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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:38 am

Trade KG? Forget about it, Taylor says
Steve Aschburner, Star Tribune
November 23, 2005


OKLAHOMA CITY — The Timberwolves are not going to trade Kevin Garnett.

Not this week, not this month, not this season.

Not now and, if it were entirely up to Wolves owner Glen Taylor, not ever.

“I have no plans on trading him at least through this contact,’’ Taylor said in a phone interview Tuesday. “I’d like to say through life. But I’ll just say through this contract, because then there are things you can’t always control.’’

Garnett, the Wolves’ eight-time NBA All-Star, is signed through the 2008-09 season.

At the risk of spoiling Internet fun nationwide, sapping content from sports talk radio shows and forcing NBA columnists to mix in a few facts, Taylor felt it was worthwhile to state definitively that Garnett — the primary reason to pay attention to the Wolves for the past decade — would continue to play in Minnesota.

Garnett’s TNT interview last week, studio analyst Charles Barkley’s comments afterward (“They need to trade him’’) and the Wolves’ presumed drop from contender to playoff hopeful immediately sparked rumors that talks to deal the 2004 MVP winner were ongoing and serious.

Speculation swirled in newspapers and on websites that Detroit, New York, New Jersey and Golden State, among others, had discussed potential deals for the Wolves’ franchise player.

“I don’t think anybody has called us,’’ Taylor said. “I should say, I’m not aware of any actual team calling us. We’ve gotten lots of calls from media.’’

And the Wolves, through vice president of basketball operations Kevin McHale, general manager Jim Stack or anyone else, have placed no calls dangling Garnett? “Absolutely not,’’ the owner said.

Taylor repeated his comment from Thursday, when an irritated Garnett spoke to TNT’s Cheryl Miller about the Wolves’ failed ambitions last season, that the player never has asked to be traded.

“Kevin gets frustrated,’’ Taylor said. “But in the long run, he says, 'No, I anticipate being here. We’re going to work things out through the long run.’ … The fans hear rumors and get nervous, and even Kevin gets nervous. But no one has to worry.’’

As for the notion that Taylor might soon trade Garnett so the 7-footer can win an NBA championship somewhere else, the owner said: “I’m more likely to spend the money it takes to get it here.’’ At about $61 million this season, down from $71 million in 2004-05, the Wolves have dropped from the league’s top five in payroll to No. 15.

Taylor also noted the difficulty of getting fair value for a highly compensated star; Garnett, after this season, is due $66 million over the final three years of his deal. Good teams, Taylor said, are capped out and would have to give up valuable players in return. “And Kevin wouldn’t want to go to the bad teams,’’ he said.

Before hanging up, in case anyone missed it, Taylor said one more time: “I can tell you, definitely, we are not trading KG.’’


I don't understand the internet and TV rumors going around that Garnett will be traded. Why would he be traded? The team doesn't want to trade him and Garnett doesn't want to be traded. That doesn't sound like a recipe of a trade to me, does it?

A lot of Minnesota fans have been under attack on message boards during the past week or so. The Garnett rumors are picking up steam and that's when Glen Taylor (Timberwolves owner) decided to speak out about the Garnett rumors. I think this article should get as much press as the "un-named sources" trade rumors. ESPN.com even had Garnett up there going to the Knicks. What the hell? Fans are foaming at the mouth for Garnett and an article like this would just spoil their fun.

Oh well, enjoy.
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Postby Fenix on Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:59 am

Garnett will be traded if the Wolves are going to suck for a longer period of time. They sucked last year, they suck this year, ergo - there's a big chance Garnett is going to be traded. That's the logic. And if you sincerely believe that you can believe what the owners and GMs are saying, you're utterly insane.
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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:06 am

VanK wrote:Garnett will be traded if the Wolves are going to suck for a longer period of time. They sucked last year, they suck this year, ergo - there's a big chance Garnett is going to be traded. That's the logic. And if you sincerely believe that you can believe what the owners and GMs are saying, you're utterly insane.



