Why did Portland draft Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan?

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Why did Portland draft Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan?

Postby shadowgrin on Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:02 pm

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Postby FanOfAll on Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:09 pm

I don't want to be harsh or rude, but this is old, old news. But what I find funny is how quickly people forget the players draft after Michael. At #4, went Michael's college teammate, Sam Perkins. And after Perkins was Sir Charles. Michael wasn't the only star the Blazers passed on (John Stockon was drafted later in the first round as well).
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deja vu?

Postby shadowgrin on Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:16 pm

Same with other posts that argue who's the greatest this or that or other posts that have been debated countless times in the forum.

Portland did pass a lot of stars during the draft but the article I posted explains why they did pass them up.

"The world repeats itself"
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Postby maes on Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:33 pm

The irony is that Michael himself drafted a disappointing 7 footer in Kwame.

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Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:56 pm

Hindsight is indeed 20/20. No one, not even the Bulls expected Michael Jordan to have the impact that he did, no one could have forseen Bowie's injury-plagued career either. In that respect, it's a little unfair to criticise Dr Ramsey and suggest he made a terrible blunder. But we can still look back on it and consider it a blown opportunity.
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Re: deja vu?

Postby FanOfAll on Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:18 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Same with other posts that argue who's the greatest this or that or other posts that have been debated countless times in the forum.

Portland did pass a lot of stars during the draft but the article I posted explains why they did pass them up.

"The world repeats itself"

I wouldn't say you're comparing apples and oranges, but the two aren't the same thing. When an argument occurs regarding the best ______, there are a myriad of points that could possibly be made. Some debates bring out now prespectives, stats that seem to get overlooked, etc. On the other hand, the article basically states a widely accepted idea, so far that it could almost be called a fact. I could easily write and post an article that claims Detroit drafted Darko Milicic based on potential and the lack of a serious need elsewhere, but don't we already know that? I don't mean to sound patronizing, but unlike threads such as "KG vs. TD" or "T-Mac vs. Kobe" (which I do believe have been a few too many times), there really is no argument to make.

One cannot exactly call PDX stupid for drafting need over talent. We see this occur quite often. Sometimes, it backfires, other times it doesn't.
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Postby beau_boy04 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:52 pm

Come to think of it, probably not even Jordan knew how good he was by that time. Players always get better with time, hard work, dedication and so many other qualities and I think that's why Michael Jordan turned out to be Michael Jordan.
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Postby Fenix on Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:32 pm

If you had Wilt/Shaq, MJ and LeBron in the same draft - who would you pick if you had #1?
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Postby Jackal on Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:37 pm

If I knew their how they'd turn out, I'd pick Jordan. That's if I knew he'd turn out to be the Jordan we know him as. Duh.

If I didn't know he'd be as good as he became, I'd pick Shaq. Time and time again it's proven that big men win championships, without knowing what MJ could become, he could just be any other guard & guards don't win championships. (Unless it's MJ ofcourse, which in this case we didn't know.)

Hell, that was confusing. :mrgreen:
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Postby Fenix on Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:59 pm

Well, I would chose Shaq and LBJ over MJ. That would make me a heretic, wouldn't it? And why would I do that, exactly? Is easier to keep Shaq lean and motivated and surround him with proper role players (and one really good one) than teach a young Jordan how to play team game or find him complementary players (such as Pippen). And as for the King James's case - I believe he has much, much more potential than the young Jordan. And above all, he already is a team player.
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Postby Fenix on Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:45 am

I just noticed by watching some of the old finals: you really cannot win a championship without a dominant post player, but it doesn't neccessarily have to be a center or a power forward. Jordan dominated post as a 6'6'' guard.
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Postby Matt on Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:16 am

Detroit never had a dominant post player
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Postby Fenix on Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:37 am

Detroit never had a dominant post player

Smartass :lol:. Of course they did. Well... M'kay, you win. But just until I get a couple of their games.

(Oh, speaking of Pistons - the 2004 edition that is - could Rasheed be considered as a 'dominant post player'?)
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Postby Jackal on Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:49 am

There are only a few guards that can dominate in the post, MJ being one of the few.

