Carmelo Worth MAX?

by **Jay-Peso** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:18 am

I voted no because Carmelo has really done nothing for me entertainment wise. He's just not a type of player that I like to watch.

by **putodelagoa** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:23 am

I'd reserve that kind of money for Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, KG, Duncan and Amare. Tmac too I guess.

Guess you kept Shaq out of that list due to a momentarily mind lapse :wink:

I would add to the max-deserving list Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal. Nowitzky doesn't quite make it, IMO. I guess Paying Wade and LbJ the max wouldn't be a headscratcher, either.

by **Fenix** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:23 am

Matthew wrote:
Matt wrote:No way. he hasn't shown any signs of leadership or defense.

No of course not, its not like he's led his team to the playoffs in the west in back to back seasons. No leadership whatsoever .

Could you please explain to us what has that to do with his leadership skills? It isn't like he was a leader of that team. Was he even a team captain?

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:49 am

Yes.
Cambyman is eventually going to breakdown (I still think he's bound for a major injury). K-Mart is a choker and doesn't get enough rebs. Andre Miller isn't exactly a great player.
What's left is Melo to carry the franchise. He'll eventually do it.

by **cyanide** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:10 am

James wrote:I voted no because Carmelo has really done nothing for me entertainment wise. He's just not a type of player that I like to watch.

If you're gonna base it on entertainment, then in theory Carmello's going to get that contract extension, considering how big of a fan base he has.

by **Jay-Peso** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:30 am

cyanide wrote:
James wrote:I voted no because Carmelo has really done nothing for me entertainment wise. He's just not a type of player that I like to watch.

If you're gonna base it on entertainment, then in theory Carmello's going to get that contract extension, considering how big of a fan base he has.

When I say entertainment, I'm talking about my opinion of watching him. I'm saying I don't like his game, and it's not enjoyable for me to watch.

But you're right, he does have a large fan base. I was just saying in my point of view, I don't like to watch him.

by **Matthew** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:01 am

putodelagoa wrote:
I'd reserve that kind of money for Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, KG, Duncan and Amare. Tmac too I guess.

Guess you kept Shaq out of that list due to a momentarily mind lapse

I would add to the max-deserving list Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal. Nowitzky doesn't quite make it, IMO. I guess Paying Wade and LbJ the max wouldn't be a headscratcher, either.

I wouldnt pay Shaq the max at this stage of his career. Jermaine either.. althought they do deserve alot. I have Lebron in my list.. and wade I spose he does deserve it after last season.

by **putodelagoa** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:24 am

I wouldnt pay Shaq the max at this stage of his career

Why not? He's still the best center out there (Unless you consider Duncan), guaranteed 20 and 10 and I would rather pay a center for that kind of production than any other position on the floor. I believe having a guy like him offers a better guarantee of advancing in postseason than any of the others (except Duncan...).
For the short term I think he's worth it, but since centers age in dog years, I think Miami would better win a title within 2 years, because after that... (N)

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:48 am

since centers age in dog years, I think Miami would better win a title within 2 years, because after that...

I thought centers tended to be more consistent when they reached older age than guards because they would bang inside instead of relying on quickness and speed.

I don't think this is the case for Shaq though. He hasn't been the most healthiest guy in the planet, even in his prime. I'd think that Shaq has one or two more years of averaging 20-10 before a slight drop off in ability.

by **putodelagoa** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:58 am

I thought centers tended to be more consistent when they reached older age than guards because they would bang inside instead of relying on quickness and speed.

That's a good point. They remain usefull, at least because they don't shrink with age.But I meant that the decline is very steep when compared to other positions. You'll be an all star at 34, a liability at 35 and a big body with bad knees at 36.
Remember Hakeem? In 1997 he was still great and then started to fade away so fast that tears would come to your face. When I last watched him, during the Toronto stint his legendary agility was long gone.

by **1CenT** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:40 am

Yes he is... I watched him in preseason.. heavily improved ..
he has post up and power moves going for him.. and hes aggressive to the hoop.. improved jump shot.. big rebounder now.. not a good creator tho. his defence is fine..

i can see him being a 24 point, 7 boards, 2 assists guy... i am imagining he will improve his ball handling and passing skills in years to come .. then he will be paul pierce level ( which i htink is a great defender, scorer and he passes the ball pretty well , but just not as athletic and explosive and tmac/kobe)

by **Anthony15** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:41 am

Heck yeah he deserves it. If it wasn't for him, who would have led the Nuggets to 2 playoff appearances? Miller or Martin? I agree he isn't that good on odefense, but give him some time, and he'll develop to a solid NBA Star. Under Karl's guidance he'll improve his defense, and we already saw him not taking stupid shots like he did with Bzdelik.

by **dada** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:49 am

based on the fact that there are some players out there who got the max who arent as talented, i would say he deserves it. i would be a grumpy guy in denver if i saw joe johnson getting the max in atlanta and im not gettin that in denver. Carmelo's team has enjoyed more succes than that of Lebron James (based on playoffs) and i am sure everyone would say lebron deserves the max (even i would and i am not that big a lebron fan). regardless, i feel he has drastically improved his jump shot, work ethic, and is sold on Georgy Porgy. Have you been watching the real training camps on nba tv? Hes looking better physically, improved his first step, and has fine tuned his offensive moved to a point where they are more effective in the flow of the game. i think he deserves it, and would be surprised if he didnt get it.

by **Carmo** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:15 pm

If people like Michael Redd get max contracts then I think that Carmello deserves one too. The only reason I think he deserves it is because people who are not as good as him have one though. He gets pretty nice numbers (and they're bound to rise) however I don't think his numbers are that good, but under George Karl Carmello does seem to make his teammates better.