They suck this year? We have a new coach who hasn't even installed his whole offense and scheme yet we are still .5 games back from the division lead. We have a top 10 defense in the league. How does this team "suck"?

I do sincerely believe that I can trust Glen Taylor because he has been right for 10 years. He saved Minnesota basketball. He and Garnett are very close. Where are all these Garnett rumors coming from? Internet message boards and "un-named sources". I trust Taylor, McHale and Garnett a lot more than I trust those sources, if you even want to call them that.

Garnett doesn't want to be traded. Taylor doesn't want to deal Garnett. If you combine the two then you realize that a trade will not happen.
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Postby Fenix on Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:38 am

Oh, sorry, You gotta respect a top 10 D in the league. I didn't know KG considers a team which isn't even a borderline playoff team for a 'succes'. And even if they do make the playoffs, they'll be like a first round cannon fodder. Once again I apologize. It is now clear to me that KG wants to retire without a ring.
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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:13 am

VanK wrote:Oh, sorry, You gotta respect a top 10 D in the league. I didn't know KG considers a team which isn't even a borderline playoff team for a 'succes'. And even if they do make the playoffs, they'll be like a first round cannon fodder. Once again I apologize. It is now clear to me that KG wants to retire without a ring.


He'll win a ring in Minnesota before his career is over. The team is building around him again and hopefully McHale can get some help in here for Garnett. However, Garnett has said that he is very excited about this team and he thinks Casey has the team going in the right direction. That doesn't sound like a guy who is upset with the team.

Garnett is in no way, shape or form upset with the team. He is frustrated. He has been frustrated many times before this, as well. But for 10 years he has been in a Timberwolves uniform through thick and thin and this is no different. Like always, he has faith in the organization to build around him. Is his patience running out? Probably. But so is Glen Taylor's, Kevin McHale's and the fan's patience. It's really not anything knew.

A top 10 defense in the league is pretty darn good. Casey has this defense playing extremely well. The team's problem is really on the offensive end where they struggle to score over 90 points. But I think that will come with time simply because Casey is putting in a new offense and he still has over half of his offense to install. He's taking the team slow.

Calling the team a first round exit waiting the happen is a little premature and ignorant. You don't know who will be healthy, who will be playing who and what not. The Timberwolves took the Kobe and Shaq LA Lakers to 6 games 3 years ago with Wally Szczerbiak, Troy Hudson and Rasho Nesterovic alongside Garnett.

But to each his own.
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Postby magius on Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:58 am

I don't understand the internet and TV rumors going around that Garnett will be traded. Why would he be traded? The team doesn't want to trade him and Garnett doesn't want to be traded. That doesn't sound like a recipe of a trade to me, does it?

you don't understand how the media works? this is how they make money, this is how they garner interest in the game.... case and point, its getting minny fans worked up, its getting nba fans worked up, it doesnt matter better or worse, talk is talk, and publicity is publicity. whenever a superstar is going even through a hint of adversity they will be on it like a teenage boy on jessica alba. garnett went shopping yesterday at a bookstore, and an unknown source told us he was browsing a self hope row, specifically the marriage section which just happened to be right next to the self idientity section; obviously he is cheating on his wife with a man and will inevitably have to buy her a big diamond ring or divorce her and move to canada to get married with his gay lover, herego he's getting traded to toronto.... obviously. duh. pure tabloid fodder, thats all it is until it happens. sometimes its true, sometimes it isnt, i mean brad and jen were breaking up every day for the duration of their marraige, thats just smart business right there - the average hollywood marriage lasts, what, 2 months, odds are its bound to happen eventually. if the medias wrong, no harm, no foul, the fact is we only know they're wrong because we're buying or watching the stupid thing, if they're right they air a one hour special with 7 minute commercials. the average nba player gets traded at least once in their career, do the math, garnett team doing average for what looks like 2 straight years = garnett trade rumors ever day. deal with it. they don't have anything else to talk about so it may get even worse.

don't think minny will win anything until they get another viable true all star.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:02 pm

Even though you have to take pretty much everything with a grain of salt when it comes to rumours and promises alike in the world of sports, I'm inclined to believe KG isn't going anywhere. His stock is still sky-high, I can't see the Timberwolves making a deal that will greatly disadvantage them (ie not getting a bonafide star in return). Likewise, none of the rumours seem to carry any weight.

