Marbury Article

[TheGuRu]

Marbury the best. You fagg0ztz0tzrorsaz0rz. <---Pvvn7.

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[Matt]

well that settles it....it's Derek Fisher & Billups.....Billups was Finals MVP though so he's best PG!!!!!

Seriously though, even though the answer is obvious, we can settle this Kidd vs Marbury thing. Which player just happened to get burnt by SHANE HEAL and scored on. Yes, that's right Marbury....shameful. Kidd wins

anyways, even though Kidd doesn't have a ring, he will always be a winner, and Marbury will always be a loser

[air gordon]

marbury named player of the week
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=nbaplayersoftheweek&prov=st&type=lgns

[cyanide]

marbury named player of the week
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=nbaplayersoftheweek&prov=st&type=lgns

That still doesn't mean Marbury is the best point guard in the NBA. Nobody's gonna say that. *cough*theGuru*cough*

[air gordon]

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heh i didn't say that. he won that award so he must be doing something right

[fgrep15]

As Matthew said, everyone thinks they're better than everyone. I mean Primoz Brezec deep down probably thinks he's better than Shaq, I think I'm better than Milt Palacio and so on. It's an ego thing, the NBA is based around confidence and ego's.

What? No way, no one can touch the dean of layups, he's an All-Star, he's just been hidden. Go MILT

Let's see, Marbury doesn't play defense, holds the ball too much, and has a score first pass later mentality, definately not the best PG in the league.

He's obviously not a "real" PG, but the PG's I'd take over him:

Kidd - He doesn't have the offensive skills like others, but he's got a great all-round game, is a great passer, leader, and a great defender.

Nash - The defense bothers me, his defense is pretty bad, but his offensive efficiency covers a little of that up. If he had defense, I don't know if it would be possible to say Kidd was better than him, but he doesn't, and you could say he same thing about if Kidd could shoot like him.

Baron - Decision making in terms of shot selection leaves a lot to be desired, but just as good a passer as Marbury, and arguably better, a very good defender on and off the ball, and a good all-round player. If he could shoot free throws, and drive more as opposed to taking three's, especially since he can get in the lane so easily, he'd be real high up. Their's also the fact that his team has had injury problems which has made them suck, and he's been constantly injured and out of shape at times.

Wade - He's listed as SG on depth charts/stat sheets but plays PG on offense for the Heat, and is the playmaker. Not a real PG either, if he was to count in this I'd take him over Marbury. Not the passer the rest of the guys are, and not as good a defender as Kidd or Baron, but good, just not great. Efficient scorer, and makes good decisions.


That's all, maybe Iverson, but Iverson is also not a PG, not an efficient scorer, has a horrible assist to turnover ratio, and though he's good at anticipating, gambles too much defensively hurting team defense, and is not a good one on one defender, okay, but not good.

Francis is also not a PG, he most notorious for overdribbling the ball, is looking to either score or make the touchdown pass. Good all-round game, but not a good passer, and okay in offensive efficiency, he's also a weak defender which is a little dissapointing for a guy that athletic. Him and Marbury seem to just let player go by them without much regard.

Also let's be serious here, Marbury doesn't make his teammates better, Nash does, Kidd does, Wade does, Baron more so than not, Iverson...a little, sometimes, but other times he makes them spectators. Francis, no, that's one thing a PG needs to do, make teammates better.

Kidd | Nash | Baron | Wade | Marbury | Arenas | Bibby | Iverson | Francis | Tinsley | Dre Miller | Billups | Hinrich | Rafer | Cassell | Parker | Claxton | Payton | McInnis | B.Knight

[Matthew]

Kidd - He doesn't have the offensive skills like others, but he's got a great all-round game, is a great passer, leader, and a great defender.

How can a player have a "great all-round game" when they are clearly lacking in arguably the most important aspect of basketball: scoring? And while kidd is a great passer and defender, he has been way too inconsistant. A good leader? Yeah, a great one who demanded a trade...

Nash - The defense bothers me, his defense is pretty bad, but his offensive efficiency covers a little of that up. If he had defense, I don't know if it would be possible to say Kidd was better than him, but he doesn't, and you could say he same thing about if Kidd could shoot like him.

I will agree that Nash is a better point guard, but not a more skilled basketball player than Marbury. Nash is the Ben Rotheslburger of the nba, you put him in a different situation (like dallas last season) and watch him struggle. Amare has been the difference for the suns imo.

