Washington - Orlando @ 8th Spot

by **Full Surface** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:56 am

Which team do you think will earn the 8th playoff spot for the East? Personally, I'd like to see the Wizards get in but they need to play harder and Jordan needs to lead the way. The Orlando-Memphis trade obviously worked out well for the Magic seeing that they won quite a few games since the trade. We'll have to see but as of right now, I'm predicting that Orlando will get the 8th spot. The Knicks are trying to reach that 8th spot also so they might give the Wizards a little trouble if they win their future games.

by **scubilete** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:20 am

No matter what happens to the wiz, if they can't get a spot to the playoffs, a particular team of any conference must give up their spot to let Jordan play his last year playoffs. They must show respect ( :evil:

) for that one who has done so much for the league.

by **Stevan** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:26 am

...and if an old poster decides to make a comeback to the forum Scubilete should be removed to make way.

The Orlando trade puts them in the playoffs, but there's still hope for the Wizards if the Bucks begin to fall apart. Less likely with GP, but could happen.

by **MC Hao** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:27 am

a particular team of any conference must give up their spot to let Jordan play his last year playoffs.

No way that will happen. If the Wizards want to be in the playoffs, they need to earn it.

by **JJcoolL** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:34 pm

shut up

by **Clinton** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:18 pm

No matter what happens to the wiz, if they can't get a spot to the playoffs, a particular team of any conference must give up their spot to let Jordan play his last year playoffs. They must show respect ( ) for that one who has done so much for the league.

Shut up with your stupid crap. You and all the other MJ haters are really pathetic, having signatures saying teams have to give up their spot. Pathetic.... :roll:

and if an old poster decides to make a comeback to the forum Scubilete should be removed to make way.

It's only reasonable.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 6:18 pm

I think the Magic will hold onto the 8th spot. MJ has been playing fairly well the last few games, but Stack has been a little inconsistent (still feeling the effects of the groin injury?). Hughes is also out three weeks, and while Lue has been playing well in his stead, Hughes has been one of the Wizards' top performers, so his absence will no doubt make things more diffcult for the Wizards in the immediate future.

Orlando meanwhile has fared pretty well since the Mike Miller trade, with Gooden and Giricek proving to be better fit better in the Magic's system than in Memphis. Gooden is getting more minutes, Giricek continues to be a candidate for the unofficial "diamond in the rough" award for 2003, and T-Mac continues to play well. They're only Kemp back in the starting lineup and producing and a healthy Grant Hill away from being at their best.

As for the whole giving up a playoff spot for Jordan and the Wizards...there's somewhat of a difference giving up a starting position in an exhibition game that is more appropriate for a tribute/farewell anyway (as it does not affect season standings or the eventual outcome of the season) and forcing a team to drop out of the playoffs. Much as some people would like to believe in all these conspiracy theories, the NBA is not fixed or scripted. If it were, then surely MJ's final shot in the All-Star game would have been the game winner. If people truly believe the NBA is rigged and those kinds of exceptions will be made, then I don't know what to say. To me, that doesn't sound like the words of a fan, someone who enjoys watching the NBA.

If it's merely a joke, it's not a very funny one either, blowing one incident out of proportion. Refuze made a serious post, on the topic of the 8th spot in the East (currently held by the Magic with the Wizards just a couple of games behind). I ask the question, if you dislike Michael Jordan so much, why say something like that, when you could stick to the discussion and make it about the Washington Wizards, not Michael Jordan? That would seem like the logical thing to do.

Note: There is no moderating in this post. It's simply my opinion. I'm certainly not telling not to post anything. Thanks for your understanding.

by **Stevan** on Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:20 pm

Well the Bucks lost today and are now 28-29, where as the Wizards are 27-29...

I know there might not be enough games for anything to develop, but how long before Sam Cassell and Gary Payton beging to fight, or before somebody starts bitching on the Bucks?

Clinton: Word!

by **scubilete** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:38 am

...and if an old poster decides to make a comeback to the forum Scubilete should be removed to make way.

However, if anyone should be removed should be you, since you were the one coming with the idea, we would take you as voluntary, :lol:

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Shut up with your stupid crap. You and all the other MJ haters are really pathetic, having signatures saying teams have to give up their spot. Pathetic...

Actually Clinton, you are the pathetic one here asking others to shut up, I mean, do you think I'm going to shut up cause you ask me to? or cause you say so?, nah, if that's what you thought, you were wrong. Anyway, you shouldn't be complaining about my signature, since I've never complained about your pathetic & sick pic. I mean, if that signature makes you sick, I'm going to do a favor to you, I'm going to leave it there so I make sure you get used to it.

