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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:35 am

What I'm seeing is unbelievable! A player whines about a team, and they get their wish and get cut. For instance:

:arrow: Zo gets traded to Toronto. I don't even think he left his home, but later did and went to chill in Miami.
:arrow: Gary Payton refuses to play with the Hawks, and what do ya know, he doesn't have to. It's like Boston traded Payton and scrubs for Payton and Walker.
:arrow: Steve Francis(back in the rookie days) refused to play for Memphis. He starts crying and shit because the Grizz suck, only because they were a new team. Then he gets traded to Houston and gets what he wants.

What is going on here? Next thing we know the NBA will become like the MLB. Teams will be so stacked it won't be funny. Whine and then join whatever team you want. Do we really want players doing this?

"Hey, we traded you to the Hawks."
"What, me? WTF!! Aight, I don't care, I don't have to play there if I don't want to. I'm gonna just refuse to play and they'll buy out my contract!"

Sheesh, give me a break. :roll:
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Postby Doobie on Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:59 am

True but then again their are some reasons a few times. I admit players do whine alot but too much then normal. the nba is becoming a joke i do agree.
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Postby Indy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:59 am

yes it is bad. i agree.

but i dont think i would say that the NBA is becomming a joke. i think their are still some great things in the L.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:06 am

no i don't think the nba is becoming a joke. don't let a few 'bad' apples ruin it for everyone else.

when vets like GP, Zo, etc don't want to report to their teams, they've 'earned' that right

but a rookie coming into the league and doing what francis did, that's wrong. but what's that say about the team that gives him his wish and trades him away?
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:20 am

yea francis, that bastard :evil: im glad we didn't end up getting him because we are doing just fine wihtout him in memphis. it hurt vancouver more than it hurt memphis, but the grizz always had solid pg's with bibby and jwill. i think in almost every sport including football, players can do whatever they want when they get traded. look at what happened to terrell owens when his agent mistakingly messed something up and he end up going to the ravens. since he didn't want to play for them, he just said he doesnt want to go there and he wants to be an eagle. they changed the deal and he ended up in philly. they can make a rule about it, but i dont see why because not every player would end up making a move like some players did. players like jim jackson shouldnt have did what he did. i know new orleans is the sorriest team in the league, but he didnt have to refuse to go when he still has at least 4 more years left in him (MAYBE) and he couldve just demanded a trade instead of holding out like a punk.
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Postby Full Surface on Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:14 am

Some of the older vets who have 2-3 years left want to play for a contender.

I don't know what the hell the Hawks are doing though. They traded away all their good players. (N)
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:18 am

refuze wrote:Some of the older vets who have 2-3 years left want to play for a contender.

I don't know what the hell the Hawks are doing though. They traded away all their good players. (N)


.... in order to give the youngsters palying time and lose as many games as possible and get the no 1 pick ..... and have the youngsters develop a loser's mentality :(
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:20 am

dweaver99027 wrote:
refuze wrote:Some of the older vets who have 2-3 years left want to play for a contender.

I don't know what the hell the Hawks are doing though. They traded away all their good players. (N)


.... in order to give the youngsters palying time and lose as many games as possible and get the no 1 pick ..... and have the youngsters develop a loser's mentality :(

And they have a crap load of cap space this off-season. There will be alot of talent in the FA market.
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:33 am

Atlanta is no New York or LA. It doesn't attract FAs very much. Neither does the Hawks' history of underachiving.
Then again, they'ro Milwaukee... :lol:
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Postby Full Surface on Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:12 pm

So what if Atlanta has money? No one wants to go to that garbage team.. They need to build a foundation first.
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Postby Amphatoast on Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:36 pm

trading vets to rebuilding teams kinda sucks..they should have the right to not go there.. but rookies.. they might as well not get drafted if they going to pick where they wanna go.
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Postby Indy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:37 pm

atlanta had no reason not to get rid of payton and walker. it didnt make any difference. neither of those guys would be there next year, all they did was unload the salaries. bashing atlanta for what they did the last week or so is stupid. atlanta had no move that they could make that would get them anywhere next year. in fact what they did was smart. trying to hold on to walker or payton would be stupid. they should make sure they keep their youngsters in josh smith and josh childress etc.

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Postby Matthew on Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:37 pm

What is going on here? Next thing we know the NBA will become like the MLB

That will never happen. The NBA actually has intrigity.

As for the player trades situation, what about when a player is totally loyal to his team, signs for less cash, then gets traded? I know its his job, but loyalty and respect goes both ways. If the teams are sick of players refusing to report, do somthing about it. Void the contract for breach of contract. If you dont stand up for yourself, you cant complain when people walk all over you.


