Bogut-Watch

[j.23]

"History shows that overall, No. 1 draft picks don't necessarily lead teams to playoffs," Stotts said. "As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite."

weird, that is so blatantly obvious yet i haven't really thought about it until now. good move though by the bucks, i think it'll be more beneficial to bogut having him watch and learn for now. i can see the dude starting by around january.

[Fenix]

You don't know what you're talking about. Bogut does have a better vertical than Okafor, but Emeka is a much, much quicker jumper, which is what counts in the game of basketball. Plus, he had a terrible result on his lateral quickness test, which tells you that he'll have trouble guarding smaller, quicker players - or quicker players of his size.

Ah you're an idiot, lets continue.

Andrew Bogut Lane Agility: 12.06 seconds
Emeka Okafor Lane Agility: 12.32 seconds

So how much trouble does Okafor have guarding smaller, quicker players

His lack of athleticism (vertically)

Andrew Bogut Vertical Leap: 33 1/2"
Emeka Okafor Veritcal Leap: 34"

Jonathan Givony: Looking at your combine results…on first glance I actually thought you did fine. Your vertical leap is only a half an inch less than Emeka Okafor’s, and your lane agility time is much better.

Congratulations though on being another mindless drone that refuses to actually research and just pulls something random out of their ass based on a generalisation of someone they read in a Bill Simmons article.

One of my points was (which you ignored), that you can't measure athleticism with numbers. If you could do so, Bogut wouldn't be much worse leaper than guys like J.R. Smith and Iguodala. Run&jump athleticism, quickness and power of your jump is what counts on the court. Now, if you had seen Bogut and Okafor play, you can't really deny that Bogut is inferior athleticism-wise. It's not about him being white, he just can't fucking jump or run, god dammit! No matter what the test tell you, he just isn't good at it.

[J@3]

It's not about him being white, he just can't fucking jump or run, god dammit! No matter what the test tell you, he just isn't good at it.

Are you fucking retarded do you think if he couldn't "fucking jump or run, god dammit!" he would've been taken #1? Moron.

[Fenix]

HE ISN'T GOOD AT IT. He was taken #1 because of his skills, not because he would be psychicaly impressive. I'm not saying that he's Divac, but you can't say he's as athletic as Okafor is if you had seen them in real game scenarios. Fuck, I quit. Andrew Bogut is an athletic freak who can masturbate and gather pennies from the top of the board at the same time. He will lead Bucks to the title while playing point guard and average quadrouple double for the whole season. He'll get himself into menage a trois with Jessica Alba and Keira Knightley. FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' SWOOPES. He had a better vertical result than Taft and Villaneua who had been labeled as athletic freaks. Do you really believe people call Bogut averagely athletic, because he's white? So you're taking results from the ESPN Insider. Let's look what Ford (BTW, he's a joke, but he can be usefull to some extent):

LOSERS

Andrew Bogut -- He's been trying to dispel the "great white stiff" myth for the past few weeks. This doesn't help. While his vertical leap is actually above average for a guy his size, his lateral quickness and sprinting speed were just awful. That will hurt him defensively.

He's not a stiff. I don't care what Ford says. But he doesn't have that explosivness to be called athletic. Once again: he is a skilled 7 footer. That's why he was #1 pick.

[J@3]

I didn't read your first bit because it's random illiterate rubbish, but as far as your second thing... you don't need to be "explosive" to be called athletic I don't know of many marathon runners that are "explosive", so I'm guessing they're not athletic either.

[Fenix]

I didn't read your first bit because it's random illiterate rubbish, but as far as your second thing... you don't need to be "explosive" to be called athletic I don't know of many marathon runners that are "explosive", so I'm guessing they're not athletic either.

. I'm betting GMs around the league are kicking themselves for not drafting Evans Rutto when he was still eligible. I mean, he's THE MF of long distance running - ergo, his athleticism is off the charts. I bet he can outquick Iverson, outjump Amare and outpower Shaq. Gut kombiniert, Sherlock.