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:41 pm

Heck yeah he deserves it. If it wasn't for him, who would have led the Nuggets to 2 playoff appearances?

So I guess a healthy Marcus Camby, additions of Boykins, Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard also had nothing to with the playoff runs? Carmelo Anthony did his part in helping the Nuggets into the playoffs, but without those players then they'd still be a lottery team for sure.

by **Anthony15** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:05 pm

Its_asdf wrote:
Heck yeah he deserves it. If it wasn't for him, who would have led the Nuggets to 2 playoff appearances?

So I guess a healthy Marcus Camby, additions of Boykins, Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard also had nothing to with the playoff runs? Carmelo Anthony did his part in helping the Nuggets into the playoffs, but without those players then they'd still be a lottery team for sure.

well yea, they did their part, too. But the biggest contributor who LED them to the playoffs was him.

by **Scotty** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:16 pm

Quote:

I wouldnt pay Shaq the max at this stage of his career

Why not? He's still the best center out there

I think Yao has passed Shaq 8-)

Its_asdf wrote:
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Heck yeah he deserves it. If it wasn't for him, who would have led the Nuggets to 2 playoff appearances?

So I guess a healthy Marcus Camby, additions of Boykins, Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard also had nothing to with the playoff runs? Carmelo Anthony did his part in helping the Nuggets into the playoffs, but without those players then they'd still be a lottery team for sure.

well yea, they did their part, too. But the biggest contributor who LED them to the playoffs was him.

Denver didn't make the playoffs the year before when Carmelo wasn't a gun. Now he is a gun and they made it :roll:

by **Matt** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:30 pm

When I last watched him, during the Toronto stint his legendary agility was long gone.

Yeah, but he still had that Dream Shake and he used his smarts to school players.

Back on topic

Carmelo doesn't deserve the max. Just because Redd and JJ got it, doesn't mean they deserve it either...they just managed to suck their teams into that kind of a deal.

Just because you got your team to the playoffs doesn't mean your a leader. I'm pretty sure the talent around him had A LOT to do with that. I'm sure George Karl had a lot to do with that too.

by **air gordon** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:57 pm

Matthew wrote:I'd reserve that kind of money for Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, KG, Duncan and Amare. Tmac too I guess.

add shaq, subtract tmac, lebron & bryant and that's a list i can agree on.

maybe if a certain few players can get their team in the playoffs or get them past the first round, or not choke in the postseason, you can expand the list

people keep on mentioning if joe johnson got the max.. or if foyle got whatever he got, then surely "x" player derserves it. but that doesn't matter.

market value is determined in the offseason that "x" player is a FA and goes accodring to the 1st big signing in that offseason.

by **Laxation** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:32 pm

he isnt worth max - he isnt that good, its just his name that is worth max. his name is definately alot more enticing than his play...

know whu im sayin dawg...

by **Blue Nugget** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:35 pm

DoobieKnicks wrote:Only A Gerald Green Handful are worth then.

lmfao that's evil

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:51 pm

I'd say yes by the current standard, certainly moreso than some of the other players who have scored such deals. But if we're to use a more sensible standard and reserve max deals for the top tier players who truly deserve them, then no, Melo isn't a max player just yet.

by **Its_asdf** on Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:44 am

Denver didn't make the playoffs the year before when Carmelo wasn't a gun. Now he is a gun and they made it

huh? I don't get it. Denver made the playoffs during Carmelo's rookie season.

Get your facts straight.

well yea, they did their part, too. But the biggest contributor who LED them to the playoffs was him.

It's the other way around. Carmelo doesn't make his team better; it's his team mates that make him better.

by **1CenT** on Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:46 am

Sometimes.. how popular of a player you are makes you worth more.. Joe Johnson is not that talented NOR is he that popular..
Carmelo is 2nd to Lebron and maybe Wade for the swingman rookies that have a good marketing value...

Look... Yao would have gotten max contract if Rockets could extend it in his first year.. he is also known as the walking stock market.. He literally probally deserves the max.. as in he probally helped the Houston Rockets organization make the money he signed for in no time.. Same with VC , AI. Shaq..

by **dada** on Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:29 am

Its_asdf wrote:
Heck yeah he deserves it. If it wasn't for him, who would have led the Nuggets to 2 playoff appearances?

So I guess a healthy Marcus Camby, additions of Boykins, Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard also had nothing to with the playoff runs? Carmelo Anthony did his part in helping the Nuggets into the playoffs, but without those players then they'd still be a lottery team for sure.

its kinda unfair to say that. every team that makes the playoffs have talent all around. most of them have some big superstar and really good role players (ex. spurs). lets take for instance phoenix. okay phoenix has nash, mr. mvp, wooptidoo!! now take away marion, joe johnson, amare and so forth, now where would that put them? probably in the lottery also and u wouldnt hear anything about nash being mvp or anything. now isnt that kinda unfair cuz majority of all the superstar players in the league have little mini stars to go along with them. u cant knock a guy cuz he has good team mates. plus the nuggets were in the postseason his rookie season when they were nowhere compared to what they r now.
i would love to see where they would be without him.

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