Early MIP Candidates
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by air gordon on Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:20 pm
don't be a pussycat, let's make a bet. you are the one lacking it below the waist if you can't back up your claim
add me on MSN and we can work it out
limpdilznik@hotmail.com
add me on MSN and we can work it out
limpdilznik@hotmail.com
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Scott Skiles answer to the question on how Eddy Curry can become a better rebounder
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by Jackal on Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:38 pm
air gordon wrote:don't be a pussycat, let's make a bet. you are the one lacking it below the waist if you can't back up your claim
add me on MSN and we can work it out
limpdilznik@hotmail.com
You think by using reverse psychology you'll get me to jump into bed with you? Piss off.
I won't be making any sorts of bet until I've collected on the last one I won. Till then, as I said, piss off.
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by Keo on Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:03 pm
I think Mehmet Okur should not be forgotten...
05-06 Stats: 18 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 2.5 APG
04-05 Stats: 13 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2 APG
He's basically been the Jazz's best player this year and shoots the 3-ball pretty well too.
05-06 Stats: 18 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 2.5 APG
04-05 Stats: 13 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2 APG
He's basically been the Jazz's best player this year and shoots the 3-ball pretty well too.
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by Buckley on Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:13 pm
West's numbers have looked amazing this year. It seems like he came out of nowhere and has as emerged as a good young player. Smush has also done very well, and I think his job in LAL saved his chances of playing full-time in the NBA.
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by air gordon on Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:43 pm
Jackal wrote:air gordon wrote:don't be a pussycat, let's make a bet. you are the one lacking it below the waist if you can't back up your claim
add me on MSN and we can work it out
limpdilznik@hotmail.com
I won't be making any sorts of bet until I've collected on the last one I won. Till then, as I said, piss off.
lol piss off? where's the holiday spirit?
lol this is supposed to be all in fun but I guess you can't understand that. i'm not using any Jedi mind tricks. I'm inviting you to a bet since you have foregone the discussion part of your picks. lol this isn't a visit to the dentist chair but ah well...
If you choose to decline, fine. Just don't give some lame excuse as to why you won't. It's pretty funny you are still bitter about some other bet. But hey that's your perogative. merry new year
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Scott Skiles answer to the question on how Eddy Curry can become a better rebounder
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by Rip32 on Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:08 pm
Indy im suprised you didnt put a a pacer up there, oh wait your already riding Jasikevicius's dick in the ROY and 6th man. My bad.
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by Matt on Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:09 pm
dare i say Chauncey Billups who has increased assists from 5.8 to 9.4 and ppg from 16.5 to 19.0 whilst decreasing his TO's from 2.24 to 1.96? All this in just about minute less PT than last season. Now that's actual improvement.
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by -BHZMAFIA- on Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:20 pm
Jackal wrote:Mafia, god you're annoying. Really, you are. I know Pau should be a cantidate, but you're just simply annoying.
Parker or Diaw will win it.
But Jona didn't so I had to explain thoroughly 
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by fgrep15 on Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:52 pm
Pau Gasol? The terms is most improved, not becoming less soft and gaining more muscle year by year. Gasol's passing has been nice this season, and his shot blocking and rebounding have gone slightly up more than just due to his minutes increase. That's not a MIP improvement, that's improvement young players should have.
Show the MPG stats, he already averaged 19 PPG and 2 BPG a few years ago when he got the minutes, and he has improved, but it's far from a drastic improvement, and definately not an MIP improvement.
Ricky Davis? Ricky averaged 20-5-5 in Cleveland. He could already do this before, it's not some new thing. He's just getting more minutes, more shots, and more playmaking duties because this season their's no Payton and no Walker.
Bosh? He averaged 20-9 after Carter left last season, we were kind of expecting 20-10 from him this season since he already showed he was capable of doing it. He has improved his post game a little, his FT shooting has improved, and his passing a little, he can handle double teams better and doesn't turn the ball over as much.
Larry Brown not being there has something to do with this. Faster paced offense, the PG has more reign and their are less restrictions on what the PG can do, no more leash. Look at how Marbury is down about 4 PPG and 2 APG this season under LB. Chauncey was this good before, he just wasn't allowed to show it.
Clearly a MPG improvement, but that's not excluded in MIP talk by most people. Even with that, I don't know if he's improved enough though. Thinking he would get the minutes last season, I predicted him as a 17 PPG, 9 RPG, 2-3 APG, 1.5 BPG guy, so I wasn't surprised at all since Sloan said a mistake he made last season was not playing him more. With Boozer and Kirilenko injured even more this season again, the shots were there for him.
MIP's
David West - Obviously their's the whole minutes part. As soon as Magloire left I picked him up on a few fantasy teams. His main improvement came in his jumpshot and shot, which was decent before, but he made good now, even has range up to three and is shooting 84% from the line. His offensive game improved this season, not much else in the improvement department for him outside of the MPG increase.
