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Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:02 am
It's the truth though, and sometimes the truth hurts. Everyone wants to be politcally correct but when an issue like this (illegal immigration) comes up it's hard not to get personal and get offensive. It's a big problem, especially down south. It's one of the things I'm upset with at Bush for not doing. He isn't doing a good job stressing border protection, which is a must.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:15 am
Riot wrote:2. The jobs that they get is jobs that don't really exist in the first place or jobs most other people don't want.
What the hell do you mean the jobs don't exist? Of course they exist.
3. Don't blame the workers, blame the people that are giving them those illegal jobs.
Now, this is the one that made me laugh. Blame the people that hire them? Um, how about blame the people who are in the country illegally? If they weren't here then the employers wouldn't feel tempeted to hire them for dirt.
Like in the video, build a deck? It's not like their taking away the positions as lawyers, doctors and architects. What kind of jobs do you think lets illegal immigrants work there? No ID, Social security or anything like that; no taxes or papers. It doesn't exactly sound like a job you would take, since that would make you an illegal worker.
Yes, blame the people that hire them, it's their fault basically isn't it? The will to make a few extra bucks, so they hire them is what it all comes down to. It's them that gives them the jobs. In order for there to be a supply, there needs to be a demand... Oh wait,
Oh no, they are tempted to hire them. Poor, poor, weak people. Blessed be those weak soles. It's not their fault that they hire them!!!
Edit, it's not the truth damned, why do you fail to see that. It's not like this is correct, and this is not. I'm not saying I'm speaking the truth either, but I see myself being closer to it truth (as do most people I think).
Anyways, that's what the forum is so great, we can discus thing like this...
Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:37 am
It's the fact that the mexicans are coming into America (illegally) getting American money from jobs and then leaving BACK to Mexico to spend it in Mexico because they can get more for the American dollar there than they can here. Plus, they still live in Mexico. They just come here to freaking work and then take our money and spilt.
Here is a rough example:
Say you were invited to a party, a big party where only people on the list could get in. A lot of ladies are around, you aren't pratically interested but you have your eye out. Then these people NOT on the list come and start taking all the ladies. Even though you never really wanted them, it's now the fact that you can't have them and they aren't even suppose to be here. Those guys are taking the ladies and bringing them home, and then coming back and getting more!
That was a great example!
Anyways, you claim it's okay since they are "helping their families". So if a guy robs a bank because he needs money to pay for his 40 kids, that's ok? Bullshit. They are breaking the law, no matter how many kids you have or how many wives you have you have to make a living the legal way. And if you do it the illegal way face the consquences when you are caught. These guys are taking our American money and bringing it into Mexico. They are taking our money and not putting it back into our economy.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:11 am
Have you ever lost a job to an illegal immigrant?
Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:46 am
No, I wasn't saying it was ok, but for the sake of it, I'm gonna say "If the employers weren't fine with hiering them illegally, then they wouldn't feel tempted to come and work".
Here's how I think your storie should go:
Say you were invited to a party, a big party where only people on the list could get in. Some nasty hoes are around, you aren't interested at all, nor are anyone else on the list (except for one or two that doesn't have an option). Then these people NOT on the list come and start flirting with the hoes since their pimp thinks its ok, he even encourages it. And since you never wanted them, nor anyone else there (except for those one or two people), the fact that you can't have them doesn't matter at all; and that person that wanted to, can easily get it somewhere else, since there are pimps that doesn't like people not on the list.
Is that not a better analogy?
I still stand by my point that it's basically the employers fault. What would happen if the employers didn't do illegal things? There would be no reason for them to come and look for work then right?
Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:01 am
The employers are wrong. I'm not saying they are. But the easiest way to stop this from happening it to (gasp) stop illegal immigration! And in some cities they protect illegal immigrants (like LA) so you can't ask them if they are legal or not. WTF?
Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:17 am
The easiest way is to stop it is to completely shut down and control a 2,000 miles wide border (around the clock, all the time, and everywhere)? Do you realise that you'd have to pump billions after billions every just for the salaries alone, over and over again. And then keep it up indefinitely.
Let's say it doesn't cost a single thing for the sakes of keeping the argument alive, you don't think they would have done that already considering the incredible amount of immigrants, drugs, stolen goods and so on, that is being crossed over there every fucking second?