It's just that the current trend for stars is to demand a trade when things get a little rough, so it's easy to speculate KG "must" want out of Minnesota.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:58 pm

i'll use the strawman's argument of shaq being traded, so anyone can be traded :twisted:

unless it's a 1 top tier star for him, the team that trades for him may not be better then minny after the trade since they'll have to give up prospects + enough salaries just to match KG's huge contract
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Postby Matt on Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:43 pm

let's see....i've heard Rasheed & Darko for Garnett, and J'Oneal and Tinsley for Garnett.
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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:54 pm

Matt wrote:let's see....i've heard Rasheed & Darko for Garnett, and J'Oneal and Tinsley for Garnett.


What about Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy, Ike Dioug (spell?) + more for Garnett? Or Penny Hardaway and Antoino Davis for Garnett and Szczerbiak? Or what about Odom and Bynum for Garnett?

I could go on and on. I've heard practically every combination possible for Garnett in the past 2 years.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:06 pm

haha riot, relax

how about Tim Thomas, deng, duhon, 1st pick for KG? that's very good one
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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:02 pm

HOW CAN I RELAX WHEN MY WHOLE WORLD COULD COME CRASHING DOWN ON ME!?!?!??!?!


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Postby Riot on Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:08 pm

OKLAHOMA CITY -- One day after Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor stated definitively that he has no intention of trading Kevin Garnett, now or possibly ever, Garnett checked in to say he wants to stay.

"I'm Minnesota," the Wolves' All-Star forward said. "The Target Center ... that's the Garnett Center!"

Garnett has said similar things, repeatedly, for a half-dozen years -- but it still was necessary housekeeping after his edgy TNT interview last week in which he was critical of management for the team's competitive flop last season. Those comments prompted TNT studio analyst Charles Barkley to call for Garnett to be traded and those comments sparked a flurry of media rumors about alleged deals.

That's what Taylor shot down Tuesday and that's what Garnett also dismissed Wednesday. He also reflected on one of his first stops in Minnesota, when he already was thinking long-term.

"I'll never forget being in the Target Center by myself one day, looking up, saying to myself, 'One day I want to own this city. I want to be a player these people are proud of,' " Garnett said.

Garnett also said he has no issues with Kevin McHale. In the TNT interview, he was critical of McHale's decision to coach the Wolves after firing Flip Saunders in February, alleging that the team's vice president of basketball operations didn't really want the responsibility of coaching. But a critical remark apparently is not a fractured relationship.

"Kevin McHale is great for me, man. It's just some of the summer things I had dislikes with, but me and Kevin McHale, we have a great open relationship," Garnett said. "We communicate. If I don't like something, he knows it. If he don't like something, he definitely lets me know it."

The Wolves and Bucks split two games in the preseason, but neither team had made its final cuts then and the Bucks still hadn't acquired center Jamaal Magloire from the Hornets.
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Postby Matt on Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:12 pm

i kept help but imagine the terror caused by a Garnett & Ben Wallace duo.
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Postby Stevesanity on Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:06 pm

Riot wrote:HOW CAN I RELAX WHEN MY WHOLE WORLD COULD COME CRASHING DOWN ON ME!?!?!??!?!


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Postby Laxation on Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:57 pm

Matt wrote:i kept help but imagine the terror caused by a Garnett & Ben Wallace duo.


:shock: :shock: :shock: that would be insane...
except then darko would be gay cos hes in wolves lol.. :wink:

i think all these rumours really gained some momentum because of the interview kg did on tnt. even though it wasnt that bad at all, apparently he has never said anything like it before, so all of a sudden he is demanding to be traded...
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Postby maes on Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:53 pm

Well after that loss to the Hornets, i can see why people are spreading trade rumors.