Baron - Decision making in terms of shot selection leaves a lot to be desired, but just as good a passer as Marbury, and arguably better, a very good defender on and off the ball, and a good all-round player. If he could shoot free throws, and drive more as opposed to taking three's, especially since he can get in the lane so easily, he'd be real high up. Their's also the fact that his team has had injury problems which has made them suck, and he's been constantly injured and out of shape at times.

You can't be half serious with this comparison. The amount of if's here are incredible. "If marbury had Tim Duncan and ray allen on his team, he'd be way up becuase his assist to turnover would be high"... How can you say Baron is a better passer than marbury? How can you say he's more all-round? To say a player is better based on "if's" is stupid.

Wade - He's listed as SG on depth charts/stat sheets but plays PG on offense for the Heat, and is the playmaker. Not a real PG either, if he was to count in this I'd take him over Marbury. Not the passer the rest of the guys are, and not as good a defender as Kidd or Baron, but good, just not great. Efficient scorer, and makes good decisions.

So now you're calling baron a "great" defender? Riiight, who has he shut down in big games exactly? Wade is making the most of playing with shaq, like he made the most of being alongside Lamar last season. That's not a knock on him, but i'd like to see how he goes as the man before i'd put him in this group.

That's all, maybe Iverson, but Iverson is also not a PG, not an efficient scorer, has a horrible assist to turnover ratio, and though he's good at anticipating, gambles too much defensively hurting team defense, and is not a good one on one defender, okay, but not good.

I have to question how much basketball you actually do watch. Iverson over the last month has been awesome, shooting great and distributing the ball well when he has teamates in the right opportunity to score. To say he isnt efficent shows lack of knowledge or you havent been paying attention to the nba the last month. the dude's been on fire.

Francis is also not a PG, he most notorious for overdribbling the ball, is looking to either score or make the touchdown pass. Good all-round game, but not a good passer, and okay in offensive efficiency, he's also a weak defender which is a little dissapointing for a guy that athletic. Him and Marbury seem to just let player go by them without much regard.

Oh yeah they just stand aside while the other player drives by them! How much basketball do you seriously watch? You say Baron's a "great" defender, but marbury and francis dont partake in any defense, and iverson just goes for steals. There isnt that much of a difference between the 4 players mentioned, but you make it sound like we are comparing shaq to kwame brown here.

Also let's be serious here, Marbury doesn't make his teammates better, Nash does, Kidd does, Wade does, Baron more so than not, Iverson...a little, sometimes, but other times he makes them spectators. Francis, no, that's one thing a PG needs to do, make teammates better.

Who has wade made better? Same with Baron, who has he helped come along? Marbury is no where near kidd or nash in terms of running an offense, but he doesnt hurt a team and he has contributed to his teamates success as what baron or wade has. And francis helped yao alot last season by stepping aside and letting the show run through Ming.

All this hatred for certain players...Iverson, Marbury...

Kidd | Nash | Baron | Wade | Marbury | Arenas | Bibby | Iverson | Francis | Tinsley | Dre Miller | Billups | Hinrich | Rafer | Cassell | Parker | Claxton | Payton | McInnis | B.Knight

I hope thats not an ordered list of who you think are the best pg's in the nba..

[Jason Kidd.]

Kidd - He doesn't have the offensive skills like others, but he's got a great all-round game, is a great passer, leader, and a great defender

Kidd can average a 20 ppg,it's not bad.
Iverson don't have the shot either,but he jacks off so many shots-he get's his 30 points.
Kidd isn't a very good shooter,but he can take over the games.
One example: http://www.nba.com/games/20040104/NJNNYK/recap.html
Kidd is still best PG in a game no matter what,he makes the game look easy.Kidd makes everone better around him.
This year is exeption,he can't play his own level at the moment due an injury he had.

[J@3]

Kidd can average a 20 ppg,it's not bad.

Since when? The highest he's ever averaged is 18ppg. His career average is 14ppg.

Iverson don't have the shot either,but he jacks off

[Amphatoast]

One example: http://www.nba.com/games/20040104/NJNNYK/recap.html

11 out of 27....1 for 9 from 3pt range...game was exactly 1 year ago against charlie ward and moochie norris..

[Jason Kidd.]

lol @ Ae's quote.