Instead of trying (doing a shit job at it may I ad) to prevent that crime from happening at the border, how about trying to prevent it inside the actual country instead (that would involve the employers)?
By the way, was my analogy not good/incorrect?
Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:21 am
At least they're actually working and not hanging around on street corners at night pissed off their head on metholated spirits and turps, screaming abuse at every single person that walks past their big giant group before a bus chartered especially to come and pick them up to take them back to their tee-pee or whatever it is they live in where they then proceed to verbally abuse the bus driver, get more drunk, then leave... Wait... that's Aboriginals, they were here first... awell.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:43 am
how is this any worse than
http://www.tshirthell.com ?

Some of you are hypocrites...
mazzlow
Illegal immigration is no joking matter but cancer and the tsunami is?
EDIT:
Oh yeah and Riot, Mexicans take all the crappy jobs which I don't mind... The Asians take all the good jobs
Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:51 am
Like you said, illegal immigrants bring in a lot of illegal stuff. They can sell it, get American money and then go back to their homes in Mexico.
I know you can't completely shut the whole border down. That's totally unrealistic. But the fact that Bush isn't even talking about it or putting much attention on it makes me angry. The border right now is a joke. I could get across illegally (well, maybe not).
Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:52 am
Fuck man, how can you find this video funny.
I have to admit it looked pretty fake, pretty acted, but if it was real indeed, it's much more sad than funny.
Does that asshole have nothing better to do?? Absolute lack of empathy for other men. Fucking racist and stupid.
You've got a real dumb humor Riot. Racist redneck.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:05 am
Wow, such strong words from Jonex? This video I gotta see.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:06 am
Riot, you've just become the newest member of the infamous tide. Ask around.
Just place yourself in their shoes for a moment, and picture yourself in need of work... Would you not do the exact same things they do? Noooo, you'd respect "American" jobs and strike down "illegal immigration" even if you were not a Gringo, no, amigo?
Some of you American get fed all this Republican propaganda and just take it for granted...
Racist redneck indeed... just like the Cowboys down in Texas who think the life of a cow is worth much more than the life of a Mexican...
You disgust me kid, and the whole line about "foreigners destroying our opposrunities" is not at all different than the line Adolf used during WWII to turn an entire nation against the "menace of Jews" ...
So go ahead and bask in the sight of the Swastika, idiot.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:10 am
You could put yourself in a bunch of people's shoes, but bottom line is they are breaking the law and stealing from our country. I could put myself in the shoes of a theif who robbed a bank because my son has a disease and he needs medical treatment. Who cares? You broke the law.
People go to large extremes to feed their familes and get rich. As a country we must go to large extremes to stop those people from doing it in an illegal matter.
And I honestly don't get how that video is so horrible. He picked up illegal immigrants and brought them to the immigration office. It's funny, because they all ran like freaking dogs. But I guess "putting yourself in their shoes" is right and following the law is "wrong".
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:16 am
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:Riot, you've just become the newest member of the infamous tide. Ask around.
Just place yourself in their shoes for a moment, and picture yourself in need of work... Would you not do the exact same things they do? Noooo, you'd respect "American" jobs and strike down "illegal immigration" even if you were not a Gringo, no, amigo?
Some of you American get fed all this Republican propaganda and just take it for granted...
Racist redneck indeed... just like the Cowboys down in Texas who think the life of a cow is worth much more than the life of a Mexican...
You disgust me kid, and the whole line about "foreigners destroying our opposrunities" is not at all different than the line Adolf used during WWII to turn an entire nation against the "menace of Jews" ...
So go ahead and bask in the sight of the Swastika, idiot.
That is one of the best posts I've seen in a long time.
How can you respond so immaturely Riot?
"It's funny because they ran like dogs"? PLEASE, what large extremes are you talking about, how can you compare illegal mexicans to robbing a bank...
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:18 am
You could put yourself in a bunch of people's shoes, but bottom line is they are breaking the law and stealing from our country.
That's the line they are force-feeding you, kid... snap out of it. examine all points of the argument before coming to a conclusion. Be Smart, don't take crap for gold.
People go to large extremes to feed their familes and get rich.
Yes, indeed... nobody seems to recollect nowadays that this is the exact thing teh colonicts pursued and it only resulted in.. oh... the aradication of nearly every native-American. But who cares, that's in the past now isn't it? The law-breakers are now th elaw-makers, so their word is truth. Again, think outside th ebox and judge, do not be a tool for the vote-hunters...
