:

Chamberlain to LA
Kareem to LA
Pippen to Houston for Roy Rogers and a second round pick
Utah's first round pick in 1979 to LA - it turned out to be first overall, and Magic Johnson
Barkley to Phoenix

by **maes** on Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:15 pm

This one requires a lot of hindsight, but Steve Nash for Pat Garrity and 2 unknown dudes (bubba wells?).

by **air gordon** on Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:26 pm

Parish and the pick that ended up as Mchale for Joe nobodies has to be the worst

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:24 pm

maes wrote:This one requires a lot of hindsight, but Steve Nash for Pat Garrity and 2 unknown dudes (bubba wells?).

Hey now, Bubba wells did make the record books.

by **kibaxx7** on Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:33 pm

Andrew wrote:Utah's first round pick in 1979 to LA - it turned out to be first overall, and Magic Johnson

by **John WB** on Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:58 pm

cklitsie wrote:I think what JohnWB was trying to say was that with the Carter to NJ and Baron to GS trades, everyone knew what all the involved players could give you.
With the Carter-Jamison trade, they weren't established NBA players yet. Based on their college careers, I'd trade VC for Jamison in a heartbeat.

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

by **Yougi** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:12 pm

Andrew wrote:
maes wrote:This one requires a lot of hindsight, but Steve Nash for Pat Garrity and 2 unknown dudes (bubba wells?).

Hey now, Bubba wells did make the record books.

Wells breaks 41-year NBA record

He holds the dubious distinction of being the player with the quickest disqualification in an NBA regular season game, when in a December 29, 1997 game against the Chicago Bulls, then-Mavericks coach Don Nelson employed a desperate tactic to try to win. He inserted Wells into the game with the express purpose of fouling power forward Dennis Rodman, a notoriously abysmal free-throw shooter, away from the ball. However, the plan failed when Rodman hit nine-of-twelve foul shots and Chicago went on to win the game 111 - 105. Wells fouled out late in the third quarter after registering his sixth personal foul in a total of three minutes playing time.

Not exactly something I would be proud of :roll:

The previous record-holder was Dick Harley of the Syracuse Nationals who was disqualified in five minutes on March 12, 1956.

by **Matthew** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:14 pm

Nobody mentioned the Dennis Rodman for Wil Perdue deal?

by **J@3** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:23 pm

Dennis Rodman for Will Perdue

Oh, hey Matthew. Didn't see your post there :lol:

by **Bruce** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:15 pm

haha, I don't think this counts...

Rodman is the mold from where all current problem childs of the nba come from... For the teams that could not handle him, they'd give him up for next to nothing... Will Perdue at that time was somehow serviceable as a 12th man ctr backup, garbage time whatever...

If anything, it was mutual respect bet mj and the worm that kept him useful in the 2nd 3-peat chicago team. At that point in the nba, I could not think of two more competitive players than mj and rodman... And mj was probably the only thing that kept rodman from early retirement...

by **Num33Baller** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:22 pm

[L3]1101 wrote:no one knew Shareef was going to the Kings. In fact no one knew where he was going. In the offseason, his initial pick was NJ.

I think Kenny Thomas is underrated, and undersized as well. Kenny Thomas is capable of 10 10 each game if given the minutes. It's a even better situation if you combine him and skinner. They don't come cheap though.

The kings knew they were going to get some PF during the offseason.

And yes, Kenny thomas is underrated...

undersized too... kinda like charles.

Personally I think he would fit in well at SF (except peja is there...)

I would like to see Bibby at PG, Peja at SG, thomas at SF, shareef at PF, and miller at C...

It would depend on how Peja could play SG though...

by **Yougi** on Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:56 pm

Do you imagine Peja guarding some SG?

Ok... Just like he could guard someone. I'm sure I can score on him!

by **kinokong** on Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:46 am

its not easy scoring on someone thats 6'9you know especially when he's nba material... half the defensive dimwits in the nba would probably be the best defender in the gym just because of their lengths....

by **Num33Baller** on Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:08 am

Yougi wrote:Do you imagine Peja guarding some SG?

Ok... Just like he could guard someone. I'm sure I can score on him!

A quick SG perhaps he would have problems with. But if the Kings ran a zone (which they have been doing a lot of this season).

But still... Hes 6'10 and has freakishly long arms (kinda like me).

He could easily play the drive and still contest the shot.

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