Hornets shoot 36%, 15% from the 3 point line, and they still win.

All 4 Minny starters except KG combined:
27 Points 3 assists 19 rebounds 7 TOs

David West by himself:
22 Points 3 assists 13 rebounds 2 TOs

I find it funny that Chris Paul outrebounded Olowokandi 9-8.
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Postby Jugs on Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:43 pm

that's because David West and CP3 are the ultimate pwns

the new shaq and kobe

that's why Minny lost


(j/k bout the shaq and kobe)
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Postby Metsis on Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:58 pm

Minnesota is losing because of some bad decisions in the past... They signed Olowokandi to start with... He ain't what I thought he could be... He's just plain bad and clueless on the court...

Sczerbiak and Hudson have seen action in 15 games combined for the last three seasons... So these guys being healthy is another big deal that they have to cope with...

They've basically never had more than KG on the team... And a bunch of guys who should be playing NBDL... When Spree and Cassell weren't distracted that one year, then they had a shot, but with no one else, it died without any good results... And imploded last spring...

In short... Minnesota has a lot of work to do before they can get competetive again... They need to move Olowokandi, Wally and Hudson for more durable players and that aren't clueless on the court...

They've got some good young guys there... And should look into bolstering a their inside defense... Graig Ostertag would be a good fit for them on defense... He can block and rebound and we all know that you don't need other inside threats on offense besides KG... Rasho was a pretty good guy next to KG, but too inconsistent.

I don't know... I do know that they have their work cut out for them... And really should get at it sooner rather than later.
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Postby Riot on Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:28 am

Metsis wrote:Minnesota is losing because of some bad decisions in the past... They signed Olowokandi to start with... He ain't what I thought he could be... He's just plain bad and clueless on the court...


Olowokandi has been our 2nd or 3rd best player this year. He has been very productive so far. Who knows if he will keep it up.

Sczerbiak and Hudson have seen action in 15 games combined for the last three seasons... So these guys being healthy is another big deal that they have to cope with...


Szczerbiak and Hudson have combined for only 15 games in the past 3 seasons? Where did you pull that stat out of? Hudson in the past 3 seasons has played 187 games. Wally in the past 3 seasons has played 161 games.

They've basically never had more than KG on the team... And a bunch of guys who should be playing NBDL... When Spree and Cassell weren't distracted that one year, then they had a shot, but with no one else, it died without any good results... And imploded last spring...


The team has more than just NBDL players. But they are mostly role players or underachieving players. The team needs to make a move but they aren't really that far away from being a contender. Whenever you have Garnett you aren't that far away.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:14 am

air gordon wrote:i'll use the strawman's argument of shaq being traded, so anyone can be traded :twisted:


I know, I know. ;) I know it's possible, I just don't think it's likely at the moment.
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Postby air gordon on Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:48 am

Olowokandi has been our 2nd or 3rd best player this year. He has been very productive so far. Who knows if he will keep it up.

it's crazy but you got to give the crackhead some credit for playing well

But they are mostly role players

i think the term "role player" is misused. to begin with, everyone on the court has a role to play


I know, I know. Wink I know it's possible, I just don't think it's likely at the moment.

neither do i but if others can dream, why can't bulls fans :proud:
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Postby maes on Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:03 am

Is McHale liked by Minny fans? Maybe it's the management.

Replacing GM Jerry Krause with Paxson did more than any single player trade could have for the Bulls.
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Postby Riot on Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:37 am

Minnesota fans hate Kevin McFail with a passion. They have wanted him gone for a long time.

But the owner (Glen Taylor) has loyalty to him. The whole Minnesota franchise is loyal to one another (KG, Taylor, McHale, Flip). That's why Flip being fired was such a shocker, we thought that was a very dark move.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:09 pm

air gordon wrote:neither do i but if others can dream, why can't bulls fans :proud:


Well, when you put it like that... ;)
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