It's funny, because they all ran like freaking dogs.
Picture this scenario.
American pilot goes on a covert ops mission in a middle East country. (Needless to say, he has no legal grounds to be in that airspace.)
American Pilot crashes (Typical. Who trains them, anyway? )
American Pilot gets arrested.
American Pilot gets stoned in public view.
hahahaha, all the natives watch the video and laugh their asses off. he DID break teh law, didn't he? So he deserves it... and it's pretty damn funny. Or Not?
Oh yes, he's American... he wages war against evil and terror... he can't possibly be wrong, can he? Ooooh, set him loose now, stoning him is illegal.
Idiotic Americans...
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:24 am
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:Idiotic Americans...

its not americans...............just morons
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:26 am
its not americans...............just morons
Whatever... the end result matters...
Anyways, I'm off like Shawn Bradley guarding against T-Mac's drive...
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:26 am
Nah, it's not "Americans", I have relatives and have met a lot of americans that are tolerant, respectful and worldly.
It's just this one.
And unfortunately a lot more...
Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:32 am
D-Wolverine 99027 wrote:You could put yourself in a bunch of people's shoes, but bottom line is they are breaking the law and stealing from our country.
That's the line they are force-feeding you, kid... snap out of it. examine all points of the argument before coming to a conclusion. Be Smart, don't take crap for gold.
People go to large extremes to feed their familes and get rich.
Yes, indeed... nobody seems to recollect nowadays that this is the exact thing teh colonicts pursued and it only resulted in.. oh... the aradication of nearly every native-American. But who cares, that's in the past now isn't it? The law-breakers are now th elaw-makers, so their word is truth. Again, think outside th ebox and judge, do not be a tool for the vote-hunters...
It's funny, because they all ran like freaking dogs.
Picture this scenario.
American pilot goes on a covert ops mission in a middle East country. (Needless to say, he has no legal grounds to be in that airspace.)
American Pilot crashes (Typical. Who trains them, anyway? )
American Pilot gets arrested.
American Pilot gets stoned in public view.
hahahaha, all the natives watch the video and laugh their asses off. he DID break teh law, didn't he? So he deserves it... and it's pretty damn funny. Or Not?
Oh yes, he's American... he wages war against evil and terror... he can't possibly be wrong, can he? Ooooh, set him loose now, stoning him is illegal.
Idiotic Americans...

He shouldn't have been flying over there but I would still care because that is arresting and stoning someone. This is returning them to their home country...you say comparing robbing a bank and illegal immigrants isn't right then comparing illegal immigrants and a pilot crashing isn't right either.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:13 pm
Riot i thought you were joking around when you found this funny. I mean, i admit i found this video funny too... but that's only because it's so mean that it's funny... not because i'm a racist.
But Riot, i can't believe you believe all the bullshit that's flying out of your mouth (or keyboard). Thinking about this > Everybody on earth is equal, you sick prick.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:51 pm
HHAHAHA, the funniest part is when they jumped out of the truck and ran. They struck out running like someone was shooting them.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:07 pm
Nick wrote:Riot i thought you were joking around when you found this funny. I mean, i admit i found this video funny too... but that's only because it's so mean that it's funny... not because i'm a racist.
But Riot, i can't believe you believe all the bullshit that's flying out of your mouth (or keyboard). Thinking about this > Everybody on earth is equal, you sick prick. 
I don't know what you just said.
Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:25 pm
Riot wrote:Like you said, illegal immigrants bring in a lot of illegal stuff. They can sell it, get American money and then go back to their homes in Mexico.
I know you can't completely shut the whole border down. That's totally unrealistic. But the fact that Bush isn't even talking about it or putting much attention on it makes me angry. The border right now is a joke. I could get across illegally (well, maybe not).
Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. Show some class kiddo. I have lots of respect for Americans, but "Smart" ones. You just fell into that other category. Read what you wrote and stand up and run right into a wall. Maybe you'll get some sense knocked into your head. Maybe you'll choke on your chewin tobacco too!
Think about it man, even if they are illegal immigrants they want a better life. They want a better paying job, an opportunity. Something they might not get in their country. Sneaking through the border might not be the right thing to do, but insulting them and making a mockery of it is just rude. No class.
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