Atlanta is no New York or LA. It doesn't attract FAs very much. Neither does the Hawks' history of underachiving.

Money talks. Do you honestly think a player would sign with New York for less than half of what he can get in Atlanta? To quote you from a previous thread "I don't know exactly how much I know my basketball". This is a business, and players do whats best for them (except for some rare players, like rick fox, who take less money to be a winning situation. But they are few and fare between)
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Postby iKe7in on Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:01 pm

Basketball is becoming a joke. Too many players are bigger than the game and their team, and they know it, and often make it known.

The biggest problem in the NBA is guarenteed contracts. Too many 'breakout' players get huge max contracts and then start to coast. They know that they're only playing for that 'one' contract that makes them set for life. There's no incentive to keep playing their hardest.

One of the worst biproducts of that, is that they have taken up so much of their teasm cap, that they lose good young players and begin to decline. That star players first thought when this happens is, "I want out." If the league was run like the NFL, teams can actually mold their team year by year, instead of waiting out contracts to try to rebuild.

When these former superstar players with huge contracts begin to decline a couple years in, the team should be able to release them without having to basically pay them off to leave. It has cripple teams that have to try to lose every year just to add some big names from the draft. Some of these teams that have really screwed up bad are Portland, New York and Chicago.

Portland continually overpays either young talent or aging veterans. The latest two are Darius Miles and Theo Ratliff. Miles received a $50 million based on two months of last sesaon, which occurred after Portland was out of contention. Ratliff has a good reputation from his Atlanta and Philly days, and now basically stands under the hoop waiting for shot block situations, and often gets posterized. His block and rebound totals are good, but he is at the end of his career, and Portland should thank god that his contract is done. What Portland is left with after this year is a lot of unproven players who should be in their prime. They have Darius Miels locked up for 5 more years, and if he remains a bench player throughout that contract, he is untradeable and has thus far been a pretty bad influence on the team. The Jailblazers should be ashamed of themselves after they let Mo Cheeks go. He was such a good role model and genuine nice guy who knows the game well, at least what used to be the game. He shouldn't have to put up with a team of ego driven criminals who decided to tune him out after they sucked for the first half of the season. None of them have to be accountable for their play, only the coach, who is much easier and much cheaper to single out.

New York has some neurological disease that tricks them into acquiring names instead of talent. They have several past their prime veterans with not much to offer, yet most of them are still under contract for another 3-4 years, and are strong candidates to be bought out before then. Consider MSG as where overpaid one dimensional players go to die.

Chicago is the closest to being free from the New York disease, and is definitely heading in the right direction, but had to go through some really shitty times to get their. If every team tried to draft as many apparent 'franchise' players as Chicago did, the league would be full of DaJuan Wagners. Although they drafted some pretty good players throughout the past few years, the hype of the "'new' to-be-franchise-palyer" in the draft caused them to trade away some serious talent, and only getting busted projects or overpaid and overhyped veterans, like Jalen Rose, Antonio Davis, Eddie Robinson, and bringing back someoen like Scottie Pippen, who should have gone out in style, but instead got injured and fade dinto oblivion. They have traded away stars like Elton Brand, Brad Miller and Ron Artest. The Bulls are the poster boys for the eternal rebuilders.

The point is that there are no consequences for underacheiving. Salaries are still going up, as are ticket prices, while the number of lasting stars in the league are going down.
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:14 pm

To quote you from a previous thread "I don't know exactly how much I know my basketball"


I believe my exact word were: "I don't know exactly how much I know my basketball, but certainly more than Camby."

You do not realize sarcasm in an expression even if it hits you in the head with a shovel, do you?
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Postby Matthew on Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:47 pm

The game is in good shape. You're entire article is scare tactics based around "guarnteed contracts are out of hand". While I wouldn't mind seeing the number of years guaranteed down to 4 or 5, I think the owenrs have to accept some responsibility. They arent forced to pay anything, if they think a player isnt that good, don't offer him anymore than they are worth. It simple. But owners have ego's too. They don't want to let the next Tmac walk out the door, and they opverpay on potential ( I made an article on the orgy a while back about this...).

And you have to be kidding that there is a shortage of stars. There are plenty of stars in the nba. Look at Shaq, Lebron, KG, Tmac, Kobe, Iverson, Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter. The league doesnt have a Jordan, but it has a nice number of legitimate players. The bigger problems are the constant soap opera stories behind it. The game needs to be first and foremost, and I think alot of that has to do with the media. Lets focus on the games instead of the behind the scenes shit.

I believe my exact word were: "I don't know exactly how much I know my basketball, but certainly more than Camby."

I didnt change any words, I just quoted what was relevant.
You do not realize sarcasm in an expression even if it hits you in the head with a shovel, do you?