Boris Diaw - His shot improved, and really outside of that his confidence was what improved the most. The Euro championships helped with that, he led his team in PPG and APG and was up there in RPG. He shot 40%+from 3 [Fiba three], and played well overall. In addition to that playing on the Suns where the coach did not look at your weaknesses, but played you to your strengths helped a lot. Diaw came in as a 6'8 all-round PG/SG/SF who was a good defender. He's just showing more versatility due to his role on the team, and doing what he was supposed to be able to do. Playing C helped in increasing his rebound and blocks, and his assists increased because he has improved in that area, but also because he now has finishers and a system that allows you to be effective as a drive and dish passer.
Smush Parker - Went from not in the league to starting PG. Though he wouldn't be a starting PG on other teams that don't have a playmaker at both SG and SF, he works on the Lakers. He was supposed to be a shooter, and is finally showing that, and that's about all, just learnt to stay on an NBA court, really hasn't learnt PG skills.
PER 40 minute numbers
Boris Diaw
03-04: 07.1 PPG | 7.1 RPG | 3.8 APG | 1.23 SPG | 0.77 BPG | .476 TS%
04-05: 10.5 PPG | 5.7 RPG | 5.1 APG | 1.23 SPG | 0.59 BPG | .472 TS%
05-06: 14.2 PPG | 8.6 RPG | 7.5 APG | 0.94 SPG | 1.49 BPG | .531 TS%
David West
03-04: 11.6 PPG | 12.8 RPG | 2.4 APG | 1.19 BPG | .509 TS%
04-05: 13.5 PPG | 9.3 RPG | 1.7 APG | 1.15 BPG | .472 TS%
05-06: 18.5 PPG | 8.6 RPG | 1.6 APG | 0.94 BPG | .541 TS%
Smush Parker
04-05: 16 GP | 13.3 PPG | 4.0 APG | 1,38 SPG | 5.30 TPG | .485 TS%
05-06: 29 GP | 13.9 PPG | 3.5 APG | 2.07 SPG | 1.98 TPG | .553 TS%
Mehmet Okur
04-05: 18.4 PPG | 10.7 RPG | 2.8 APG | 1.18 BPG | .555 TS%
05-06: 20.2 PPG | 10.3 RPG | 2.7 APG | 1.02 BPG | .547 TS%
Pau Gasol [PER 40.7]
03-04: 22.9 PPG | 9.9 RPG | 3.2 APG | 2.2 BPG | 8.5 FTA/G | 17.4 FGA/G | .529 TS%
04-05: 22.6 PPG | 9.3 RPG | 3.1 APG | 2.2 BPG | 8.4 FTA/G | 15.8 FGA/G | .567 TS%
05-06: 20.4 PPG | 9.9 RPG | 4.3 APG | 2.4 BPG | 7.6 FTA/G | 15.5 FGA/G | .527 TS%
Chris Bosh
04-05: 18.1 PPG | 9.6 RPG | 2.0 APG | 1.01 SPG | 1.50 BPG | .533 TS%
05-06: 22.7 PPG | 9.7 RPG | 2.8 APG | 0.71 SPG | 1.05 BPG | .558 TS%
Ricky Davis
02-03: 20.8 PPG | 4.9 RPG | 5.6 APG | 1.60 SPG | 18.6 FGA/G | .478 TS%
04-05: 19.5 PPG | 3.6 RPG | 3.6 APG | 1.34 SPG | 15.4 FGA/G | .538 TS%
05-06: 19.8 PPG | 4.5 RPG | 5.0 APG | 1.38 SPG | 16.9 FGA/G | .523 TS%
Pau Gasol-
04-05: 17.8 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.6 bpg
05-06: 19.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 4.1 apg, 2.34 bpg
Show the MPG stats, he already averaged 19 PPG and 2 BPG a few years ago when he got the minutes, and he has improved, but it's far from a drastic improvement, and definately not an MIP improvement.
Ricky Davis? Ricky averaged 20-5-5 in Cleveland. He could already do this before, it's not some new thing. He's just getting more minutes, more shots, and more playmaking duties because this season their's no Payton and no Walker.
Bosh? He averaged 20-9 after Carter left last season, we were kind of expecting 20-10 from him this season since he already showed he was capable of doing it. He has improved his post game a little, his FT shooting has improved, and his passing a little, he can handle double teams better and doesn't turn the ball over as much.
dare i say Chauncey Billups who has increased assists from 5.8 to 9.4 and ppg from 16.5 to 19.0 whilst decreasing his TO's from 2.24 to 1.96? All this in just about minute less PT than last season. Now that's actual improvement.
Larry Brown not being there has something to do with this. Faster paced offense, the PG has more reign and their are less restrictions on what the PG can do, no more leash. Look at how Marbury is down about 4 PPG and 2 APG this season under LB. Chauncey was this good before, he just wasn't allowed to show it.
I think Mehmet Okur should not be forgotten...
05-06 Stats: 18 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 2.5 APG
04-05 Stats: 13 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2 APG
He's basically been the Jazz's best player this year and shoots the 3-ball pretty well too.