I'm not a MJ hater, in fact I just want to see him playing his last playoff, maybe he gets to the Finals, doesn't he deserve that? I don't understand you, I'm on MJ side, he should play in the playoffs and you call me a hater. If you don't agree then the hater is you, anyway, you have always been one but now you are declaring yourself one of those who don't want to see MJ playing anymore. The one who has done so much for this game.

I ask the question, if you dislike Michael Jordan so much, why say something like that, when you could stick to the discussion and make it about the Washington Wizards, not Michael Jordan? That would seem like the logical thing to do.

Well Andrew, I'm not joking, I'm a fan who knows the Wiz will not be in the playoffs but I do want to see MJ playing there, so that's the only possible way to do it. Since Stern made a special trophy for MJ "thinking he was going to get it", I don't think it's something really hard for him to ask some other team to give up their spot to let MJ play his last playoff year, the fact that he's with the wiz, they would have to give up the spot to the wiz, not to MJ, so I didn't mean just for MJ but for the whole team, maybe it's Oakley last year as well.

No way that will happen. If the Wizards want to be in the playoffs, they need to earn it.

by **Stevan** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:39 am

Wizards up 17 on the Rockets in the third... winning this game will even them up with the Bucks.

by **Matthew** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:44 am

However, if anyone should be removed should be you, since you were the one coming with the idea, we would take you as voluntary,

That's logical

I'm not a MJ hater, in fact I just want to see him playing his last playoff, maybe he gets to the Finals, doesn't he deserve that? I don't understand you, I'm on MJ side, he should play in the playoffs and you call me a hater. If you don't agree then the hater is you, anyway, you have always been one but now you are declaring yourself one of those who don't want to see MJ playing anymore. The one who has done so much for this game

Wow hasn't your attitude towards MJ changed?

I'm a fan who knows the Wiz will not be in the playoffs

We'll see...

Since Stern made a special trophy for MJ "thinking he was going to get it", I don't think it's something really hard for him to ask some other team to give up their spot to let MJ play his last playoff year

Care to elaborate?

Wizards up 17 on the Rockets in the third... winning this game will even them up with the Bucks.

Heheheheh

by **Stevan** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:53 pm

Jordan in February (10 games)
27.1ppg 6.4rpg 4.8apg 1.4spg

by **Clinton** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:19 pm

Actually Clinton, you are the pathetic one here asking others to shut up, I mean, do you think I'm going to shut up cause you ask me to?

I was hoping so.

Anyway, you shouldn't be complaining about my signature, since I've never complained about your pathetic & sick pic.

Can if you want.

I mean, if that signature makes you sick

Makes me realise how pathetic you are...

I'm not a MJ hater

Ohh. What are you then. Another MJ "realist" (thanks Shane).

I don't understand you, I'm on MJ side, he should play in the playoffs and you call me a hater.

Your making a stupid comment to get a reaction, trying to say that the playoffs are anything like the allstar game is crazy. No spots are going to be given up for noone. Wake up to yourself.

but now you are declaring yourself one of those who don't want to see MJ playing anymore.

No, I was declaring you stupid for your lame and very creative signature.

by **Rens** on Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:05 pm

Andrew wrote:Much as some people would like to believe in all these conspiracy theories, the NBA is not fixed or scripted. If it were, then surely MJ's final shot in the All-Star game would have been the game winner.

I don't think the NBA is rigged, but the situation you mentioned would require actually making the shot. They can't remotely control a basketball.

by **MC Hao** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:30 am

Wherever scubilete posts, there are always flames, I wonder why? :roll:

by **Clinton** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:25 am

but the situation you mentioned would require actually making the shot.

The shot that he did make....

by **scubilete** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:43 am

Wherever scubilete posts, there are always flames, I wonder why?

Clinton posts everywhere and you will see those "flames" cause whoever who doesn't agree with him, he tends to call them names. He has to start calling everyone stupid & hater, now pathetic, just cause they have different opinions. And you will keep seeing that cause he posts everywhere and I do post here, and obviously I don't have the same thoughts he does, so that makes you think it's wherever I post, but I just post, if someone doesn't agree, they just have to give their opinion, not doing it the way he does. He will keep calling me hater, pathetic or stupid, something that doesn't bother me cause I know well how he feels when others don't agree with him. I don't think Clinton will ever act in a different way, since his personality is like that. At least that's what he shows here.

Can if you want.

Of course I can, but I don't like to waste my time complaining like you, I prefer to post my opinion which even you don't like it, it's much more valuable than your complaints.

Ohh. What are you then. Another MJ "realist"

Actually, I'm a fan who wants to see MJ playing in his last year playoff. After all, everyone has different thoughts, I don't know if that's the way you are in the street, but I bet if that's how you are, you has a lot of problems outside calling names to whoever you see that doesn't agree with you.