Lets see, it's a bit hard to when its on the internet, when its just text. Anyway, what you said wasn't sarcastic. It was just stupid. And out of my entire post you pick one small thing to get upset about :( it's ok :)
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Postby Ataraxia on Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:00 pm

did u ppl read that article from sum euroleague coach abt how he thinks the NBA has lost its respect among ballers not involved in it......its kinda true cause the dudes in the Euroleague tend to work way harder than "some/most" of the NBAers today....but yeah I think the stars play the most vital role......a league gets titled/labelled by mostly their actions...I mean if Bernard Robinson got caught for a DUI nobody will care...but if LeBron James got caught for it.....it'll be like the NBA's full of criminals and overpaid spoilt persons.

I think the Hawks will improve with Dominique and Josh Smith coupled up....even the teams like the Cavs, Nuggets n well almost every team in the league except maybe the Lakers had a stretch where they just sucked and very few ppl dared join them.
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Postby iKe7in on Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:37 pm

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:...I think the owenrs have to accept some responsibility. They arent forced to pay anything, if they think a player isnt that good, don't offer him anymore than they are worth.


Owners are forced into signing those big contracts for stars because if they don't, someone else will. Are fans really going to support a team that lets every star walk, just because the owner showed that he has some principles? "Well, we're in last place and our biggest name is Dan Dickau, but I'm sure fans will still come out because we have good morals."

.. Look at Shaq, Lebron, KG, Tmac, Kobe, Iverson, Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter. The league doesnt have a Jordan, but it has a nice number of legitimate players.

What I meant was that the staying power of stars in the league has greatly declined. If every year you see 5 big breakout players that are budding superstars, it seems that within a few years only one or two of hem are still playing at that level. And the biggest reason why that happens is becaus they don't have to stay at that level. Even 'busts' still get paid in full.

The bigger problems are the constant soap opera stories behind it.

I coudn't agree with you more. Theres no such thing as loyalty or patience in the league anymore.
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Postby Matthew on Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:52 pm

I see your point with the owners, but i dont think they are forced to pay anyone. Look at chicago, for years they were a bust team, with no legitimate players, yet the bulls faithfull still turned out. same with detroit before they got rick calrisle. If the owner's expect compassion for signing players to big contracts, then they wont get it from me. you live by your decisions.
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:13 pm

TheCambyManVol3 wrote:The game is in good shape. You're entire article is scare tactics based around "guarnteed contracts are out of hand". While I wouldn't mind seeing the number of years guaranteed down to 4 or 5, I think the owenrs have to accept some responsibility. They arent forced to pay anything, if they think a player isnt that good, don't offer him anymore than they are worth. It simple. But owners have ego's too. They don't want to let the next Tmac walk out the door, and they opverpay on potential ( I made an article on the orgy a while back about this...).

And you have to be kidding that there is a shortage of stars. There are plenty of stars in the nba. Look at Shaq, Lebron, KG, Tmac, Kobe, Iverson, Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter. The league doesnt have a Jordan, but it has a nice number of legitimate players. The bigger problems are the constant soap opera stories behind it. The game needs to be first and foremost, and I think alot of that has to do with the media. Lets focus on the games instead of the behind the scenes shit.

I believe my exact word were: "I don't know exactly how much I know my basketball, but certainly more than Camby."

I didnt change any words, I just quoted what was relevant.
You do not realize sarcasm in an expression even if it hits you in the head with a shovel, do you?

Lets see, it's a bit hard to when its on the internet, when its just text. Anyway, what you said wasn't sarcastic. It was just stupid. And out of my entire post you pick one small thing to get upset about :( it's ok :)


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Postby Matt on Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:38 pm

when vets like GP, Zo, etc don't want to report to their teams, they've 'earned' that right


i disagree....the NBA is a business, if you get traded to the Hawks, stiff shit, your job is to play bball and that's what you should do and not be picky...that's what free agency is for.
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Postby Matthew on Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:06 pm

Agreed Matt, however, if they refuse to report, the teams should take a tough stance and void the contracts or the trades instead of complaining.
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Postby End Boss on Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:12 pm

trying to hold onto gary payton and antione walker would be good for new jersery... WHAT WAS ATLANTA THINKING!?!?!!11111oneoneoneone11!!!
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Postby Ataraxia on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:05 pm

I think teams should refuse buyouts....I mean why pay the guy out when he doesnt wanna play for u...it wasnt your fault he got that big ass contract....the player should be waived without having to do all those buyouts the franchises do....the player only benefits and the organisation looses like 10 mill so some dude can go to his own neverland...
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Postby alexboom on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:36 pm

Hey, these teams has never been forced to get these players. Especially for Atlanta, for them it was clearly obvious that Payton would have never joined the team
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