Clearly a MPG improvement, but that's not excluded in MIP talk by most people. Even with that, I don't know if he's improved enough though. Thinking he would get the minutes last season, I predicted him as a 17 PPG, 9 RPG, 2-3 APG, 1.5 BPG guy, so I wasn't surprised at all since Sloan said a mistake he made last season was not playing him more. With Boozer and Kirilenko injured even more this season again, the shots were there for him.
MIP's
David West - Obviously their's the whole minutes part. As soon as Magloire left I picked him up on a few fantasy teams. His main improvement came in his jumpshot and shot, which was decent before, but he made good now, even has range up to three and is shooting 84% from the line. His offensive game improved this season, not much else in the improvement department for him outside of the MPG increase.
Boris Diaw - His shot improved, and really outside of that his confidence was what improved the most. The Euro championships helped with that, he led his team in PPG and APG and was up there in RPG. He shot 40%+from 3 [Fiba three], and played well overall. In addition to that playing on the Suns where the coach did not look at your weaknesses, but played you to your strengths helped a lot. Diaw came in as a 6'8 all-round PG/SG/SF who was a good defender. He's just showing more versatility due to his role on the team, and doing what he was supposed to be able to do. Playing C helped in increasing his rebound and blocks, and his assists increased because he has improved in that area, but also because he now has finishers and a system that allows you to be effective as a drive and dish passer.
Smush Parker - Went from not in the league to starting PG. Though he wouldn't be a starting PG on other teams that don't have a playmaker at both SG and SF, he works on the Lakers. He was supposed to be a shooter, and is finally showing that, and that's about all, just learnt to stay on an NBA court, really hasn't learnt PG skills.
PER 40 minute numbers
Boris Diaw
03-04: 07.1 PPG | 7.1 RPG | 3.8 APG | 1.23 SPG | 0.77 BPG | .476 TS%
04-05: 10.5 PPG | 5.7 RPG | 5.1 APG | 1.23 SPG | 0.59 BPG | .472 TS%
05-06: 14.2 PPG | 8.6 RPG | 7.5 APG | 0.94 SPG | 1.49 BPG | .531 TS%
David West
03-04: 11.6 PPG | 12.8 RPG | 2.4 APG | 1.19 BPG | .509 TS%
04-05: 13.5 PPG | 9.3 RPG | 1.7 APG | 1.15 BPG | .472 TS%
05-06: 18.5 PPG | 8.6 RPG | 1.6 APG | 0.94 BPG | .541 TS%
Smush Parker
04-05: 16 GP | 13.3 PPG | 4.0 APG | 1,38 SPG | 5.30 TPG | .485 TS%
05-06: 29 GP | 13.9 PPG | 3.5 APG | 2.07 SPG | 1.98 TPG | .553 TS%
Mehmet Okur
04-05: 18.4 PPG | 10.7 RPG | 2.8 APG | 1.18 BPG | .555 TS%
05-06: 20.2 PPG | 10.3 RPG | 2.7 APG | 1.02 BPG | .547 TS%
Pau Gasol [PER 40.7]
03-04: 22.9 PPG | 9.9 RPG | 3.2 APG | 2.2 BPG | 8.5 FTA/G | 17.4 FGA/G | .529 TS%
04-05: 22.6 PPG | 9.3 RPG | 3.1 APG | 2.2 BPG | 8.4 FTA/G | 15.8 FGA/G | .567 TS%
05-06: 20.4 PPG | 9.9 RPG | 4.3 APG | 2.4 BPG | 7.6 FTA/G | 15.5 FGA/G | .527 TS%
Chris Bosh
04-05: 18.1 PPG | 9.6 RPG | 2.0 APG | 1.01 SPG | 1.50 BPG | .533 TS%
05-06: 22.7 PPG | 9.7 RPG | 2.8 APG | 0.71 SPG | 1.05 BPG | .558 TS%
Ricky Davis
02-03: 20.8 PPG | 4.9 RPG | 5.6 APG | 1.60 SPG | 18.6 FGA/G | .478 TS%
04-05: 19.5 PPG | 3.6 RPG | 3.6 APG | 1.34 SPG | 15.4 FGA/G | .538 TS%
05-06: 19.8 PPG | 4.5 RPG | 5.0 APG | 1.38 SPG | 16.9 FGA/G | .523 TS%
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by alexboom on Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:41 pm
Boris Diaw - he was expected to have better stats in Phoenix, but up to that point it's a big surprise 
Tony Parker also deserves a bunch of votes
1 - Boris Diaw
2 - David West
3 - Smush Parker
4 - Mehmet Okur
5 - Tony Parker
Tony Parker also deserves a bunch of votes
1 - Boris Diaw
2 - David West
3 - Smush Parker
4 - Mehmet Okur
5 - Tony Parker
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by Matt on Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:23 pm
Larry Brown not being there has something to do with this. Faster paced offense, the PG has more reign and their are less restrictions on what the PG can do, no more leash. Look at how Marbury is down about 4 PPG and 2 APG this season under LB. Chauncey was this good before, he just wasn't allowed to show it.
i know, but this is how Steve Nash won MVP last season. Nash was the same guy as in Dallas, it's just that the system in Phx suited him perfectly.
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