Your making a stupid comment to get a reaction

No really, I didn't realize you were going to post here, in fact I was the first one who decided to post after the one who created the thread. I decided to give my opinion about what I thought they should do, but if you don't agree you just have to say you don't agree, like MC Hao did, you don't have to start calling others stupid for saying something you didn't like.

No, I was declaring you stupid for your lame and very creative signature.

Even I don't consider anyone around stupid, if I were stupid, wouldn't be more stupid the one who keeps complaining because others don't agree with him?.

Oh well, I guess you are allowed to call anyone stupid or whatever you want, just cause those who share your opinions are moderators & admins of the site, that's the only reason I don't answer you the way I would in person. However, this thing shouldn't be happening, at least not with anyone who decides to post in the site.

I don't know if any of you realize that this is a place where people from different culture posts and people do have different thoughts, and shouldn't be called stupid/pathetic/hater for expressing them or making them public. If Clinton can do that, then everyone is going to follow his steps and the site will become a worse place to be & post.

Andrew, I have admitted my mistakes in the past, but you know this is not supposed to be happening, I'm not complaining but I just keep seeing Clinton calling me names and everything he desires and I've been trying to control myself but this is getting out of my hands. I will not be the responsible if something comes up. I just wanted to let you know. I'm posting this cause like MC Hao said, everywhere I post there's flame, but it's not my fault, Clinton keeps calling me hater/idiot/stupid/now pathetic, those are names that are not supposed to be used in the site, if we really want this place to be great, this has to stop.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:54 pm

Clinton posts everywhere and you will see those "flames" cause whoever who doesn't agree with him, he tends to call them names.

I know that to be false.

I don't think Clinton will ever act in a different way, since his personality is like that.

I strongly disagree. Given that I have known Clinton his whole life and that we are from the same family, I think I know him pretty well.

Of course I can, but I don't like to waste my time complaining like you, I prefer to post my opinion which even you don't like it, it's much more valuable than your complaints.

Interesting you say that. Your post really did seem to be mocking MJ as you often do - which you are entitled to do of course, do not get me wrong - rather than discussing what Refuze originally posted, which was a discussion of whether Orlando or Washington would get the 8th spot in the East as the race is close.

Clinton keeps calling me hater/idiot/stupid/now pathetic, those are names that are not supposed to be used in the site, if we really want this place to be great, this has to stop.

To be fair, it seems like everytime Michael Jordan is mentioned, you have something negative to say about him, especially in the All-Star related threads where you were among those seeming to take enjoyment out of Michael Jordan's shortcomings and bloopers. And I know of one instance where you insinuated that Clinton's views on MJ were incorrect because you are older than he is and have seen some of the older players in action. Again, the "if you are young, you don't know anything" train of thought, which isn't good for the community either.

However,

Clinton, I know how you feel about anti-MJ jokes and sentiments, it annoys me too. It's annoyed me since before I became the webmaster of the NLSC. However, there are a lot of people who dislike MJ, and who can't let the admittably overmarketing/hyping slide. And to be honest, those who take pleasure in watching a 40 year old Michael Jordan battle age and sometimes come up short really do irritate me.

But you have to be a bit more diplomatic about it. Yes, some of is mindless hating, some of it is grossly exaggerated and blown out of proportion. But as a fan of Michael Jordan, I'm probably guilty of doing the same thing at the other end of the scale.

Please try to avoid making disagreements with opinions personal attacks. I know you can make good contributions to pretty much any basketball related discussion.

Andrew, I have admitted my mistakes in the past, but you know this is not supposed to be happening, I'm not complaining but I just keep seeing Clinton calling me names and everything he desires and I've been trying to control myself but this is getting out of my hands.

Well, the last three paragraphs are the necessary moderation that is my job to fulfil. But I know that Clinton does not flame with every one of his posts. I know that you don't flame with every one of your posts either.

Please, can we end this all now?

I don't think the NBA is rigged, but the situation you mentioned would require actually making the shot. They can't remotely control a basketball.

Well, you know, technology these days... :wink:

I was thinking more along the lines of the Western team "accidently" screwing up a final play to win it, leaving Jordan's shot as the game winner. Or even declaring the game over (a la the 1992 All-Star game) because they saw it as a perfect ending. But you're right, such plans would depend on the shot being made. Still, like I said, technology... :cool:

by **Stevan** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:51 pm

The Wizards are now ahead of the Bucks (lost today), and Orlando lost to NY, so they're only ahead of the Wiz on percentage. Wizards are .491, and Magic are .492

It'll be tight as a school girl down the stretch me thinks...

by **Clinton** on Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:03 pm

Clinton posts everywhere and you will see those "flames" cause whoever who doesn't agree with him, he tends to call them names.

Completely untrue.

He has to start calling everyone stupid & hater, now pathetic, just cause they have different opinions.