Seriously, you can't measure basketball athleticism with some random tests. You can train for these tests (just look at Luke Jackson's results) and win them all, if you have enough will and psychical talent, but that doesn't mean that those results will translate onto the court in the way you think they will.

[Jugs]

He will lead Bucks to the title while playing point guard and average quadrouple double for the whole season

Recognize, that's my prediction

[J@3]

I'm betting GMs around the league are kicking themselves for not drafting Evans Rutto when he was still eligible. I mean, he's THE MF of long distance running - ergo, his athleticism is off the charts. I bet he can outquick Iverson, outjump Amare and outpower Shaq. Gut kombiniert, Sherlock.

Seriously, you can't measure basketball athleticism with some random tests. You can train for these tests (just look at Luke Jackson's results) and win them all, if you have enough will and psychical talent, but that doesn't mean that those results will translate onto the court in the way you think they will.

It's like arguing with an ignorant, self obsessed brick wall. Go take some measurements or something, for all our sakes.

[shadowgrin]

but you can't say he's (Bogut) as athletic as Okafor

I'm not that impressed with Okafor's athleticism either. Okafor does have the moves though.
Maybe seeing Bogut play against Bosh might give me an idea of his athleticism.

[Laxation]

I'm betting GMs around the league are kicking themselves for not drafting Evans Rutto when he was still eligible. I mean, he's THE MF of long distance running - ergo, his athleticism is off the charts. I bet he can outquick Iverson, outjump Amare and outpower Shaq. Gut kombiniert, Sherlock.

Seriously, you can't measure basketball athleticism with some random tests. You can train for these tests (just look at Luke Jackson's results) and win them all, if you have enough will and psychical talent, but that doesn't mean that those results will translate onto the court in the way you think they will.

It's like arguing with an ignorant, self obsessed brick wall. Go take some measurements or something, for all our sakes.

owned

[air gordon]

but you can't say he's (Bogut) as athletic as Okafor

I'm not that impressed with Okafor's athleticism either. Okafor does have the moves though.
Maybe seeing Bogut play against Bosh might give me an idea of his athleticism.

dude i don't know about that. go to charlie villanueva's site and download the season highlights

[Laxation]

"History shows that overall, No. 1 draft picks don't necessarily lead teams to playoffs," Stotts said. "As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite."

weird, that is so blatantly obvious yet i haven't really thought about it until now. good move though by the bucks, i think it'll be more beneficial to bogut having him watch and learn for now. i can see the dude starting by around january.

obviously it doesnt mean they get a spot in the playoffs...
they didnt get the #1 pick because they were doing well in the season before...

[cyanide]

Bogut is expected to start in the season opener, but that's not exactly good news:

"We probably will start Andrew," Bucks coach Terry Stotts told the Journal-Sentinel on Monday. "There's a possibility of starting Toni [Kukoc]."

Ouch.

[J@3]

I think Andrew's starting, he's got 6 points/7 rebounds in 20 minutes so far against Philadelphia. Completely outplaying Jamaal Magloire.

[Doobie]

too bad iggy dunked on him

[J@3]

Awell, I guess his career is over now.

[Doobie]

damn , Bogut's on his way to a double double .

[J@3]

I think he'll probably finish with 8/8

[J@3]

10/9 He has 4 offensive rebounds.

[air gordon]

thanks for the exclusive update

[Doobie]

Bucks won it too . TJ had a monster game!!

[J@3]

:lol: thanks for the exclusive update

Well, it is called Bogut Watch.

Finished with 13/9, got fouled on a layup and made the FT to put the game out of reach for Philadelphia

Edit: Also 3 blocks.

[dada]

that would be decent season stats for him.

[The X]

did he guard Webber because if so, Webber dropped 32, 14 & 5 on 14/28 shooting from the field....

it's good to see TJ back though....he's the biggest difference in this team, he was only 1 board shy of a triple double Bobby Simmons was good too

[J@3]

I'd say Magloire would've had Webber, I haven't seen any mention of Bogut guarding him.