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Postby bballer22 on Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:55 pm

cn some1 explain that to me???!!! i dont get it...
they have ED- an allsar and a great player,
Andrei meller- should be allstar pg
odoum- how many SF do u know that moovelike him>>
Q,C-Magg and endless bench!!!!

what is wrong with them. sure they are loosing their C but still....

to me its a coaching prob, they are kinda like Wizards...

any other suggestions?
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Postby Drex on Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:07 pm

I think is just bad chemistry. They have the talent, but...they suck as a team. :)
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Postby Matt on Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:15 pm

theres no direction on the team
everyone plays for themselves, the need a vet to help out
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Postby John Mullins on Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:01 pm

who is this ED? some horse mascot or something?
and what about this Andrei meller? never heard of him
odoum?

On a serious note, how old are you
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Postby Rens on Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:30 pm

This is a nice example that alcohol and the Internet don't mix :lol:
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Postby bballer22 on Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:50 pm

sorry...
elton brand
lamar odoum
A.Miller
Q
C-magg
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:31 pm

In a sport where money is often a motivation, Clippers' players don't have much to motivate them. Owner Donald Sterling doesn't like shelling out money, so players are not given long term and/or desirable extensions. It doesn't matter whether it was the team's best player or a key role player - the Clippers just let them walk.

They also go through a lot of coaches, so not only is their constant turnover with their roster, but also with the coaching staff. Basically, that means there's no time for a coach to properly implement a system, and the players aren't given enough time to become a cohesive unit. As Dr3x and Stack pointed out, no chemistry, just players who are good individually.

As far as this season goes, Elton Brand and Michael Olowokandi both missed games or were ineffective at times due to injury, and Q Richardson has also spent time on the IR. Andre Miller has just had a subpar season, after somehow managing to lead the league in assists last season while playing for the Cavaliers.

I read an article a while back that pretty much summed it up by saying the one person the Clippers need to get rid of to get better is the one person they can't get rid of - Sterling.
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Postby John Mullins on Sun Apr 20, 2003 8:19 pm

lamar odoum


odom
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Postby Full Surface on Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:43 pm

In my point of view, I don't see them having a true leader in their team. If you look at others, you can see that MJ leads the Wizards, Kobe and Shaq lead the Lakers, KG leads the T-Wolves, etc.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:47 pm

I think they were hoping Andre Miller could fill that role, but he hasn't had a great season, and impending free agency has been a distraction for 4/5 of their starting lineup.
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Postby airtsinelas on Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:49 pm

I hope one time this team would have an owner who will commit his money to building a winning team and not for his own sake. As long as Sterling is the owner, the team will be have its reputation as sorry losers and Sterling still earning his $'s.
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Postby Colin on Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:07 am

That lousy Sterling once tried to cut the training camp budget from $10, 000 to $100. :shock:
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Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:46 pm

Don't know why you used that emoticon, it shouldn't come as a shock. :wink: Sterling would do a great job in other fields of business/management with his ability to cut costs and increase profits, but in pro sports, the way to win these days is to spend a little extra here and there, if it means keeping together a good team and coaching staff.
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Postby Rens on Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:47 am

Andrew wrote:Don't know why you used that emoticon, it shouldn't come as a shock. :wink: Sterling would do a great job in other fields of business/management with his ability to cut costs and increase profits, but in pro sports, the way to win these days is to spend a little extra here and there, if it means keeping together a good team and coaching staff.

Well the Clippers are one of the most profitable franchises around, due to luxery tax and low salaries.
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Postby mp3 on Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:50 am

no leadership plain and simple. the average age of the clippers is 26. the average of years pro is 3 years. Elton and Andre have not been good leaders this year, Elton has been injured and Andre has been disappointing + the clippers have a lot of free agents so half the players would be thinking about next year and where they will be instead of the here and now.
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Postby Brave Sir Rubin on Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:11 am

my theory on the clipp's shitty records is that they tend to trade players and change their lineups very often...not letting players get used to playing with each other...as a result of that...there's no team chemestry...

they should have never have broken off odom/miles...that duel would have been explosive in a year or two...

if they stay with a lineup of Q, Kandy, Brand, Odom, whatever PG...for more than 4 years...they'll be playing great together...

take the Lackers per example...the Kobe/Shaq duel didn't start winning champions until they got used to each other.....

in my opinion if the Clipps can't guarantee drafting James this year...then they should trade their pick for a good veteran PG who'd be able to get them to play together.......they need a real leader...maybe even get Sir Charles out of retirement just so that he could give them pep talks in the locker room? :)
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Postby bballer22 on Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:24 am

the best thing i love about the clipper GM is that they DONT pay players too much, coz then it makes them work harder to get to a higher pay... just ask Malone, Jordan etc... but i guess in modern NBA that doesnt work, they can go to another team for as higher pay.... however not this season, this season the FA list if full of superstars, cap space will be a prob, their best opt is to stay with clips.... as far as EB, true he needs some1 to direct him, i think gewtting Oakly will be good...
Candy is long gone... clips dont want too sigh him, he doesnt want to be in the clips, hoever i can see them to be the next best team in NBA!!
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Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:59 am

Well the Clippers are one of the most profitable franchises around, due to luxery tax and low salaries.


I know, which is why I said Sterling is not a bad businessman per se. But in terms of professional sports, he is. A portion of the revenue comes from the fans, through merchandising and tickets. If the team cannot hold the interest of the fans, eventually the profit is going to get smaller and smaller, despite the penny pinching.

the best thing i love about the clipper GM is that they DONT pay players too much, coz then it makes them work harder to get to a higher pay


But that's the thing - it doesn't. No matter what kind of season they have, Sterling refuses to offer an extension, no matter how expensive it is. Take Elton Brand for example. An All-Star in 2001/2002, probably the most consistent Clipper despite the injuries, but he's was refused an extension last year. He, Miller, Odom and Olowokandi could all walk this offseason - and Sterling doesn't seem to care.

as far as EB, true he needs some1 to direct him, i think gewtting Oakly will be good...


Nah, not Oakley...Oak's just turned into a cranky old man. :P
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