That isn't your opinion, that was something you said to get a reaction and attempt to be funny. The playoffs have nothing in common with the All Star game, you should know that since your such a seasoned NBA fan.

I don't think Clinton will ever act in a different way, since his personality is like that.

Cause you know me sooo well.

I prefer to post my opinion which even you don't like it, it's much more valuable than your complaints.

If you think so.

No really, I didn't realize you were going to post here

I wasn't the only one who has reacted to this "Give up a spot in the playoffs for MJ" crap.

everywhere I post there's flame, but it's not my fault

Clinton keeps calling me hater/idiot/stupid/now pathetic

Only when you make stupid or idiotic remarks or when you are completely one sided when talking about a player.

by **scubilete** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:55 am

Andrew wrote:And I know of one instance where you insinuated that Clinton's views on MJ were incorrect because you are older than he is and have seen some of the older players in action.

No really Andrew. Nothing related with the age came to Clinton's view on MJ but Magic. Since Thomas has never played in the west, I just quoted who was the one giving up his spot. I just realized he didn't watch the game but also it was obvious cause the situation already mentioned. I never insinuated that Clinton comments about MJ were wrong but his post about silly walton comment which even Thomas admitted it was not the way he was saying it, so I had to stop cause Clinton wouldn't admit Thomas didn't do it that way, but that was not because his age but I guess cause he didn't watch Thomas' interview.

Andrew wrote:I strongly disagree. Given that I have known Clinton his whole life and that we are from the same family, I think I know him pretty well.

Like I said, that's what he shows here. At least I'm not the one he keeps calling other names (unless he uses those first, I would think it is allowed).

I wasn't the only one who has reacted to this "Give up a spot in the playoffs for MJ" crap.

Well, you are the one who keeps using names and personal attacks in order to express how you feel, even Andrew disagrees, I don't think you are capable of showing that's different.

That isn't your opinion, that was something you said to get a reaction and attempt to be funny.

I already explained the situation earlier, so I don't think I have to give you a different one.

Wow hasn't your attitude towards MJ changed?

Well, I really love to see the Wiz has someone to depend on, that's why I don't want MJ to retire. I like to see more competition and I don't care who is providing it, it would be good for the league. However, if a spot is given for the Wiz, they can even surprise the Nets and get to the Finals in some way, the East Conf. is really weak and I see a posibility for them in the Playoffs but not during the regular season.

You guys "MJ Fan", are just tired of seeing him playing and don't want to continue, something very uncommon from any fan. You are the only fans in the world who don't want to see your idol playing in the playoffs when the guy can score 20 every night. You are showing no love for MJ, asking him to retire, if he were scoring 10 or 5, I would agree, but 20 & 18 every single night. Then you would get mad cause other wants to see him playing, and call them haters and stupid or pathetic.

Please, can we end this all now?

Let's see, I just had to post to his comments once again since he posted after yours, anyway I don't think he read yours so kept insisting that he has to use those words whenever he sees someone who has a different opinion from his, since his opinions or comments are two or three sided, :roll:

.

Proof Clinton wrote:Only when you make stupid or idiotic remarks or when you are completely one sided when talking about a player.

by **benji** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:18 am

Andrew wrote:As for the whole giving up a playoff spot for Jordan and the Wizards...there's somewhat of a difference giving up a starting position in an exhibition game that is more appropriate for a tribute/farewell anyway (as it does not affect season standings or the eventual outcome of the season) and forcing a team to drop out of the playoffs.

The Wizards nor the team they are replacing would advance beyond the first round, so it doesn't really matter either...but it all serves to be ironic in the end...the media isn't attacking a team to give up their playoff spot, so they're being inconsistant, someone is being attacked for making a simple joke (when slandering someone and calling them a 300lb faggot, is "just a joke", they should "get over it" and is "a-ok"), when players aren't offering "worthless" spots to Jordan now when it was such a "honorable" and "worthy" sacrifice before...it all serves as irony...

Wizards should be targeting Milwaukee, not Orlando, for once Orlando gels (and they are getting closer) they should put a playoff spot out of reach (McGrady is in love with Gooden and Giricek, even though he won't fully admit it in public yet)

by **scubilete** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:48 am

I agree with you Ben, Orlando is not going to look behind anymore with the team they are building now, so the best target would be Milwaukee and hopefully they get to the playoffs so there's no need to give them the spot.

"Here's the latest joke going around the NBA: [Phil] Jackson named his kidney stone 'Kobe' because it wouldn't pass"

, Now you can't get deleted for that.

by **MC Hao** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:46 am

hopefully they get to the playoffs so there's no need to give them the spot.

There is NO WAY, so stop saying it. :evil:

by **magius** on Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:40 pm

i wish i wish i wish i wish grant hill can come back.....

can u imagine??

Washington - Orlando @ 8th Spot

Washington - Orlando @ 8th Spot

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