Rasheed could be considered as a threat down low, he can score & defend down low. Ben is there to grab boards so that also helps.

Detroit doesn't really win by dominating the post, they win by clamping down on the players surrounding the dominant player. One man can't win a basketball game, Detroit's figured that much out. They know that if they shut down the supporting cast, there's only so much that one man can do.

If Detroit plays SA, I'm guessing they wont double Duncan, they'll let him do his thing, they'll try to shut down the supporting cast.
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Postby ManuGinobili!!! on Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:17 am

Sam Bowie did NOT have three point range. Credibility OVER!
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Postby Fenix on Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:24 am

ManuGinobili!!! wrote:Sam Bowie did NOT have three point range. Credibility OVER!


Jordan didn't have it either :lol:.
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Postby ManuGinobili!!! on Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:06 am

haha ask the 1992 portland trailblazers about jordan's 3 pt range!
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Postby Fenix on Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:20 am

ManuGinobili!!! wrote:haha ask the 1992 portland trailblazers about jordan's 3 pt range!


I meant that he didn't hava a 3pt range when he came into the league.
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Postby FendeR` on Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:24 am

Compare him to a guy like Reggie Miller who made 3's all the time (he came to mind first), Jordan does not have 3 point range. His bread and butter is the mid-range shot, hence why there are so many pictures of him with his follow through still up, watching the ball go through the net from the free throw line.
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Postby maes on Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:35 am

Dominant in terms of offense? I don't think it's needed to win a championship.

Dominant in terms of defense? Absolutely. Detroit did have dominant paint players in terms of raw defense & hustle, Laimbeer & Rodman. Gonna try to outrebound Laimbeer & Rodman in their primes? Good luck & kiss your teeth goodbye.

Remember it was Rodman who guarded Jordan when the Bulls were the whipping boys for Detroit, and it was that team that convinced Jordan he couldn't win a championship with the way he was playing. Without Detroit, i doubt Jordan would have accepted Tex's triangle system which turns guards into passers & outside shooters.

The only semi-anomoly in terms of championships without dominant big men was the Bulls, and they did have 1 very good one each run...Grant and then Rodman. But that was about it. But their freakishly good perimeter (jordan/pippen) probably offset their below average interior (for a dynasty team).
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Postby Andrew on Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:16 pm

I wouldn't really class Dennis Rodman as a big man, either. He was listed at 6'8" 220, most people believed he was really closer to 6'6". Neither Rodman nor Grant are big men in the Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem sense.
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Postby Matt on Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:43 pm

Oh, speaking of Pistons - the 2004 edition that is - could Rasheed be considered as a 'dominant post player'


whenever he decides to venture into the post and quit lazying around then yeah he's dominant....sadly, he must have been seperated at the hip from Antoine Walker
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Postby Jeffx on Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:29 pm

At that time, I thought Portland made the right move. My friends & I believed Bowie would be a superstar. And Portland needed a big man to combat Kareem & the Lakers.
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Postby maes on Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:17 am

Andrew wrote:I wouldn't really class Dennis Rodman as a big man, either. He was listed at 6'8" 220, most people believed he was really closer to 6'6". Neither Rodman nor Grant are big men in the Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem sense.


Around here, "big man" = paint player, not just 7 footer. Rebounds, defends, brings strength to a team. A rebound is a rebound, a block is a block, doesn't matter if it comes from 6' 6" Barkley or 7' 6" Yao Ming.

Sheed is a nice player, but Detroit's dominant big man is Ben Wallace without a doubt.

I think too much emphasis is put on where someone's cranium lies unless someone is going to block a shot with their forehead. Wingspan is just as important as height.
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Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:42 am

Absolutely, but in basketball the term "big man" refers to the biggest players, and that doesn't include guys like Rodman and Barkley. They were big forces, they rebounded like big men. But apart from the rebounding, Rodman was more like a small forward than a big man. Barkley posted up a lot more, but his game was still much more multi-faceted than most big men. In any case, neither are big men in the mold of Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem or Shaq.
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