pierce or carter?

[Amphatoast]

Which player do you think is better overall?
Career average wise they pretty much the same. They both came in the league at the sametime and both All-Star material.
VC has had bigger games than Pierce, but also low points like with the Raptors earlier this year.
Pierce number wise has just been consistant for the most part. Also take in consideration Pierce has had a All-Star next to him for the most part of his career [walker] but even without Walker Pierce was still consistant.

carter is more popular by far, but pierce is just as good on the court i think

[#12]

I'm Canadian, and I really hate Carter(guess why). I choose paul pierce

[cyanide]

See: #12's post

[Colin]

Better overall? Pierce. I think he does more things on the court than Carter does, and from what I've seen of him (not much) he plays better defence. But it's not like it's hard to play better defence than Vince.

[Full Surface]

Vince Carter when he tries.

[DipSetVC]

I'd take Pierce, if Vince's jumper isn't falling, he won't drive and will continue to chuck away. Paul tries to do different things if his shot is off and he gets to the line at will.

[Goldberg]

I would take Vince over Pierce but only if I can put a bomb in his ass to make sure he plays hard... and blow him off if he didn't.

Pierce appears a loveable guy... only appears... he's quiet so we don't hear much of him... but Pierce has never won a NBA Title and neither has Vince... (Vince might next year with Jefferson healthy)

Tough call... I would answer: It doesn't matter since both can bring your team to the post season... like this year.

[The GOAT]

I say Vince because I am teh average NBA fan.

[air gordon]

paul pierce: stays healthy & can contribute other things for his team when his outside shot isn't falling

[Anthony15]

Pierce: not a cry baby and plays better than VC!

[GloveGuy]

I say Vince because I am teh average NBA fan.

Not only does your post not make any sense, but your use of 'teh' once again degrades it even more. I was seriously about to start a Poll/Topic about it, with the question being "Who is Sick of G.O.A.T's use of 'teh'?" Sorry that I'm saying it in this NBA topic, which I'll actually talk about in the next paragraph, but man, you're killing it. You've made 'teh' not cool. It's alright to throw in a little 'teh's and 'pwn's around everynow and then, but it's supposed to hold meaning. It only turns everyone of your posts into a parody. Sorry, but it had to be said.

On the subject, Pierce just gets it done better than Carter. His decision making is sky high above. When his shot is going for him, he can always fall back on getting to the line -- he's probably the best in the league at doing so.

Like air gordon said, he can help his team in so many ways even by not scoring. He's an extremely underrated defender(5 blocks last night) and his passing isn't too shabby either. I give him the edge over Vince because quite simply, he's a better all-around player.

[beau_boy04]

Vince Carter is better offensively but Pierce is complete as a player. But they are both very tie head to head. If i were to start building a team around any of those two I wouldn't neither because I don't like their style.

[fgrep15]

Vince is a better offensive player, he's shown to be a better shooter, he's a more efficient passer, and as a Net he's gotten to the line at a fairly good rate.

I'd take Vince post-Raptors this season over Pierce. Pierce is a better defender, but the difference is marginal, and he's a better rebounder. Neither has good leadership qualities, and neither will singlehandedly lead you anywhere, not saying any player really can, but still.

They're both about equal all-round players, Pierce is the better rebounder, and marginally better on the defensive end, but Vince is a better scorer, shooter and passer. Vince's shooting and passing ability are both very underatted by a lot of people.

his decision making is sky high above

I don't know about that one, it's even debatable if he's a better decision maker, let alone sky high above him.

[Amphatoast]

Any celtic fans got anything to say about Pierce?

[GloveGuy]

Any celtic fans got anything to say about Pierce?

< ------ Celtics fan.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

and blow him off if he didn't.

Ahem... I'm hoping you meant to say "blow him UP" ...

[The GOAT]

I say Vince because I am teh average NBA fan.

Not only does your post not make any sense, but your use of 'teh' once again degrades it even more. I was seriously about to start a Poll/Topic about it, with the question being "Who is Sick of G.O.A.T's use of 'teh'?" Sorry that I'm saying it in this NBA topic, which I'll actually talk about in the next paragraph, but man, you're killing it. You've made 'teh' not cool. It's alright to throw in a little 'teh's and 'pwn's around everynow and then, but it's supposed to hold meaning. It only turns everyone of your posts into a parody. Sorry, but it had to be said.

You should, when I see how many people hate it I'll probably stop Know what, I'll go do that right now. Once I get to 10I'll cut it.
And what I meant by being teh average NBA fan is that all I look for is action, I go with teh hype, if teh spotlight's on Vince not Pierce I'll go with Vince. Average fan.

[Andrew]

It's a choice made harder especially given Carter's explosion since the trade to New Jersey, but I'm going with Pierce as well, for his defense, health and his consistency. While Carter certainly had reason to be unhappy with Toronto's management earlier this season, it wasn't the first time he's been criticised for being unmotivated or not giving 100%. Who's to say he won't do the same thing if something happens in New Jersey that he doesn't like?

Having said that, he's been awesome for the Nets and it's hard to pick against him, but at the moment I'd take Pierce over him.

[maes]

Ignoring personality issues, VC for pure performance w/o turnovers.

All the L's go-to guys also carry a lot of TOs by nature, the league's worst TO offenders are AI & Wade, and Kobe and Nash are in the top 5 as well. These guys average 5+ TOs per game.

VC delivers go-to guy #s with only 2.2 TOs per game. He's not even on the radar for TOs, #50 in the league is Marc Jackson with 3.2. In other years, he's delivers with TOs even in the 1s.

Basically, that means he's delivering with less touches and delivering without forcing shots (.462 FG & .425 3P, that's quite some accuracy for a guy who's triple teamed routinely). Which is why he's been slammed with criticism of slacking. In the eyes of the media, unless a superstar just flings random shots at the basket without any hesitation, he's just not "trying"

[The GOAT]

or it could be that in teh eyes of teh media whenever someone suddenly stops playing like an All-star and demands a trade, then says he was being lazy and comes up with teh excuse that oher player in teh league do it and not just him not "trying"...

EDIT: besides that, Nash was NOT in teh top 5, nor did he average over 5 turnovers. And Vince was in teh top 40 in TO's.

[beau_boy04]

YOu hit it on the nail. Neither of them have leadership qualities. Payton and others including myself have seem Pierce lack motivation at times and Vince Carter not delivering enough for the series against Miami Heat tells me that neither of them are leader candidates ala Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and others greats.

[fgrep15]

or it could be that in teh eyes of teh media whenever someone suddenly stops playing like an All-star and demands a trade, then says he was being lazy and comes up with teh excuse that oher player in teh league do it and not just him not "trying"...

When did this happen?

Carter never came up with the excuse that other players do it, the only person I remember saying that was Rasheed Wallace. Carter also never said he slacked of as a Raptor this season, he said in years past he didn't work as hard as he could because he had natural ability, so that would refer to in the off-season.

Their was an article about 1-2 weeks back saying right before he got traded, he went to Mitchell and asked him play him more with Milt Palacio because him and Alston weren't working. Mitchell agred, went to Babcock to tell him to hold off on any trade so they could try that out, but Babcock dismissed it and traded him anyways.

...really though, how can playing with Rafer bring him down to 16 PPG, yea the Raptors have a fair amount of options, but Rafer bringing him down do about 18-19 PPG in 30 MPG [since that's what he was playing] would make sense, since PER 37 mins, that's about 22-23 PPG, but 16? It's funny how he can turn his game on/off when he wants...

YOu hit it on the nail. Neither of them have leadership qualities. Payton and others including myself have seem Pierce lack motivation at times and Vince Carter not delivering enough for the series against Miami Heat tells me that neither of them are leader candidates ala Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and others greats.

I don't think you can get on Carter for not doing enough in the series, their's not much else he could've done. Through the first 3 games, he averaged 28 PPG | 8 RPG | 7 APG | 2 SPG, and 8 FT's, but shot 39.2% FG and 37.5% 3PT. That's really a pretty good performance.

For the series: 26.8 PPG | 8.5 RPG | 5.8 APG | 2.25 SPG | 9 FT's | 36.5% FG | 31.6% 3PT, his only downfall was his horrible shooting woes.

I mean you look at someone like Dirk, and he's averaging 23.3 PPG | 5.5 RPG | 3.8 APG | 37.1% FG | 25% 3PT in his series, he's had a major dropoff from his normal performance.

[Ataraxia]

Paul Pierce!!!!

Carter's a faker....he faked an injury for so long but now he shows no signs of that busted leg he had in Toronto....maybe its the weather?...

Pierce is more of a complete player.....Carter may have the talent factor over him though and athletic ability.

But I would pick Pierce cause I wouldnt want a player on my team that fakes an injury

Pierce has said this season there were times he thought he was not right for the Celtics....but never did he fake an injury or demand a trade....Doc Rivers and he have fought alotta times but PP has duked it out.

[fgrep15]

Carter never faked an injury, I can understand getting at him for not putting full effort, but I don't know when he faked an injury?

[maes]

I dunno, a PG can make a huge difference, he's getting so much production paired w/ Kidd. And i never suspected that Nash would make such a dramatic turnaround in Phoenix, it's not like they had a crappy PG before, Starbury is one of the better PG's in the League.

I'm less of the opinion that VC was just completely slacking (he was a little, but so does Shaq and so does McGrady etc) and more of the opinion he's benefitting from having one of the best PG's in history feeding him.